From erratic at devel.ws Mon Dec 1 05:17:10 2008 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Mon Dec 1 05:21:16 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wifi SIP phone Message-ID: <5061b39c0812010517m3a623d13t1433f132f2f207db@mail.gmail.com> I used to use my dell axim x3, which ran linux but I didn't use linux on it because it was awful. Maybe you would have better luck with something like that than I did but sjphone ran on win mob last time I checked. sent from my gphone! On Nov 30, 2008 3:25 PM, "Paul Bartell" wrote: Can anyone vouch for a specific wifi based SIP phone as being a good one? -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081201/4ccb0bb6/attachment.html From bri at ifokr.org Mon Dec 1 20:14:01 2008 From: bri at ifokr.org (Brian Hatch) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:14:08 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] LinuxFest Northwest 2009 Message-ID: <20081202041401.GZ27429@ifokr.org> Interested in presenting, exhibiting, or just showing up for the fun and knowledge? LinuxFest Northwest is just around the corner! ----- Forwarded message from Adrian Klaver ----- From: Adrian Klaver Subject: LinuxFest Northwest 2009 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:34:50 -0800 To: "Klaver, Adrian" Just a reminder that LinuxFest Northwest 2009 is on the horizon. It will be held Saturday April 25th and Sunday April 26th at Bellingham Technical College, Bellingham, Washington. For more details see: http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ As always we are looking for Presenters,Exhibitors and Volunteers. Any help you could extend us in this area would be greatly appreciated. If this message has reached you in error, contact me at the email below and I will remove you from the contact list. Thank you, -- Adrian Klaver adrian@blug.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Brian Hatch Sendmail: the only software Systems and product with enough CERT Security Engineer advisories to outweigh http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ the Manhattan phone book. Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081201/dcc4d378/attachment.pgp From jtg at intarcorp.com Mon Dec 1 20:22:58 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:20:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] LinuxFest Northwest 2009 In-Reply-To: <20081202041401.GZ27429@ifokr.org> References: <20081202041401.GZ27429@ifokr.org> Message-ID: <1A3E5B3D-F3E3-4DF4-A09B-68B71244C2E3@intarcorp.com> An awfully large corner! On Dec 1, 2008, at 8:14 PM, Brian Hatch wrote: > Interested in presenting, exhibiting, or just showing up for the > fun and knowledge? LinuxFest Northwest is just around the corner! > > > ----- Forwarded message from Adrian Klaver ----- > > From: Adrian Klaver > Subject: LinuxFest Northwest 2009 > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:34:50 -0800 > To: "Klaver, Adrian" > > Just a reminder that LinuxFest Northwest 2009 is on the horizon. It > will be > held Saturday April 25th and Sunday April 26th at Bellingham Technical > College, Bellingham, Washington. For more details see: > > http://www.linuxfestnorthwest.org/ > > As always we are looking for Presenters,Exhibitors and Volunteers. > Any help > you could extend us in this area would be greatly appreciated. If this > message has reached you in error, contact me at the email below and > I will > remove you from the contact list. > > Thank you, > -- > Adrian Klaver > adrian@blug.org > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > > -- > Brian Hatch Sendmail: the only software > Systems and product with enough CERT > Security Engineer advisories to outweigh > http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ the Manhattan phone book. > > Every message PGP signed > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From frcaen at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 20:55:30 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Mon Dec 1 20:52:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wifi SIP phone In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0811301524hc3b0dc8pc2be81f2174ba47@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b5bab0f0811301524hc3b0dc8pc2be81f2174ba47@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840812012055t75641da0o4b04dd9f810d0941@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > Can anyone vouch for a specific wifi based SIP phone as being a good one? There is Siax, but I haven't tried it yet so can't vouch for it. -- Francois Caen From frcaen at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 22:41:30 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Mon Dec 1 22:38:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] linux administration In-Reply-To: <871075.13673.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <871075.13673.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840812012241u1b3103aam246d869af8932ba9@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:49 AM, Donald G wrote: > I have just had a frustrating time trying to install VM ware on my suse > linux machine. Hint: specify which product (VMWare makes a dozen) and which exact distro (2 SUSE, many versions,...) when asking for help. I've installed several products from VMWare on many different OSes and it always just worked... -- Francois Caen From frcaen at gmail.com Mon Dec 1 22:42:30 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Mon Dec 1 22:39:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] linux administration In-Reply-To: <58cfe2840812012241u1b3103aam246d869af8932ba9@mail.gmail.com> References: <871075.13673.qm@web57613.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <58cfe2840812012241u1b3103aam246d869af8932ba9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840812012242h5a6f92feycb3e505a1319f05b@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Francois Caen wrote: > I've installed several products from VMWare on many different OSes and > it always just worked... In all fairness, I should qualify that statement: it works if you have everything you need to compile the kernel module(s). -- Francois Caen From erratic at devel.ws Tue Dec 2 06:29:35 2008 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Tue Dec 2 06:26:16 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wifi SIP phone In-Reply-To: <58cfe2840812012055t75641da0o4b04dd9f810d0941@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b5bab0f0811301524hc3b0dc8pc2be81f2174ba47@mail.gmail.com> <58cfe2840812012055t75641da0o4b04dd9f810d0941@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5061b39c0812020629r1d2d173fxba72d5a50f24ac61@mail.gmail.com> Sorry my last email was kinda brain dead of me; - Sjphone for pocket pc (sjlabs.com/) - An axim might be kinda spendy, discontinued anyway. Since that's the case it could really go either way. Palm is a potential option, a google search for palm softphone or palm voip is bound to turn up something if sj phone isn't available for palm. Sjphone didn't cost anything when I ran it, probably doesn't now but you know you might wanna check. sent from my gphone! On Dec 1, 2008 8:55 PM, "Francois Caen" wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > Can anyone vouch fo... There is Siax, but I haven't tried it yet so can't vouch for it. -- Francois Caen _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org h... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081202/80d54c84/attachment.htm From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Dec 3 04:16:17 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Wed Dec 3 04:12:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] BerkeleyTIP Great progress VOIP November - Dec 6 = Improve VOIP Message-ID: <1228306577.15830.1288016305@webmail.messagingengine.com> We made GREAT progress with the November 1 meeting! :) I really can't believe how happy I am about it, & how far we advanced. We went from in September having no online attendees, to in October having 1 person remote on IRC, to in November having 7 people around the US all in a VOIP conference! It was _fantastic_! I was very impressed. I'm especially impressed with our online members, who basically took the info I had in the VOIP data page, & found a conference #, set up a conference, & got logged in, all while I was taking a short break! :) Besides two of us on VOIP in Berkeley, we had Oakland, San Fran, San Jose, Washington state, & North Carolina. Plus we had at least two other person on IRC who didn't have time to get on VOIP. It was so very enjoyable talking & listening to the guy in North Carolina - he had a _very_ strong southern accent, & I _rarely_ get to talk with someone with that accent. It was so fun knowing I was listening to someone who was _unmistakeably_ _not_ from the BayArea! We had a UCB student join us on IRC from one of the dorms - he'd seen the announcement I sent on the UCB SciPy list. This is all doubly exciting, because I _still_ didn't even get the announcements out until less than 24 hours before hand. Think how many more people might see the announcement in time to join us if I get it out 1 or two weeks ahead of time! Good progress is me getting _this_ announcement out about 3 weeks before the meeting to the BTIP groups. My goal is to get announcements to the "outside" mailing lists both this coming weekend (2 weeks) & the following weekend (1 week ahead). This will allow many more people to schedule the December 6 meeting into their schedules. :) =================== December 6 Progress Opportunities: Some things I might be doing: Getting announcements out for the first (or first advanced) time to Debian, GNU, FreeBSD, KDE, & maybe Ubuntu, Ekiga & Asterisk & 10 California LUG lists. Based on discussion that we didn't have a way to see a list of who was in the VOIP conference room, like in an IRC client, that is a possible target for the December Programming party. Maybe we can make some web ap that can do that? Or, some Python program which is like a IRC client for VOIP conference rooms? Perhaps we can modify the Ekiga sw? Also, I'll try to notify the Ekiga & Asterisk people about this, in case they'd like to help out. Discussion might be about K-Ubuntu 8.10. There's a new video from Christine Peterson about Open Source Environment Sensing. If you know of any new FSW videos, please email me or the list so I can put them on the BTIPG video page. Any comments or questions? Hope to see you in person in Berkeley, or VOIP conference with you all on Sat Dec 6. :) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 19:21:37 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:18:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] virtual box Message-ID: <671611.42684.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Does virtual box make a version for SLED 10.1? I only see the version for the server on their web site -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nonetheless, if you're interested in participating, read on. ----- Forwarded message from Bill Wright ----- From: Bill Wright Subject: [SLL] LFNW 2009 call for Presenters & Exhibitors Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:16:23 -0800 To: fest-list , blug list , linux-list Presenters and Exhibitors Online registration is now open for LinuxFest Northwest's 10th Anniversary Expo April 25th and 26th 2009 in Bellingham, Wash. http://linuxfestnorthwest.org Presenters register at: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/present.html Exhibitors register at: http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/exhibit.html see you there, Bill Wright bill@blug.org http://blug.org http://linuxfestnorthwest.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Brian Hatch "You don't get 'sysadmin day', you have Systems and your own holiday, network boy!" Security Engineer "What, the "Kick my ass because http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ I'm your bitch" day? --Jason and Casey Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081203/7fbc5d01/attachment.pgp From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Wed Dec 3 22:10:00 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Wed Dec 3 22:06:36 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] virtual box In-Reply-To: <671611.42684.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <671611.42684.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812032210j32263bb8w7d46fbb4967ede81@mail.gmail.com> Server and desktop might as well be considered the same, as they are binary compatible. When in doubt, try installing (your machine is not going to blow up) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Donald G wrote: > Does virtual box make a version for SLED 10.1? I only see the version for > the server on their web site > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From emeriz at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 00:26:20 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Fri Dec 5 00:22:56 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question Message-ID: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry to bug folks for this but I honestly don't know anyone else running Linux I can have test it for me. I get the same issues on both my laptop and server running Linux. I have a personal site hosted on go-daddy and was playing with the add-ons they have available and tried to go into their Hosting Connection forum at: https://forum.hostingmetropolis.com/user/categories.aspx I am running Firefox 3.04 (user agent - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111318 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.4) and keep getting the following error: Incompatible Browser: Mozilla 1.0.9 You are attempting to access the Forum using an unsupported browser. Only the following browsers are supported: * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later * FireFox 1.0 or later (same as Netscape 5.0 or later) They of course keep telling me the old stand by's of "Clear your Cache", "disable your plugins", "turn off your firewall", "turn off your anti-virus", blah, blah, blah. Kind of ironic actually. :) The last I heard from them they actually told me the issue was on my machine and and they don't support local machine issues. I added the user-agent-switcher extension to Firefox, changed my user agent to IE7 on Vista and voila, I got in without issues. I told them that a few times but apparently it didn't get through to them. The exact same version of firefox on XP also got in without issues. I just realized I forgot to try changing the user agent on XP to match the Ubuntu settings, but I will try that in the morning. So, to maker a long story short...if anyone is bored enough to point their browser to the link above and let me know if they get the same error I would appreciate it. Thanks, Anthony Chitwood -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk45aQACgkQNvFKpNoi/tueJwCdHiN2VkldcLCUWG6Z+K8404es f5IAnRBmo1iBCv5VH+fOh8d+Jrqh1bVR =cLYz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From erratic at devel.ws Fri Dec 5 06:44:41 2008 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Fri Dec 5 06:41:16 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Everyone: Please read and share your thoughtsonhow to improve GSLUG Message-ID: <5061b39c0812050644y1c278354w436b7844decfc9c5@mail.gmail.com> slug jobs was a cool list, I spose the fewer lists the better for some though... sent from my gphone! On Nov 17, 2008 8:16 PM, "james michael" wrote: Travis wrote: > > james michael wrote: >> >> Travis wrote: >>> >>> David wrote: >>>> >>>> How about ... Mobile devices are anything that can be easily brought places, laptops, smart phones, netbooks, palm devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_device _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081205/476d1e91/attachment.html From frcaen at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 07:30:46 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Fri Dec 5 07:27:16 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840812050730s16520a81rd89cb28f882594cc@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > So, to maker a long story short...if anyone is bored enough to point > their browser to the link above and let me know if they get the same > error I would appreciate it. Firefox 3 on Fedora 9. Same error. -- Francois Caen From heer at eskimo.com Fri Dec 5 08:33:29 2008 From: heer at eskimo.com (Nicholas Heer) Date: Fri Dec 5 08:37:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: I get the same error message on Debian 3.1 with both Mozilla and Konqueror, but Firefox works fine. Nicholas On Fri, 5 Dec 2008, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sorry to bug folks for this but I honestly don't know anyone else > running Linux I can have test it for me. I get the same issues on both > my laptop and server running Linux. > > I have a personal site hosted on go-daddy and was playing with the > add-ons they have available and tried to go into their Hosting > Connection forum at: > > https://forum.hostingmetropolis.com/user/categories.aspx > > > I am running Firefox 3.04 (user agent - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux > i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111318 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) > Firefox/3.0.4) and keep getting the following error: > > Incompatible Browser: Mozilla 1.0.9 > > You are attempting to access the Forum using an > unsupported browser. Only the following browsers are supported: > > * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later > * FireFox 1.0 or later (same as Netscape 5.0 or later) > > They of course keep telling me the old stand by's of "Clear your Cache", > "disable your plugins", "turn off your firewall", "turn off your > anti-virus", blah, blah, blah. Kind of ironic actually. :) The last I > heard from them they actually told me the issue was on my machine and > and they don't support local machine issues. > > I added the user-agent-switcher extension to Firefox, changed my user > agent to IE7 on Vista and voila, I got in without issues. I told them > that a few times but apparently it didn't get through to them. > > The exact same version of firefox on XP also got in without issues. I > just realized I forgot to try changing the user agent on XP to match the > Ubuntu settings, but I will try that in the morning. > > So, to maker a long story short...if anyone is bored enough to point > their browser to the link above and let me know if they get the same > error I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Anthony Chitwood > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkk45aQACgkQNvFKpNoi/tueJwCdHiN2VkldcLCUWG6Z+K8404es > f5IAnRBmo1iBCv5VH+fOh8d+Jrqh1bVR > =cLYz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From emeriz at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 08:49:14 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Fri Dec 5 08:45:31 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49395B8A.5090601@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicholas Heer wrote: > I get the same error message on Debian 3.1 with both Mozilla and > Konqueror, but Firefox works fine. > > Nicholas > Thanks guys. I was fairly certain but wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. Anthony -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5W4EACgkQNvFKpNoi/tuQPwCfXVqN1sQVPSREY7HtDpaoMRJi QoMAoKMtPe+Fu7QFWXkIl4JEJ9dqydjD =q9r7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andrew.kvalheim at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 08:56:58 2008 From: andrew.kvalheim at gmail.com (Andrew Kvalheim) Date: Fri Dec 5 08:53:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. Andrew On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 00:26, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Sorry to bug folks for this but I honestly don't know anyone else > running Linux I can have test it for me. I get the same issues on both > my laptop and server running Linux. > > I have a personal site hosted on go-daddy and was playing with the > add-ons they have available and tried to go into their Hosting > Connection forum at: > > https://forum.hostingmetropolis.com/user/categories.aspx > > > I am running Firefox 3.04 (user agent - Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux > i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111318 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) > Firefox/3.0.4) and keep getting the following error: > > Incompatible Browser: Mozilla 1.0.9 > > You are attempting to access the Forum using an > unsupported browser. Only the following browsers are supported: > > * Microsoft Internet Explorer 6.0 or later > * FireFox 1.0 or later (same as Netscape 5.0 or later) > > They of course keep telling me the old stand by's of "Clear your Cache", > "disable your plugins", "turn off your firewall", "turn off your > anti-virus", blah, blah, blah. Kind of ironic actually. :) The last I > heard from them they actually told me the issue was on my machine and > and they don't support local machine issues. > > I added the user-agent-switcher extension to Firefox, changed my user > agent to IE7 on Vista and voila, I got in without issues. I told them > that a few times but apparently it didn't get through to them. > > The exact same version of firefox on XP also got in without issues. I > just realized I forgot to try changing the user agent on XP to match the > Ubuntu settings, but I will try that in the morning. > > So, to maker a long story short...if anyone is bored enough to point > their browser to the link above and let me know if they get the same > error I would appreciate it. > > Thanks, > > Anthony Chitwood > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkk45aQACgkQNvFKpNoi/tueJwCdHiN2VkldcLCUWG6Z+K8404es > f5IAnRBmo1iBCv5VH+fOh8d+Jrqh1bVR > =cLYz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From emeriz at gmail.com Fri Dec 5 09:19:30 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Fri Dec 5 09:15:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> Andrew Kvalheim wrote: > No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; > en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. > > Andrew > Good to know, thanks. Its definitely an issue with them not liking Linux in the user-agent. I tested last night on XP with the user agent changed to the same as my Linux user-agent and it failed as well. I forwarded that to their support team expressing my "slight" displeasure with their handling of my concern etc.. and I got this a few minutes ago: "Due to its complex nature, your issue has been relayed to our Advanced Technical Support Team. Our most skilled technicians will be working to resolve your issue quickly and completely. You will be notified promptly upon resolution." We'll see, but again, thanks for all of the help. Anthony From crash at neg9.org Fri Dec 5 09:58:22 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Fri Dec 5 09:54:57 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340812050958x756640feg4ffb730dc88ee700@mail.gmail.com> I've ran in to this with another webapp, and I found that it was due to Firefox reporting itself as Netscape via Javascript. Run this to see what it says for you: javascript:alert(navigator.appName) (You can just put it in the address bar, credit: http://www.w3schools.com/js/js_browser.asp) I don't think that's exposed via the user agent at all, or via other headers normally, so perhaps they're just doing a check via javascript that isn't that great? Chances are that's the case. (This would also explain why changing your UA fixes it, when you do so (with the FF "User Agent Switcher addon anyways), navigator.appName is set to "Microsoft Internet Explorer") Hope that helps, feel free to share with the people at the site if need be. -Ian On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 09:19, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > > > Andrew Kvalheim wrote: >> No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; >> en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. >> >> Andrew >> > > Good to know, thanks. Its definitely an issue with them not liking > Linux in the user-agent. I tested last night on XP with the user agent > changed to the same as my Linux user-agent and it failed as well. I > forwarded that to their support team expressing my "slight" displeasure > with their handling of my concern etc.. and I got this a few minutes ago: > > "Due to its complex nature, your issue has been relayed to our Advanced > Technical Support Team. Our most skilled technicians will be working to > resolve your issue quickly and completely. You will be notified promptly > upon resolution." > > We'll see, but again, thanks for all of the help. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From steven_coles at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 14:43:47 2008 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Siyazini_Coles) Date: Fri Dec 5 14:40:20 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Slug Jobs In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0812050644y1c278354w436b7844decfc9c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <393351.29222.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Paige, Sorry. I'm not familiar with the Slug Jobs list. However, those seeking embedded C and embedded Linux employment do well to check with employers in the arc starting in Redmond and extending through Woodinville and Bothell to Lynnwood. Most have hiring freezes right now. But during a past recovery from an economic slump I received a response from a 14-month old resume. When seeking work in this area, you need to optimize your resume for the screening process. Many employers ask for ability with a high-priced UNIX derivative called ?Wind River VxWorks.? So a resume line needs to include something like, ?Linux integrated development environment similar to Wind River VxWorks.? The VxWorks shell has some punctuation differences from Linux. During my first encounter with it I had no shell background beyond a Small-C shell running on an Atari 520ST. But that was enough and turned out to be more valuable than anything I'd put on my resume. So if you know how to cross compile, link, and download to an embedded target (like a PIC, Freescale, etc microcontroller) you have more than I had when entering that employment environment. I'm not saying it's an easy job hunt. It isn't. But you can work on some nifty systems meeting worthwhile needs in transportation, medicine, and other applications. Good luck, Steven --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Paige Thompson wrote: From: Paige Thompson Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Everyone: Please read and share your thoughtsonhow to improve GSLUG To: "james michael" Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org Date: Friday, December 5, 2008, 6:44 AM slug jobs was a cool list, I spose the fewer lists the better for some though... sent from my gphone! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081205/e011ae4e/attachment.htm From m3047 at inwa.net Sat Dec 6 03:26:00 2008 From: m3047 at inwa.net (Fred Morris) Date: Sat Dec 6 03:23:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Slug Jobs In-Reply-To: <393351.29222.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <393351.29222.qm@web36403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200812060326.00647.m3047@inwa.net> That's some kind of embedded thing which landed on Mars. Where'm I working? If you're not an asshole, you need not apply. So most of you don't qualify... sorries! -- Fred, Ballard Chupacabra On Friday 05 December 2008 14:43, Siyazini_Coles wrote: > > [...] Many > employers ask for ability with a high-priced UNIX derivative called > ?Wind River VxWorks.? So a resume line needs to include > something like, ?Linux integrated development environment similar > to Wind River VxWorks.? From steven_coles at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 12:19:34 2008 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Siyazini_Coles) Date: Sat Dec 6 12:16:03 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Slug Jobs In-Reply-To: <200812060326.00647.m3047@inwa.net> Message-ID: <510737.22078.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Fred, I'm sorry you have such a crummy working environment. Naturally, there are different employers and different division cultures in different departments. The embedded hardware and software people I worked with at ATL, EKOS, and Physio Control are nice folks. I'd rather not name another where I could make a case for a mixed lot. But the majority were nice. I don't know why, but the medical-device companies I worked for had the nicest coworkers and managers. As my own skills run to the analog side, I came into very little competition with other employees. Steven --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Fred Morris wrote: From: Fred Morris Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Re: Slug Jobs To: Gslug-general@gslug.org Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 3:26 AM That's some kind of embedded thing which landed on Mars. Where'm I working? If you're not an asshole, you need not apply. So most of you don't qualify... sorries! -- Fred, Ballard Chupacabra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That might explain why different users get different results...? --Derek Anthony Chitwood wrote: > Andrew Kvalheim wrote: > >> No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; >> en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. >> >> Andrew >> >> > > Good to know, thanks. Its definitely an issue with them not liking > Linux in the user-agent. I tested last night on XP with the user agent > changed to the same as my Linux user-agent and it failed as well. I > forwarded that to their support team expressing my "slight" displeasure > with their handling of my concern etc.. and I got this a few minutes ago: > > "Due to its complex nature, your issue has been relayed to our Advanced > Technical Support Team. Our most skilled technicians will be working to > resolve your issue quickly and completely. You will be notified promptly > upon resolution." > > We'll see, but again, thanks for all of the help. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081206/9a1aa650/attachment.htm From emeriz at gmail.com Sat Dec 6 19:41:52 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Sat Dec 6 19:38:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> Message-ID: <493B4600.6070903@gmail.com> Derek Simkowiak wrote: > Anthony>/ Its definitely an issue with them not liking Linux in the > user-agent. / > > I don't know if they fixed it (thanks to your input), but I just > tried it and got in fine under Ubuntu 8.04 (using Firefox). > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061015 Firefox/3.0 > > > Another possible cause is your ISP. Some ISPs run caching proxies > (like Squid), and if they've configured it wrong (or done something > stupid) these proxies can mess things up. That might explain why > different users get different results...? > > --Derek > Thanks for trying it out, anything is possible at this point. I just tried it again and got the same results I did before. I tried it with the default user agent for Firefox 3.04 on Ubuntu 8.10 and it failed: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111318 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.4 Then I modified it to remove the Linux only portions and added the Vista values and it worked perfectly: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008111318 Firefox/3.0.4 So, while its always possible that Comcast is the one doing something strange, whatever it is seems to be triggered by whats in the user agent. Thanks again. Anthony From crash at neg9.org Sun Dec 7 00:40:45 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Sun Dec 7 00:37:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> Message-ID: <4b5c15340812070040p485b3732mfc6cd66e4fe50a1b@mail.gmail.com> The Squid possibility wouldn't work in this case, the site served via SSL, if they dared muck with that there would be a certificate mismatch for the site and the browser would have a fit. -Ian On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 13:01, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > Anthony> Its definitely an issue with them not liking Linux in the > user-agent. > > I don't know if they fixed it (thanks to your input), but I just tried > it and got in fine under Ubuntu 8.04 (using Firefox). > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061015 Firefox/3.0 > > > Another possible cause is your ISP. Some ISPs run caching proxies (like > Squid), and if they've configured it wrong (or done something stupid) these > proxies can mess things up. That might explain why different users get > different results...? > > --Derek > > Anthony Chitwood wrote: > > Andrew Kvalheim wrote: > > > No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; > en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. > > Andrew > > > > Good to know, thanks. Its definitely an issue with them not liking > Linux in the user-agent. I tested last night on XP with the user agent > changed to the same as my Linux user-agent and it failed as well. I > forwarded that to their support team expressing my "slight" displeasure > with their handling of my concern etc.. and I got this a few minutes ago: > > "Due to its complex nature, your issue has been relayed to our Advanced > Technical Support Team. Our most skilled technicians will be working to > resolve your issue quickly and completely. You will be notified promptly > upon resolution." > > We'll see, but again, thanks for all of the help. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From dave at pedaldynamics.com Sun Dec 7 16:06:12 2008 From: dave at pedaldynamics.com (Dave R) Date: Sun Dec 7 16:09:38 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] OT: Free linux, hacking, admin, computer books Message-ID: <1228694772.68924006@192.168.1.70> I have a bunch of my own personal computer books that I am giving away. Some of the books are well used with notes and writing in them. Most all of them are related to unix administration and programming. Pictures of the books here: [http://www.flickr.com/photos/thecoolrosmans/3087351911/sizes/o/] http://www.flickr.com/photos/thecoolrosmans/3087351911/sizes/o/ Books are all free on a first come first serve basis. The books are located in North Seattle. Email me off list if you are interested. Thanks, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081207/8a49dc28/attachment.html From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Mon Dec 8 01:35:18 2008 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Mon Dec 8 01:31:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] OT: Free linux, hacking, admin, computer books In-Reply-To: <1228694772.68924006@192.168.1.70> References: <1228694772.68924006@192.168.1.70> Message-ID: <20081208093518.GL23300@seattlefenix.net> * Dave R (dave@pedaldynamics.com) [081207 16:13]: > > I have a bunch of my own personal computer books that I am giving away. Some > of the books are well used with notes and writing in them. Most all of them > are related to unix administration and programming. > > Pictures of the books here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/thecoolrosmans/3087351911/sizes/o/ > > Books are all free on a first come first serve basis. The books are located in > North Seattle. > > Email me off list if you are interested. Hi Dave, Do you have any books left, and how do I go about picking some up if you do? -Benjamin Krueger From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Dec 8 06:20:27 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Dec 8 06:16:11 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] OT: Free linux, hacking, admin, computer books In-Reply-To: <20081208093518.GL23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <1228694772.68924006@192.168.1.70> <20081208093518.GL23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <493D2D2B.2030404@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dereks at realloc.net Mon Dec 8 12:55:43 2008 From: dereks at realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Mon Dec 8 12:52:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] OT: Free linux, hacking, admin, computer books In-Reply-To: <20081208174827.GM23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <1228694772.68924006@192.168.1.70> <20081208093518.GL23300@seattlefenix.net> <493D2D2B.2030404@gmail.com> <20081208174827.GM23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <493D89CF.8080605@realloc.net> /But thanks for Ccing the rest of gslug to remind me not to Cc the rest of gslug./ I, for one, would like to thank you both for thrice cc:ing gslug, and triggering what is sure to be an amusing cc: shitstorm during the next few hours. As on-topic aside to this off-topic thread, if Dave (or anyone else) has free books to give away, LinuxFest Northwest is coming up in April, and Linux books make great raffle prizes. If you're interested in donating stuff to LFNW, please contact me -- dare I say it? -- off-list, and I'll coordinate getting it delivered to one of the official LFNW organizers (like Adrian, Brian, whoever...). --Derek Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * james michael (jamesthefishy@gmail.com) [081208 06:19]: > >> Reminder: Please request off-list meaning don't cc gslug. >> > > Hit the wrong reply key in mutt by accident. But thanks for Ccing the rest of gslug to remind me not to Cc the rest of gslug. > > -Benjamin. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm willing to bring cupcakes again this month, but my wallet takes a hit when I buy a dozen of those. If you would like some this time around let me know, dollar donation would be appreciated :) If anyone wants something else let me know. If I get enough requests for a certain food, I'm willing to pick up Pizza or whatever people want before hand and just throw some money at me when I get there. Anyone willing to chat about LDAP administration? -Ahmed Osman On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 8:50 PM, ross jones wrote: > I wanted to know if there was going to be a meeting this month. > > I am new to Linux and thinking of swithch my home PC to ubuntu so I would > like to get as much information as I can before I launch on this process. > > Thanks, > Ross Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081209/83cd7934/attachment.htm From mark at foster.cc Wed Dec 10 10:44:16 2008 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:40:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49400E00.7020507@foster.cc> Ahmed Osman wrote: > I'm hoping there will be a meeting. > I'm willing to bring cupcakes again this month, but my wallet takes a > hit when I buy a dozen of those. If you would like some this time > around let me know, dollar donation would be appreciated :) > If anyone wants something else let me know. If I get enough requests > for a certain food, I'm willing to pick up Pizza or whatever people > want before hand and just throw some money at me when I get there. > > Anyone willing to chat about LDAP administration? > Hoping to attend also, not sure yet. I don't think we have a confirmed location? Is widemile willing to host the meeting again & ongoing. In any case, the meeting signup page is here: http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 Is there any interest in a gslug-organizers meeting or list? -- Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google search. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 10:56:02 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:48:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? References: Message-ID: ross jones wrote: >> I wanted to know if there was going to be a meeting this month. >> >> I am new to Linux and thinking of swithch my home PC to ubuntu so I >> would like to get as much information as I can before I launch on >> this process. I would like to learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there anything I need to do prior to the meeting? -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Dec 10 10:53:21 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Dec 10 10:49:46 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <49400E00.7020507@foster.cc> References: <49400E00.7020507@foster.cc> Message-ID: <893823750812101053k78424118y3989740abd8c947f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > I don't think we have a confirmed location? Is widemile willing to host the > meeting again & ongoing. We probably could. We have the company Christmas party that evening so the board may be in town and meeting though, I'd have to check. However I have a bicycle race later that afternoon, so the meeting would have to be shorter than usual if it were here. So for that particular day on this amount of notice it's best to look elsewhere. Again, with this short notice, it probably wouldn't be a big meeting so I'd plan on a cafe. OCC on capitol hill [1] worked great for us for Seattle Wireless meetings before we moved to the Metrix office. The have lots of room, outlets, and free wifi as long "as you buy a coffee". Bring power strips though. They had no problem with us moving tables together in the past. The Vita location nearby [2] also has the large upstairs. While it's more hip than OCC, it's not as convienient. [1] http://www.onlinecoffeeco.com/locations/3/ [2] http://www.caffevita.com/index.php?page=capitol_hill > Is there any interest in a gslug-organizers meeting or list? I think the list membership is small enough one could chat about it here. Although you're likely to create another long tread of dissenting opinions like the last location thread. So yeah. Politics, yay! Bryan From crash at neg9.org Wed Dec 10 12:36:55 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Wed Dec 10 12:33:18 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <893823750812101053k78424118y3989740abd8c947f@mail.gmail.com> References: <49400E00.7020507@foster.cc> <893823750812101053k78424118y3989740abd8c947f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340812101236qc20e8ebvb0a097a22c9e0b3d@mail.gmail.com> I agree with Bryan, and would suggest Online Coffee Co. on capitol hill (14th and Pine) - as he said it works well for this sort of thing. I'm heading out to climb a mountain in Mexico tomorrow morning, and will be gone until Christmas, so I'm not available to help in organizing things this time around. I hope it goes well though! -Ian On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:53, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> I don't think we have a confirmed location? Is widemile willing to host the >> meeting again & ongoing. > > We probably could. We have the company Christmas party that evening so > the board may be in town and meeting though, I'd have to check. > > However I have a bicycle race later that afternoon, so the meeting > would have to be shorter than usual if it were here. So for that > particular day on this amount of notice it's best to look elsewhere. > > Again, with this short notice, it probably wouldn't be a big meeting > so I'd plan on a cafe. OCC on capitol hill [1] worked great for us for > Seattle Wireless meetings before we moved to the Metrix office. The > have lots of room, outlets, and free wifi as long "as you buy a > coffee". Bring power strips though. They had no problem with us moving > tables together in the past. The Vita location nearby [2] also has the > large upstairs. While it's more hip than OCC, it's not as convienient. > > [1] http://www.onlinecoffeeco.com/locations/3/ > [2] http://www.caffevita.com/index.php?page=capitol_hill > >> Is there any interest in a gslug-organizers meeting or list? > > I think the list membership is small enough one could chat about it > here. Although you're likely to create another long tread of > dissenting opinions like the last location thread. So yeah. Politics, > yay! > > Bryan > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From mark at foster.cc Thu Dec 11 07:51:15 2008 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Dec 11 07:47:41 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340812101236qc20e8ebvb0a097a22c9e0b3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <49400E00.7020507@foster.cc> <893823750812101053k78424118y3989740abd8c947f@mail.gmail.com> <4b5c15340812101236qc20e8ebvb0a097a22c9e0b3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <494136F3.7070805@foster.cc> Ian Gallagher wrote: > I agree with Bryan, and would suggest Online Coffee Co. on capitol > hill (14th and Pine) - as he said it works well for this sort of > thing. > > I'm heading out to climb a mountain in Mexico tomorrow morning, and > will be gone until Christmas, so I'm not available to help in > organizing things this time around. I hope it goes well though! > > Sounds fun Ian! Does either OCC or Vita have a projection system or whiteboard? We still need some lightning talks. -- Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google search. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From btm at loftninjas.org Thu Dec 11 09:22:51 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:19:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? Message-ID: <49414c70.1f538c0a.4c2f.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> No, they don't. Just regular coffee shops that happen to have a lot of seats. OCC does have beer though. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Foster Does either OCC or Vita have a projection system or whiteboard? We still need some lightning talks. From sweetandy at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 09:27:42 2008 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Thu Dec 11 09:24:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <49414c70.1f538c0a.4c2f.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> References: <49414c70.1f538c0a.4c2f.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <78613fe30812110927o70ef387fq185171bb4ea1cca@mail.gmail.com> Remember, though: alcohol and root do not mix! ; ) Have fun, guys, I don't think I'll be able to make this one. On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > No, they don't. Just regular coffee shops that happen to have a lot of > seats. > > OCC does have beer though. ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Foster > > Does either OCC or Vita have a projection system or whiteboard? > > We still need some lightning talks. > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081211/e2f307c0/attachment.html From ryanc at greengrey.org Thu Dec 11 17:06:44 2008 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Thu Dec 11 17:03:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081212010644.GA29013@greengrey.org> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 10:29:05PM -0800, Ahmed Osman wrote: | I'm willing to bring cupcakes again this month, but my wallet takes a hit | when I buy a dozen of those. If you would like some this time around let me | know, dollar donation would be appreciated :) I'll bring you two. | Anyone willing to chat about LDAP administration? It's been a couple of years, but sure. From haircut at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 21:17:20 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:13:39 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] adding gridlines to an image Message-ID: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Dear Lazyweb, Are there any Gimp/ImageMagick/Inkscape/whatever experts on this list that wouldn't mind adding gridlines to this image? http://tinyurl.com/6juoq6 The gridlines should be black, horizontal and vertical, as thin as possible, and at the edges of the blocks in the image. And if you do, would you mind describing how it was done? -- Adam Monsen From haircut at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 21:25:41 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:22:00 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: adding gridlines to an image In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ebd65110812112125y7636b5e0w795d37b5b21a8400@mail.gmail.com> I guess I should give a clue as to what this is for. It's for a "hack" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_hack ). Here's the last one we did: http://flickr.com/photos/meonkeys/3069541414/ Tannenbaum will be speaking tomorrow; we thought we'd welcome him with a little post-it artwork of the Minix logo. The image with gridlines will be a reference guide while we set up the post-its. Speaking of great hacks, search for "pigeon" on this page: http://tinyurl.com/5fl8bj . May or may not be true, but in any case, would be amazing if it actually worked/works. Ok, sorry if all this was way offtopic, but I figure Minix, post-it murals, and The Gimp are fairly relevant to at least some folks on the list. :) Best, -Adam -- Adam Monsen From bri at ifokr.org Thu Dec 11 21:26:14 2008 From: bri at ifokr.org (Brian Hatch) Date: Thu Dec 11 21:26:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <78613fe30812110927o70ef387fq185171bb4ea1cca@mail.gmail.com> References: <49414c70.1f538c0a.4c2f.ffff9dbb@mx.google.com> <78613fe30812110927o70ef387fq185171bb4ea1cca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081212052614.GI16696@ifokr.org> Just about 2008-12-11 09:27 -0800, Andrew Gray ennunciated: > Remember, though: alcohol and root do not mix! ; ) Hmmn - along the lines of Google's "Mail Goggles", someone should code up a sudo option for "Sudo googles". $ sudo rm -i * WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING Your command 'rm *' expanded to 'rm -i -rf ...' because you didn't notice that file named '-rf' in this directory. You probably don't want to do this, dude. WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING If you really want to run this command, please answer the following unix trivia: What does the unix command 'dd' stand for? -- Brian Hatch "That'd the the 'hardware Systems and turbo-charged lipstick on Security Engineer a pig' option." http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ --mjr on hardware PCRE. Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081211/b3142a9e/attachment.pgp From lee.colleton at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 22:20:38 2008 From: lee.colleton at gmail.com (Lee Colleton) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:16:59 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] adding gridlines to an image In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59c88c4d0812112220r7ffeceeake47573cafe5f556f@mail.gmail.com> http://lee.colleton.net/images/minixlogoultraoe8-grid.png In the Gimp, right click on an image to bring up the menu. Select Filters > Render > Pattern > Grid Adjust the sizing of the grid as necessary. You may have to break the link under offset to line up the grid just so. Cheers, Lee On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 21:17, Adam Monsen wrote: > Dear Lazyweb, > > Are there any Gimp/ImageMagick/Inkscape/whatever experts on this list > that wouldn't mind adding gridlines to this image? > > http://tinyurl.com/6juoq6 > > The gridlines should be black, horizontal and vertical, as thin as > possible, and at the edges of the blocks in the image. > > And if you do, would you mind describing how it was done? > > -- > Adam Monsen > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From chronomex at gmail.com Thu Dec 11 22:18:04 2008 From: chronomex at gmail.com (Duncan S) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:41:52 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] adding gridlines to an image In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: > Dear Lazyweb, You got that right. > Are there any Gimp/ImageMagick/Inkscape/whatever experts on this list > that wouldn't mind adding gridlines to this image? http://students.washington.edu/f/trf/lines.png Gimp: Filter -> Render -> Pattern -> Grid Play with the parameters until you hit it on the head (offset 0,0, size 20,20). -- Duncan esmtp isn't working, damnit. I hate webmail. From jnicol at bluegecko.net Thu Dec 11 22:53:26 2008 From: jnicol at bluegecko.net (Jonathan Nicol) Date: Thu Dec 11 22:49:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] adding gridlines to an image In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <501C410A-91F1-49AF-8204-B0C08E75118C@bluegecko.net> OK, I was bored :) #!/bin/bash increment=20; xstop=500; ystop=580; for ((pos=$increment; pos <= $xstop; ((pos += $increment)) )); do convert minixlogoultraoe8.png -strokewidth 1 -draw "line $pos,0 $pos, 600" minixlogoultraoe8.png; done; for ((pos=$increment; pos <= $ystop; (( pos += $increment)) )); do convert minixlogoultraoe8.png -strokewidth 1 -draw "line 0,$pos 520,$pos" minixlogoultraoe8.png; done; Jonathan On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Adam Monsen wrote: > Dear Lazyweb, > > Are there any Gimp/ImageMagick/Inkscape/whatever experts on this list > that wouldn't mind adding gridlines to this image? > > http://tinyurl.com/6juoq6 > > The gridlines should be black, horizontal and vertical, as thin as > possible, and at the edges of the blocks in the image. > > And if you do, would you mind describing how it was done? > > -- > Adam Monsen > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From andrew at sweger.net Fri Dec 12 01:23:22 2008 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri Dec 12 01:43:22 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] group meeting this Sat? In-Reply-To: <20081212052614.GI16696@ifokr.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Brian Hatch wrote: > Hmmn - along the lines of Google's "Mail Goggles", someone should > code up a sudo option for "Sudo googles". > > $ sudo rm -i * > WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING > Your command 'rm *' expanded to 'rm -i -rf ...' because you > didn't notice that file named '-rf' in this directory. > You probably don't want to do this, dude. > WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING I'm simply shocked I've never come across this before. But now I'm pretty sure someone I know is going to suddenly come across it in the near future. Muhwhuawhuaha Ha! -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From haircut at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 07:05:53 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Fri Dec 12 07:02:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] adding gridlines to an image In-Reply-To: <501C410A-91F1-49AF-8204-B0C08E75118C@bluegecko.net> References: <9ebd65110812112117w6bfc79c7qf8c05b692b51b4e1@mail.gmail.com> <501C410A-91F1-49AF-8204-B0C08E75118C@bluegecko.net> Message-ID: <9ebd65110812120705n3a7e5b7at6ceed8bbd98fb47e@mail.gmail.com> Rock on! Thanks, Jonathan, Lee, and Duncan. I'll post the finished product to my Flickr photostream. -- Adam Monsen From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 11:49:24 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:42:32 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] 12/13/2008 meeting Message-ID: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> Is this correct? If not where/when? http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 11:54:38 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:47:25 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] meeting Message-ID: <17F50998895042B19A326E28D180BDCC@EeePC> I asked this on December 10th but didn't hear anything yet."I would like to learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there anything I need to do prior to the meeting?"-- Travis in Shoreline Washington From ashex at chipnick.com Fri Dec 12 11:53:51 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Fri Dec 12 11:50:23 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] meeting In-Reply-To: <17F50998895042B19A326E28D180BDCC@EeePC> References: <17F50998895042B19A326E28D180BDCC@EeePC> Message-ID: <816211964-1229111636-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083985544-@bxe340.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Hey Travis, I saw the email but forgot to respond. I would recommend installing build-essential package along with subversion -ahmed Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: "Travis" Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:54:38 To: gslug Subject: [Gslug-general] meeting I asked this on December 10th but didn't hear anything yet."I would like to learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there anything I need to do prior to the meeting?"-- Travis in Shoreline Washington _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From erratic at devel.ws Fri Dec 12 12:36:58 2008 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Fri Dec 12 12:33:16 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wifi SIP phone In-Reply-To: <5061b39c0812020629r1d2d173fxba72d5a50f24ac61@mail.gmail.com> References: <2b5bab0f0811301524hc3b0dc8pc2be81f2174ba47@mail.gmail.com> <58cfe2840812012055t75641da0o4b04dd9f810d0941@mail.gmail.com> <5061b39c0812020629r1d2d173fxba72d5a50f24ac61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5061b39c0812121236r65b451f9lc9007e8c883cdc7f@mail.gmail.com> Belki wifi phone for skype - 129 reg price 50 instant savings 20 mail in rebate : $60 @ fry's sent from my gphone! On Dec 2, 2008 6:29 AM, "Paige Thompson" wrote: Sorry my last email was kinda brain dead of me; - Sjphone for pocket pc (sjlabs.com/) - An axim might be kinda spendy, discontinued anyway. Since that's the case it could really go either way. Palm is a potential option, a google search for palm softphone or palm voip is bound to turn up something if sj phone isn't available for palm. Sjphone didn't cost anything when I ran it, probably doesn't now but you know you might wanna check. sent from my gphone! On Dec 1, 2008 8:55 PM, "Francois Caen" wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > Can anyone vouch fo... There is Siax, but I haven't tried it yet so can't vouch for it. -- Francois Caen _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org h... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Paige Thompson wrote: > Belki wifi phone for skype - 129 reg price 50 instant savings 20 mail in > rebate : $60 @ fry's > > sent from my gphone! > > On Dec 2, 2008 6:29 AM, "Paige Thompson" wrote: > > Sorry my last email was kinda brain dead of me; > > - Sjphone for pocket pc (sjlabs.com/) > - An axim might be kinda spendy, discontinued anyway. Since that's the case > it could really go either way. > > Palm is a potential option, a google search for palm softphone or palm voip > is bound to turn up something if sj phone isn't available for palm. > > Sjphone didn't cost anything when I ran it, probably doesn't now but you > know you might wanna check. > sent from my gphone! > > On Dec 1, 2008 8:55 PM, "Francois Caen" wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Paul Bartell > wrote: > Can anyone vouch fo... > > There is Siax, but I haven't tried it yet so can't vouch for it. > > -- > Francois Caen > > _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org h... > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From btm at loftninjas.org Fri Dec 12 13:43:51 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:40:11 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] 12/13/2008 meeting In-Reply-To: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> References: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> Message-ID: <893823750812121343q1b01cdb5xfdba6cbd9b15a1fd@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis wrote: > Is this correct? If not where/when? > > http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 >From the history [1] I'm assuming 'Nate Sullivan' has set up space at Isilon. I would probably trust that, it'd be nice if whoever set up the space would confirm this on list. I will not be attending and I haven't heard from the other organizers. [1] http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php?title=Meeting_2008-12-13&action=history From btm at loftninjas.org Fri Dec 12 13:40:08 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Fri Dec 12 13:43:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] meeting In-Reply-To: <17F50998895042B19A326E28D180BDCC@EeePC> References: <17F50998895042B19A326E28D180BDCC@EeePC> Message-ID: <893823750812121340x1617e759idf8ff7f1b996fb6e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Travis wrote: > I asked this on December 10th but didn't hear anything yet."I would like to > learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there > anything I need to do prior to the meeting?"-- Travis in Shoreline It depends what you're looking to do. If you wanted to build apache from the ubuntu packaging per se, it would be something like: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot mkdir ~/src cd ~/src apt-get source apache sudo apt-get build-dep apache cd apache-* dpkg-buildpackage cd .. dpkg -i something.deb This seems silly until you use it to build and install a package from a newer source, like create: # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jaunty.src.sources.list deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted universe multiverse sudo apt-get update Then when you run 'apt-get source package', it will grab the latest source apt knows about. you can list these with 'apt-cache showsrc package' and get a specific version with 'apt-get source package=version'. I use this often for grabbing package sources from debian lenny, debian sid, and ubuntu jaunty on ubuntu intrepid machines. If you going to compile a package from upstream source, like getting apache from [1] you'll need to look in the particular source tarball for dependencies and instructions. Like cd /tmp wget http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/apache_1.3.41.tar.gz tar -xvzf apache_1.3.41.tar.gz cd apache_1.3.41 less INSTALL Which lists the build instructions as: $ ./configure --prefix=PREFIX $ make $ make install $ PREFIX/bin/apachectl start This is different for every piece of software, but lots of tools like autoconf, make, etc are pretty standard. In the above example I recommend setting PREFIX to /usr/local, and I further recommend being very careful about using hand compiled software because it is more difficult to tell where it installed files to and how to uninstall it than when using packaging. Bryan [1] http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/ From steven_coles at yahoo.com Fri Dec 12 14:18:07 2008 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Siyazini_Coles) Date: Fri Dec 12 14:14:29 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Editing, Compiling, Linking, Loading C++ Questions, was: meeting In-Reply-To: <893823750812121340x1617e759idf8ff7f1b996fb6e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <705268.43620.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bryan et al, , For someone who hasn't done C in a dozen years (and never C++), what are the best tools for editing, compiling, assembling, linking, loading C++ under Ubuntu 8.04 and 8.10? Mandriva? Puppy? Damn Small Linux? I'd like to know for three targets: PC Launching the object from BASH, ditto from Gnome, and PIC. For future reference launching the compiled program under KDE would also be nice. Have these functions now been combined under an IDE (integrated development environment)? It's really been too long! What's the correct terminology? Thank you, Steven --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Bryan McLellan wrote: From: Bryan McLellan Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] meeting To: "Travis" Cc: "gslug" Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 1:40 PM On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Travis wrote: > I asked this on December 10th but didn't hear anything yet."I would like to > learn to "compile from source" on Ubuntu 8.10. Is there > anything I need to do prior to the meeting?"-- Travis in Shoreline It depends what you're looking to do. If you wanted to build apache from the ubuntu packaging per se, it would be something like: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot mkdir ~/src cd ~/src apt-get source apache sudo apt-get build-dep apache cd apache-* dpkg-buildpackage cd .. dpkg -i something.deb This seems silly until you use it to build and install a package from a newer source, like create: # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jaunty.src.sources.list deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jaunty main restricted universe multiverse sudo apt-get update Then when you run 'apt-get source package', it will grab the latest source apt knows about. you can list these with 'apt-cache showsrc package' and get a specific version with 'apt-get source package=version'. I use this often for grabbing package sources from debian lenny, debian sid, and ubuntu jaunty on ubuntu intrepid machines. If you going to compile a package from upstream source, like getting apache from [1] you'll need to look in the particular source tarball for dependencies and instructions. Like cd /tmp wget http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/apache_1.3.41.tar.gz tar -xvzf apache_1.3.41.tar.gz cd apache_1.3.41 less INSTALL Which lists the build instructions as: $ ./configure --prefix=PREFIX $ make $ make install $ PREFIX/bin/apachectl start This is different for every piece of software, but lots of tools like autoconf, make, etc are pretty standard. In the above example I recommend setting PREFIX to /usr/local, and I further recommend being very careful about using hand compiled software because it is more difficult to tell where it installed files to and how to uninstall it than when using packaging. Bryan [1] http://archive.apache.org/dist/httpd/ _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081212/40f06048/attachment.htm From mark at foster.cc Fri Dec 12 15:44:51 2008 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Fri Dec 12 15:41:12 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] 12/13/2008 meeting In-Reply-To: <893823750812121343q1b01cdb5xfdba6cbd9b15a1fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> <893823750812121343q1b01cdb5xfdba6cbd9b15a1fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4942F773.8010701@foster.cc> Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis wrote: > >> Is this correct? If not where/when? >> >> http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 >> > > >From the history [1] I'm assuming 'Nate Sullivan' has set up space at > Isilon. I would probably trust that, it'd be nice if whoever set up > the space would confirm this on list. I will not be attending and I > haven't heard from the other organizers. > > So who is going to run the meeting? -- Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google search. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 19:14:27 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Dec 12 19:07:09 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] 12/13/2008 meeting References: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> <893823750812121343q1b01cdb5xfdba6cbd9b15a1fd@mail.gmail.com> <4942F773.8010701@foster.cc> Message-ID: Mark Foster wrote: > Bryan McLellan wrote: >> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Travis >> wrote: >>> Is this correct? If not where/when? >>> >>> http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 >>> >> >>> From the history [1] I'm assuming 'Nate Sullivan' has set up space >>> at >> Isilon. I would probably trust that, it'd be nice if whoever set up >> the space would confirm this on list. I will not be attending and I >> haven't heard from the other organizers. >> >> > So who is going to run the meeting? I'm assuming that given the hour (7:10 PM) on Friday night and no one has said anything about a meeting since the discussion about a venue on Capitol Hill of a couple of days ago that there will be no meeting tomorrow. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From chronomex at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 19:43:54 2008 From: chronomex at gmail.com (Duncan Smith) Date: Fri Dec 12 19:38:51 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] 12/13/2008 meeting In-Reply-To: References: <96AAAAD2D8C14EE2AB4302E1213CEEEC@EeePC> <893823750812121343q1b01cdb5xfdba6cbd9b15a1fd@mail.gmail.com> <4942F773.8010701@foster.cc> Message-ID: <20081213034352.GC11994@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 07:14:27PM -0800, Travis wrote: > I'm assuming that given the hour (7:10 PM) on Friday night and no > one has said anything about a meeting since the discussion about a > venue on Capitol Hill of a couple of days ago that there will be no > meeting tomorrow. 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Belay that. Someone tells me it'll be at Isilon starting at noon. Isilon Systems 3101 Western Ave Seattle Wa, 98121 Failing that, I may trek down to Capitol Hill. -- .oO0Oo. O _-_ O _____ O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith O /__ __\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 O - O +-----+ ??OOO?? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081212/21d3b90b/attachment.pgp From nano2x at gmail.com Fri Dec 12 20:31:06 2008 From: nano2x at gmail.com (NaNO2x) Date: Fri Dec 12 20:27:24 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting 2008-12-13 Message-ID: <7609d1ab0812122031sb11e1c5qb5c3f3063199c522@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Sorry for the short notice but we have been trying to obtain a meeting room for quite a while now. This has been accomplished and there will be a meeting tomorrow the 13th. More information can be found at the site: http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 We still are in need of some speakers so if you have something to present please add your name to the list. I apologize for the short notice, hopefully next month we can get the ball rolling a bit sooner. Thank you everyone for helping out and participating. -William Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant. From ryanc at greengrey.org Fri Dec 12 23:58:26 2008 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Fri Dec 12 23:54:51 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting 2008-12-13 In-Reply-To: <7609d1ab0812122031sb11e1c5qb5c3f3063199c522@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0812122031sb11e1c5qb5c3f3063199c522@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081213075826.GA20497@greengrey.org> On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 08:31:06PM -0800, NaNO2x wrote: | site: http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 | | We still are in need of some speakers so if you have something to | present please add your name to the list. I apologize for the short | notice, hopefully next month we can get the ball rolling a bit sooner. | Thank you everyone for helping out and participating. I signed up earlier today to give the Kerberos talk I agreed to do at last month's meeting. With such late notice, however, it seems as there might be more people interested in the Online Coffee venue? I'm done for the evening after I wrap up this email, but will be checking in in the morning while I finish up things for the talk. I'll see if by then if there is a consensus over the "official" location (Isilon) or the group-decided-by-necessity location (Cafe). Regardless of the location, I'd be interested in a PGP key exchange. later. ryanc -- Ryan Corder || () ASCII ribbon campaign || /\ against HTML email http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CB59D69 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My 2 cents, David Malouf --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Ryan Corder wrote: From: Ryan Corder Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Meeting 2008-12-13 To: "NaNO2x" Cc: "GSLUG" Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 11:58 PM On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 08:31:06PM -0800, NaNO2x wrote: | site: http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-12-13 | | We still are in need of some speakers so if you have something to | present please add your name to the list. I apologize for the short | notice, hopefully next month we can get the ball rolling a bit sooner. | Thank you everyone for helping out and participating. I signed up earlier today to give the Kerberos talk I agreed to do at last month's meeting. With such late notice, however, it seems as there might be more people interested in the Online Coffee venue? I'm done for the evening after I wrap up this email, but will be checking in in the morning while I finish up things for the talk. I'll see if by then if there is a consensus over the "official" location (Isilon) or the group-decided-by-necessity location (Cafe). Regardless of the location, I'd be interested in a PGP key exchange. later. ryanc -- Ryan Corder || () ASCII ribbon campaign || /\ against HTML email http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CB59D69 _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Foster) Date: Sun Dec 14 11:35:08 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] January 10th meeting Message-ID: <494560C3.3020105@foster.cc> The page for the January 10th meeting is now up. http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2009-01-10 The Isilon room was quite nice and they've graciously offered to host us again. Kudos to them and everyone else who helped/attended the meeting yesterday. -- Said one park ranger, 'There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.' Mark D. Foster, CISSP http://mark.foster.cc/ From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 14 23:14:58 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Sun Dec 14 23:11:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux Message-ID: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know if Lenovo is using linux on their notebook machines??? I bought the T61 with Suse Linux but their web site doesn't say that Lenovo is using Linux anymore.? 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Regards, -- Conrad Meyer From jarod at wilsonet.com Mon Dec 15 07:54:59 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 15 07:47:41 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> Message-ID: <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:21 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Sunday 14 December 2008 11:14:58 pm Donald G wrote: > > Does anyone know if Lenovo is using linux on their notebook machines? I > > bought the T61 with Suse Linux but their web site doesn't say that Lenovo > > is using Linux anymore. Does Lenovo use anything else besides Windows? > > I believe they recently stopped selling laptops with linux on them. Hrm, so it would seem. At least, when I bought my T61 about a year ago, there was a SLED10 pre-installed system option. The T500 has since replaced the T61 in their model lineup and no such SLED option. Of course, I didn't actually *buy* the SLED system, because they wouldn't let you choose the 802.11n wifi card (because SLED didn't support it at the time), so I wound up getting one with Vista on it, which I nuked in favor of my distro of choice. Lack of support for the latest hardware could actually be one reason there's no SLED pre-install option anymore, maybe it'll reappear after the next SLE{S,D} release. Note that I believe Lenovo *does* still sell systems with Linux on them to markets outside the US, at least for their IdeaPad S10 netbook line. (I'd love to get an S10 if I didn't already have an Acer Aspire One). --jarod From pencil_pusher at hotmail.com Mon Dec 15 09:46:25 2008 From: pencil_pusher at hotmail.com (David Hamilton) Date: Mon Dec 15 09:42:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: Newegg has the Lenovo S10 for sale. Gift the A1 to family/friends and spread some more fedora love around. And, while funds last, today Newegg has 15% off for anything paid with Paypal. > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux > From: jarod@wilsonet.com > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:54:59 -0500 > > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:21 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > On Sunday 14 December 2008 11:14:58 pm Donald G wrote: > > > Does anyone know if Lenovo is using linux on their notebook machines? I > > > bought the T61 with Suse Linux but their web site doesn't say that Lenovo > > > is using Linux anymore. Does Lenovo use anything else besides Windows? > > > > I believe they recently stopped selling laptops with linux on them. > > Hrm, so it would seem. At least, when I bought my T61 about a year ago, > there was a SLED10 pre-installed system option. The T500 has since > replaced the T61 in their model lineup and no such SLED option. > > Of course, I didn't actually *buy* the SLED system, because they > wouldn't let you choose the 802.11n wifi card (because SLED didn't > support it at the time), so I wound up getting one with Vista on it, > which I nuked in favor of my distro of choice. Lack of support for the > latest hardware could actually be one reason there's no SLED pre-install > option anymore, maybe it'll reappear after the next SLE{S,D} release. > > Note that I believe Lenovo *does* still sell systems with Linux on them > to markets outside the US, at least for their IdeaPad S10 netbook line. > (I'd love to get an S10 if I didn't already have an Acer Aspire One). > > --jarod > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081215/48ac2870/attachment.html From thushw at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:17:28 2008 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:13:46 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520812151017m3387b27el178d9bcae0494471@mail.gmail.com> i've put ubuntu on lenovo (forgot model now). i had to ndiswrap the wireless, and tinker around for drivers and such for bigdesktop. i wan't happy about power mgt. hibernation did not seem to work well. but that is the only notebook that i've used with linux extensively so i can't make any objective comparison. thanks, thushara On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:46 AM, David Hamilton wrote: > Newegg has the Lenovo S10 for sale. Gift the A1 to family/friends and > spread some more fedora love around. And, while funds last, today Newegg > has 15% off for anything paid with Paypal. > > > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux > > From: jarod@wilsonet.com > > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:54:59 -0500 > > > > > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:21 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > On Sunday 14 December 2008 11:14:58 pm Donald G wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if Lenovo is using linux on their notebook machines? > I > > > > bought the T61 with Suse Linux but their web site doesn't say that > Lenovo > > > > is using Linux anymore. Does Lenovo use anything else besides > Windows? > > > > > > I believe they recently stopped selling laptops with linux on them. > > > > Hrm, so it would seem. At least, when I bought my T61 about a year ago, > > there was a SLED10 pre-installed system option. The T500 has since > > replaced the T61 in their model lineup and no such SLED option. > > > > Of course, I didn't actually *buy* the SLED system, because they > > wouldn't let you choose the 802.11n wifi card (because SLED didn't > > support it at the time), so I wound up getting one with Vista on it, > > which I nuked in favor of my distro of choice. Lack of support for the > > latest hardware could actually be one reason there's no SLED pre-install > > option anymore, maybe it'll reappear after the next SLE{S,D} release. > > > > Note that I believe Lenovo *does* still sell systems with Linux on them > > to markets outside the US, at least for their IdeaPad S10 netbook line. > > (I'd love to get an S10 if I didn't already have an Acer Aspire One). > > > > --jarod > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > ------------------------------ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your Hotmail(R) > account. > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081215/825f6fee/attachment-0001.htm From fusiondog at gmail.com Mon Dec 15 10:31:23 2008 From: fusiondog at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:27:34 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: <2625b9520812151017m3387b27el178d9bcae0494471@mail.gmail.com> References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <2625b9520812151017m3387b27el178d9bcae0494471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4946A27B.1030000@gmail.com> I think you had a T61. My T61 had the Intel everything for chipset and Ubuntu installed with no issues at all. Yours was not all Intel as I recall. So the answer is basically it depends, brand names don't strictly dictate the hardware package. Look at the chipsets offered and maybe be prepared to return if they aren't what was advertised. lspci to determine most of the pertinent hardware details on any machine you are running. Hope you are doing well Thushara, Patrick Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > i've put ubuntu on lenovo (forgot model now). i had to ndiswrap the > wireless, and tinker around for drivers and such for bigdesktop. > i wan't happy about power mgt. hibernation did not seem to work well. > but that is the only notebook that i've used with linux extensively so > i can't make any objective comparison. > > thanks, > thushara > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:46 AM, David Hamilton > > wrote: > > Newegg has the Lenovo S10 for sale. Gift the A1 to family/friends > and spread some more fedora love around. And, while funds last, > today Newegg has 15% off for anything paid with Paypal. > > > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux > > From: jarod@wilsonet.com > > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:54:59 -0500 > > > > > On Sun, 2008-12-14 at 23:21 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote: > > > On Sunday 14 December 2008 11:14:58 pm Donald G wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if Lenovo is using linux on their notebook > machines? I > > > > bought the T61 with Suse Linux but their web site doesn't > say that Lenovo > > > > is using Linux anymore. Does Lenovo use anything else > besides Windows? > > > > > > I believe they recently stopped selling laptops with linux on > them. > > > > Hrm, so it would seem. At least, when I bought my T61 about a > year ago, > > there was a SLED10 pre-installed system option. The T500 has since > > replaced the T61 in their model lineup and no such SLED option. > > > > Of course, I didn't actually *buy* the SLED system, because they > > wouldn't let you choose the 802.11n wifi card (because SLED didn't > > support it at the time), so I wound up getting one with Vista on it, > > which I nuked in favor of my distro of choice. Lack of support > for the > > latest hardware could actually be one reason there's no SLED > pre-install > > option anymore, maybe it'll reappear after the next SLE{S,D} > release. > > > > Note that I believe Lenovo *does* still sell systems with Linux > on them > > to markets outside the US, at least for their IdeaPad S10 > netbook line. > > (I'd love to get an S10 if I didn't already have an Acer Aspire > One). > > > > --jarod > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. Get your > Hotmail? account. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jarod at wilsonet.com Mon Dec 15 10:45:40 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:38:21 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: <2625b9520812151017m3387b27el178d9bcae0494471@mail.gmail.com> References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <2625b9520812151017m3387b27el178d9bcae0494471@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1229366740.30037.27.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> On Mon, 2008-12-15 at 10:17 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > i've put ubuntu on lenovo (forgot model now). i had to ndiswrap the > wireless, and tinker around for drivers and such for bigdesktop. > i wan't happy about power mgt. hibernation did not seem to work well. > but that is the only notebook that i've used with linux extensively so > i can't make any objective comparison. Wireless, suspend and resume, graphics, etc all work without any kludges like ndiswrapper and no 3rd-party binary blob video drivers on my Lenovo ThinkPad T61, Acer Aspire One and Apple PowerBook G4. T61: -Intel Core 2 Duo processor -Intel X3100 graphics -Intel iwl4965 wifi AAO: -Intel Atom processor -Intel GMA950 graphics -Intel iwl5350 wifi (the stock Atheros card worked fine, but was only b/g) PowerBook G4: -PowerPC G4 processor -ATI Radeon 9700 Mobility graphics -Broadcom bcm43xx wifi (can't recall specific model, b/g-only, works w/b43 driver) All running Fedora, of course, with a rather current kernel. The T61 has worked pretty reliably for a year now, the AAO for a few months (haven't had it long), the PowerBook for well over a year. > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 9:46 AM, David Hamilton > wrote: > Newegg has the Lenovo S10 for sale. Gift the A1 to > family/friends and spread some more fedora love around. And, > while funds last, today Newegg has 15% off for anything paid > with Paypal. 'Tis an idea. But a stack of new hard drives is higher on my wish list, and everyone I'm willing to spend that kind of money on for gifts, I'm already done shopping for... :) --jarod From ryanc at greengrey.org Mon Dec 15 11:01:37 2008 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Mon Dec 15 10:57:52 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux In-Reply-To: <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> References: <176913.45632.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <200812142321.22853.konrad@tylerc.org> <1229356499.30037.15.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081215190136.GA27797@greengrey.org> On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:54:59AM -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: | Hrm, so it would seem. At least, when I bought my T61 about a year ago, | there was a SLED10 pre-installed system option. The T500 has since | replaced the T61 in their model lineup and no such SLED option. It looks as if they removed all Linux options when they did their model line refresh(es) earlier this year. -- Ryan Corder || () ASCII ribbon campaign || /\ against HTML email http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CB59D69 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081215/9fd0c109/attachment.pgp From crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com Mon Dec 15 12:12:06 2008 From: crawford.rainwater at linux-etc.com (Crawford Rainwater) Date: Mon Dec 15 12:12:44 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Lenovo and Linux Message-ID: <29230963.1391229371926344.JavaMail.root@zmx.os-mx.com> For those who desire Linux on their IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads there is ThinkWiki at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki in the event anyone wishes to have some extra assistance. FWIW and HTH. --- Crawford From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 16 01:14:19 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Tue Dec 16 01:10:37 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] no more Linux on Lenovo for US customers Message-ID: <585309.62125.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In case anyone is interested: no more Linux on Lenovo (for US customers at least) http://practical-tech.com/infrastructure/lenovo-exits-pre-installed-linux-desktop-business/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081216/11765918/attachment.htm From reed at reedmedia.net Tue Dec 16 10:57:36 2008 From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:53:47 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] looking for .Net developer and LAMP consultant Message-ID: A company contacted me about LAMP consultation. The current code base is in .Net but will be converting to PHP. May need .Net expertise for a few months. Please email me if you have availability off-list. Include any examples and/or resume and I will forward on. From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 22 05:06:21 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Mon Dec 22 05:02:35 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a "locked" ppt file Message-ID: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know how to get Impress to open a "locked" power point file? A "locked" file can be opened for viewing only, but cannot be modified. If not, I am stuck with power point and windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, I am stuck with power point and windows > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general If you give me a locked ppt file I will tinker around trying to open it. thats as much as i can help. you could also try to wine office 07 as an alternative. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jamesthefishy.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081222/07d1af74/jamesthefishy.vcf From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Mon Dec 22 08:18:51 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Mon Dec 22 08:13:48 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a "locked" ppt file In-Reply-To: <494FA895.80108@gmail.com> References: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <494FA895.80108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812220818.51642.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 22 December 2008 06:47:49 am james michael wrote: > Donald G wrote: > > Does anyone know how to get Impress to open a "locked" power point > > file? A "locked" file can be opened for viewing only, but cannot be > > modified. If not, I am stuck with power point and windows > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > If you give me a locked ppt file I will tinker around trying to open it. > thats as much as i can help. you could also try to wine office 07 as an > alternative. Or find some way (wine or windows) to open office, and "save-as" to get rid of the locked-ness? I'm not certain if that would work, but you should be able to get Impress to open it then :) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Mon Dec 22 10:42:22 2008 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Mon Dec 22 10:38:34 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a "locked" ppt file In-Reply-To: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081222184221.GW23300@seattlefenix.net> * Donald G (dlg_grdnr7@yahoo.com) [081222 05:06]: > Does anyone know how to get Impress to open a "locked" power point file? A > "locked" file can be opened for viewing only, but cannot be modified. If not, > I am stuck with power point and windows Is this file on a shared resource, such as a fileserver? This sounds more like a situation where two clients are trying to open the file, and one is honoring the write file lock. If that's the case, just get the other person who has the file open to close it and you're all set. This situation isn't unique to Impress. Windows folks run into it all the time and switching to Office in Windows won't fix it. -- Benjamin Krueger From paul.bartell at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 11:55:58 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Mon Dec 22 11:52:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a "locked" ppt file In-Reply-To: <20081222184221.GW23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081222184221.GW23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812221155n75f92538pc55d36bc3e8bc6e5@mail.gmail.com> Yeah. IF something is "locked as read only" in open office, that is usually a permissions issue. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * Donald G (dlg_grdnr7@yahoo.com) [081222 05:06]: >> Does anyone know how to get Impress to open a "locked" power point file? A >> "locked" file can be opened for viewing only, but cannot be modified. If not, >> I am stuck with power point and windows > > Is this file on a shared resource, such as a fileserver? This sounds more like a situation where two clients are trying to open the file, and one is honoring the write file lock. If that's the case, just get the other person who has the file open to close it and you're all set. This situation isn't unique to Impress. Windows folks run into it all the time and switching to Office in Windows won't fix it. > > -- > Benjamin Krueger > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:09:26 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:04:38 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Laptop Nix In-Reply-To: <20081222184221.GW23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <5870.78662.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20081222184221.GW23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <49501E26.8050408@gmail.com> I just got a Toshiba l305-s5896 laptop and I have been trying everything to get nix on it, so far out of opensuse 11, ubuntu/kubuntu 8.10, mandriva 2008 kde, linuxmint 4.0 xfce 6008, slax killbill 5.1.8.1, Gentoo live 2007, PCLinuxOS 2007, Knoppix STD, Damn Small Linux 4.2.1, Tiny Me, Arch Linux 2007 08-02, Gentoo 2008 Live, opensuse kde 4-7.1, Desktop bsd 1.6 and Mepis antix live cd 2007 only the last 3 have been able to work. (opensuse kde 4-7.1, Desktop bsd 1.6 and Mepis antix live cd 2007) Now I don't know why they work, the X version is all different. I don't know what to load it with, anyone have any ideas of what to do to figure out why the others won't work? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jamesthefishy.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081222/1a240623/jamesthefishy.vcf From emeriz at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:52:48 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:48:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Quick question In-Reply-To: <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> References: <4938E5AC.2050207@gmail.com> <152aefdf0812050856y27819c15n4493bf1848ee73ea@mail.gmail.com> <493962A2.3090806@gmail.com> <493AE816.4020702@realloc.net> Message-ID: <49502850.7030600@gmail.com> Thanks everyone for the input on this. Thanks partially to that I was able to get them to escalate it and they just replied that they found the issue and will correct it with their next scheduled update. Anthony Derek Simkowiak wrote: > Anthony>/ Its definitely an issue with them not liking Linux in the > user-agent. / > > I don't know if they fixed it (thanks to your input), but I just > tried it and got in fine under Ubuntu 8.04 (using Firefox). > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9) Gecko/2008061015 Firefox/3.0 > > > Another possible cause is your ISP. Some ISPs run caching proxies > (like Squid), and if they've configured it wrong (or done something > stupid) these proxies can mess things up. That might explain why > different users get different results...? > > --Derek > > Anthony Chitwood wrote: >> Andrew Kvalheim wrote: >> >>> No problems using Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; >>> en-US; rv:1.9.0.4) Gecko/2008102920 Firefox/3.0.4. >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >> >> Good to know, thanks. Its definitely an issue with them not liking >> Linux in the user-agent. I tested last night on XP with the user agent >> changed to the same as my Linux user-agent and it failed as well. I >> forwarded that to their support team expressing my "slight" displeasure >> with their handling of my concern etc.. and I got this a few minutes ago: >> >> "Due to its complex nature, your issue has been relayed to our Advanced >> Technical Support Team. Our most skilled technicians will be working to >> resolve your issue quickly and completely. You will be notified promptly >> upon resolution." >> >> We'll see, but again, thanks for all of the help. >> >> Anthony >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > From emeriz at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 15:55:06 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:51:09 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop Message-ID: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time I don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch base and see if anyone had some good suggestions. I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several non-mainstream brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their prices seemed a bit higher for comparable specs as the Dell. My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues with this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty I purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd party company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has kept me a litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the economy the way it is. Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me decide which way I need to go? Thanks in advance. Anthony From paul.bartell at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 16:00:50 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Mon Dec 22 15:56:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> Mainly, you get what you pay for when buying a laptop. I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot to send a piece with the computer). I have heard only good things about the smaller comapnies such as system76 and zareason. They have good tech support, and will generally make something that is wrong right. I can also suggest apple, knowing how high quality most of their hardware is. Last time I checked, they were shipping very well supported on linux wifi cards (Atheros based), and frankly, they look the best... But they do have the higher price tag. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time I > don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch base and > see if anyone had some good suggestions. > > I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops > anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name > one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. > My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several non-mainstream > brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their prices seemed a bit > higher for comparable specs as the Dell. > > My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and > how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues with > this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty I > purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd party > company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has kept me a > litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the economy the way > it is. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me decide > which way I need to go? > > Thanks in advance. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Mon Dec 22 16:17:12 2008 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:13:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> * Paul Bartell (paul.bartell@gmail.com) [081222 16:01]: > Mainly, you get what you pay for when buying a laptop. > > I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together > last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to > mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot > to send a piece with the computer). > > I have heard only good things about the smaller comapnies such as > system76 and zareason. They have good tech support, and will generally > make something that is wrong right. > > I can also suggest apple, knowing how high quality most of their > hardware is. Last time I checked, they were shipping very well > supported on linux wifi cards (Atheros based), and frankly, they look > the best... But they do have the higher price tag. I was going to second the Apple recommendation. They are probably the best Intel based laptop provider on the market today. Need a really good laptop to run Windows or Linux? Buy a MacBook Pro. From rjordan at numb.ca Mon Dec 22 16:06:12 2008 From: rjordan at numb.ca (Ross Jordan) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:24:22 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081223000612.GA9627@numb.ca> It would seem Anthony Chitwood, on Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 03:55:06PM -0800, wrote: > I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time I > don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch base and > see if anyone had some good suggestions. > > I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops > anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name > one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. > My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several non-mainstream > brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their prices seemed a bit > higher for comparable specs as the Dell. Lenovo does offer WUXGA on their screens in the higher end models (i.e. its an option on the W500, which is a nice, albeit expensive laptop) -Ross From info at ross154.net Mon Dec 22 16:50:37 2008 From: info at ross154.net (Ross154 Info) Date: Mon Dec 22 16:55:18 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <495035DD.8060801@ross154.net> i got a Dell Studio 15 (1535?) for my wife with ubuntu on it, and i have to say, while it came with a 1900x1200 screen and looks good and tastes great.. i have to say, the construction leaves a little to be desired.. Also, the wireless chip it in it (broadcom??) doesn't even work with the Ubuntu 8.04 it ships with, til you apt-get upgrade that joint. the Intel x3100 graphics chip in it also doesn't seem to play well.. at least i THINK it's the video chip.. when running in compiz [as opposed to metacity], the machine is far more likely to flashing-capslock-(and scroll lock, tho there's no light for it)-of-death randomly.. I havent tried upgrading to 8.10 to see if newer drivers fix it, but.. yea.. underwhelmed.. cheers, -m Paul Bartell wrote: > Mainly, you get what you pay for when buying a laptop. > > I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together > last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to > mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot > to send a piece with the computer). > > I have heard only good things about the smaller comapnies such as > system76 and zareason. They have good tech support, and will generally > make something that is wrong right. > > I can also suggest apple, knowing how high quality most of their > hardware is. Last time I checked, they were shipping very well > supported on linux wifi cards (Atheros based), and frankly, they look > the best... But they do have the higher price tag. > > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > >> I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time I >> don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch base and >> see if anyone had some good suggestions. >> >> I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops >> anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name >> one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. >> My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several non-mainstream >> brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their prices seemed a bit >> higher for comparable specs as the Dell. >> >> My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and >> how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues with >> this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty I >> purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd party >> company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has kept me a >> litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the economy the way >> it is. >> >> Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me decide >> which way I need to go? >> >> Thanks in advance. >> >> Anthony >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> >> > > > > From rob at willenbergs.com Mon Dec 22 16:13:27 2008 From: rob at willenbergs.com (Rob Willenberg) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:08:40 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41552F11-0176-4797-8A59-65CA8022EE4C@willenbergs.com> Look at the precision line from dell. I'm running ubuntu 8.10 on an M4400 with no issues. All the hardware including the webcam and GPRS card work as intended. I should add that I don't use hibernate or sleep so I can't comment on those. On Dec 22, 2008, at 3:55 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this > time I > don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch base > and > see if anyone had some good suggestions. > > I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops > anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name > one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. > My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several non- > mainstream > brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their prices seemed a > bit > higher for comparable specs as the Dell. > > My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and > how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues > with > this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty I > purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd party > company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has kept me a > litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the economy the way > it is. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me > decide > which way I need to go? > > Thanks in advance. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From emeriz at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 17:17:55 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:13:57 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <49503C43.7000404@gmail.com> I had looked at the MacBook Pro's, and honestly the pricetag was the only think holding me back. I may need to upgrade my wife's Christmas present to keep her from hurting me though if I go that route! :P Also, thanks for the feedback on the Dell's, I had heard their quality and tech suport were sadly lacking, but I have never used them. I've always built my own desktops and had gone Sager with my laptops through this last one. I will go back to system76, zareason, lenovo, and sager and start again to see what I get from my money and see how it compares to the MacBook Pro. Research is the key...I'm not looking to buy until January or February. Thanks again. Anthony Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * Paul Bartell (paul.bartell@gmail.com) [081222 16:01]: >> Mainly, you get what you pay for when buying a laptop. >> >> I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all >> kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together >> last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to >> mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot >> to send a piece with the computer). >> >> I have heard only good things about the smaller comapnies such as >> system76 and zareason. They have good tech support, and will generally >> make something that is wrong right. >> >> I can also suggest apple, knowing how high quality most of their >> hardware is. Last time I checked, they were shipping very well >> supported on linux wifi cards (Atheros based), and frankly, they look >> the best... But they do have the higher price tag. > > I was going to second the Apple recommendation. They are probably the best Intel based laptop provider on the market today. Need a really good laptop to run Windows or Linux? Buy a MacBook Pro. > From btm at loftninjas.org Mon Dec 22 17:46:40 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Mon Dec 22 17:42:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <49503C43.7000404@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> <49503C43.7000404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750812221746w40e7d19cve20fdbae2fd1e9d4@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > Also, thanks for the feedback on the Dell's, I had heard their quality > and tech suport were sadly lacking, but I have never used them. I've > always built my own desktops and had gone Sager with my laptops through > this last one. I will go back to system76, zareason, lenovo, and sager > and start again to see what I get from my money and see how it compares > to the MacBook Pro. I've barely used Dell tech support, but I've been very happy with the quality of the Dell Latitude line. I have a D430 which I usually carry with me and a larger D620 as well. My current employer and previous both standardized on the Dell Latitude lines for a number of somewhat irrelevant business type reasons. Both laptops run Linux, I really only carry the 430, where hibernate works 95% of the time. Everything has worked out of the box. Support gets better as you give them tons of more money, there are different levels. I could comment on how I once I got a replacement part delivered by magic carpet about 4 hours after I opened a support case, but I have to assume we pay quite a bit for that level of service on that product. Bryan From frcaen at gmail.com Mon Dec 22 19:43:50 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Mon Dec 22 19:39:58 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840812221943g2b2f96f4g3c4eef0568aa00ba@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name > one I found with the WUXGA screens Two coworkers of mine bought two of those from Dell, fully loaded and refurbished, 2 weeks ago. They're both running Vista. One of them tried loading XP but the installer kept blue-screening early on. Can't comment on Linux compatibility. One of the 2 laptops had a problem with the eject button for the optical slot drive. There is a short that causes the drive to try to eject every 20 seconds or so. The short has been experienced by other people on various forums and is traced back to poor routing of the wifi antenna. My coworker who had the problem spent over 5 hours on the phone with a dozen different Dell reps before getting resolution. At the end of the day, he got a great laptop at a great price, and a good dose of frustration. My conclusion is not to not buy Dell, but to be aware of what you might be getting into :) -- Francois Caen From rjordan at numb.ca Mon Dec 22 19:57:09 2008 From: rjordan at numb.ca (Ross Jordan) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:08:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <20081223035709.GB11148@numb.ca> It would seem Benjamin Krueger, on Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 04:17:12PM -0800, wrote: > * Paul Bartell (paul.bartell@gmail.com) [081222 16:01]: > > Mainly, you get what you pay for when buying a laptop. > > > > I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > > kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together > > last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to > > mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot > > to send a piece with the computer). > > > > I have heard only good things about the smaller comapnies such as > > system76 and zareason. They have good tech support, and will generally > > make something that is wrong right. > > > > I can also suggest apple, knowing how high quality most of their > > hardware is. Last time I checked, they were shipping very well > > supported on linux wifi cards (Atheros based), and frankly, they look > > the best... But they do have the higher price tag. > > I was going to second the Apple recommendation. They are probably the best Intel based laptop provider on the market today. Need a really good laptop to run Windows or Linux? Buy a MacBook Pro. Apple laptops are manufactured by the same taiwanese contractors as Dell, Gateway, Acer etc. (Quanta or whoever the flavor of the month is). Their spec is reasonably good quality components, but you can get similarly good components on the high end laptops from Lenovo (T, W series) or Toshiba or Sony (and bonus that they are actually tested on Windows and maybe Linux). -Ross From jarod at wilsonet.com Mon Dec 22 20:43:27 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 22 20:39:41 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <893823750812221746w40e7d19cve20fdbae2fd1e9d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <20081223001712.GX23300@seattlefenix.net> <49503C43.7000404@gmail.com> <893823750812221746w40e7d19cve20fdbae2fd1e9d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230007407.3782.13.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 17:46 -0800, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Anthony Chitwood wrote: > > Also, thanks for the feedback on the Dell's, I had heard their quality > > and tech suport were sadly lacking, but I have never used them. I've > > always built my own desktops and had gone Sager with my laptops through > > this last one. I will go back to system76, zareason, lenovo, and sager > > and start again to see what I get from my money and see how it compares > > to the MacBook Pro. Roughly a year ago, I got a Lenovo ThinkPad T61 pretty heavily decked out for $1300. A MacBook Pro starts at $2000. Now, the MBP is much prettier looking (hell, my 4 year old PowerBook is too), but I do like that I've got a full-fledged docking station (w/a PCI-e card and my DVD burner in it) and the option to swap out my DVD burner for something else (I carry a second hard drive instead). The MBP does also have the advantage that it'll run Mac OS X if you want it to (I probably would). The T61... I have Mac OS X installed for giggles, but it doesn't exactly work smoothly (have to disable accelerated graphics drivers, they crash, no viable driver for the iwl4965, etc., though this was at least 6mo ago last I poked at it). So the other OS w/ drivers is Vista -- no thanks. Fortunately, Fedora runs extremely well on it, suspend and resume works 99% of the time, wireless works great, docking/undocking (including hotplug of the FW800 card in the dock) works great, etc., etc. > I've barely used Dell tech support, but I've been very happy with the > quality of the Dell Latitude line. I have a D430 which I usually carry > with me and a larger D620 as well. My current employer and previous > both standardized on the Dell Latitude lines for a number of somewhat > irrelevant business type reasons. My employer is more or less Dell Precision workstations on the desktop, Lenovo ThinkPad T-series laptops. Rarely is there a Dell Precision workstation or a Lenovo ThinkPad T-series laptop that doesn't work under Linux, for reasons that are obvious, if you know where I work... ;) > Both laptops run Linux, I really > only carry the 430, where hibernate works 95% of the time. Everything > has worked out of the box. Ah, there *is* one thing that didn't work out of the box on my T61 and still doesn't -- the Intel TurboBoost memory BS still doesn't work under Linux period. Intel has been rather ... silent ... wrt any specs on these things or a driver or, well, anything... Whatever, no big loss. I should replace that mini pci-e card with something that is actually useful some day... > Support gets better as you give them tons of more money, there are > different levels. I could comment on how I once I got a replacement > part delivered by magic carpet about 4 hours after I opened a support > case, but I have to assume we pay quite a bit for that level of > service on that product. You would assume so. Even more expensive (I assume): getting a replacement hard disk to show up *before you even know there's a problem with the current one*. We actually had this happen -- IBM System Z. One of our z900 (s390x) machines had a disk starting to report errors, and it let IBM know, so they shipped out a new disk, which was here before the old disk got around to failing. Lab admins didn't even realize anything was wrong until the disk arrived. They hot-swapped it out and sent the not-yet-dead disk back, not even a second of down time. Cool stuff. I've seen similar with high-end FC arrays, but the products cost a pretty penny and the support contracts just as much... --jarod From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Mon Dec 22 21:13:38 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Mon Dec 22 21:08:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 22 December 2008 04:00:50 pm Paul Bartell wrote: > I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together > last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to > mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot > to send a piece with the computer). I can vouche for the tech support (but, then again, I have pretty much come to expect lousy tech support from large companies...), but I own an m1330, and I (personally) have been fairly happy with it. It's been reliable and pretty much bug-free (at least as far as hardware goes) since I got it. Maybe I'm just lucky. If I were buying another laptop, I'd probably stick to a smaller company, though. I went with dell because of the financing, but it's pretty clear that dell made windows laptops and put linux on them. And a good many of the programs that are factory-installed with the systems are proprietary (the DVD player, some dell equivalent of windows restore). -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 23 05:39:48 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Tue Dec 23 05:35:58 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a locked ppt Message-ID: <579852.16690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: This ppt is locked example.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint Size: 10752 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081223/89ee6c26/Thispptislockedexample-0001.ppt From paul.bartell at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 08:19:05 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:15:11 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a locked ppt In-Reply-To: <579852.16690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <579852.16690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812230819y46a000d6va2ef6385bf040730@mail.gmail.com> you are definetly not alone: http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=46307 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/192056 On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Donald G wrote: > attached is an example of a locked ppt. Anyone know how to view it? > When you load it in power point, a dialog box opens and asks for either the > password, or if you want to "read only". This simply says OO does not > support password encrypted files, which it is NOT > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From jarod at wilsonet.com Tue Dec 23 09:03:10 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Tue Dec 23 08:55:28 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 21:13 -0800, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Monday 22 December 2008 04:00:50 pm Paul Bartell wrote: > > I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > > kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together > > last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to > > mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot > > to send a piece with the computer). > > I can vouche for the tech support (but, then again, I have pretty much come to > expect lousy tech support from large companies...), but I own an m1330, and I > (personally) have been fairly happy with it. It's been reliable and pretty > much bug-free (at least as far as hardware goes) since I got it. Maybe I'm > just lucky. Heh, a buddy has an m1330, and had to call Dell tech support just a few days ago, for some issue with one of his AC adapters not working. One of the questions Dell tech support asked was what OS he had installed. He of course replied Fedora Linux. They asked where he purchased it. I did have to call Lenovo tech support for a failing disk drive just after I got my T61. Told the guy I was running Fedora, and smartd was reporting tons of errors. He said "yep, sounds like its toast, we'll ship you a new drive". No "can you reproduce this in Windows" or any other "we don't support Linux" sort of BS. Haven't had to call for anything else, might have just got lucky. --jarod From haircut at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 11:12:38 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Tue Dec 23 11:08:48 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ebd65110812231112h7a899b7t5d759a2a7d18d2fa@mail.gmail.com> I bought a laptop from EmperorLinux a while back and was happy with the hardware and customer service. I recently bought a desktop from ZaReason and also am very happy with their hardware and customer service. Otherwise I've always preferred running GNU/Linux on Dell hardware. Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already, but Dell sells (and supports?) boxen pre-loaded with Ubuntu. -- Adam Monsen From pencil_pusher at hotmail.com Tue Dec 23 13:50:07 2008 From: pencil_pusher at hotmail.com (David Hamilton) Date: Tue Dec 23 13:46:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110812231112h7a899b7t5d759a2a7d18d2fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <9ebd65110812231112h7a899b7t5d759a2a7d18d2fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did anyone see the value in Dell's Ubuntu line? It seems like they charge more for the Ubuntu flavor, oddly enough. I also don't like how they tuck the Ubuntu line away so only the people who know it's there can find it. For that matter, it seems best to find a laptop you like and then plop Ubuntu on it and maybe get lucky refu$ing the eula if vista really irks you that much. > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:12:38 -0600 > From: haircut@gmail.com > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] New Laptop > > I bought a laptop from EmperorLinux a while back and was happy with > the hardware and customer service. > > I recently bought a desktop from ZaReason and also am very happy with > their hardware and customer service. > > Otherwise I've always preferred running GNU/Linux on Dell hardware. > Not sure if it has been mentioned in this thread already, but Dell > sells (and supports?) boxen pre-loaded with Ubuntu. > > -- > Adam Monsen > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081223/69949c8d/attachment.htm From jarod at wilsonet.com Tue Dec 23 14:09:14 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:01:28 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <9ebd65110812231112h7a899b7t5d759a2a7d18d2fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230070154.3794.27.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:50 -0800, David Hamilton wrote: > Did anyone see the value in Dell's Ubuntu line? Well, in theory, it means you *know* all the hardware is going to work under Linux. In practice... Notsomuch. Apparently, manufacturing changed out a few parts in one of the Ubuntu laptop lines w/o bothering to change the pre-load image (or at least see if it still worked), and a guy on one of the lug lists out my way got a Dell/Ubuntu laptop that was unable to start X or something like that. Ah, there it is... http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org/msg24729.html > It seems like they charge more for the Ubuntu flavor, oddly enough. Higher (anticipated?) support cost. (Or so they say... :). --jarod From paul.bartell at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 14:43:35 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Tue Dec 23 14:39:40 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <1230070154.3794.27.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <9ebd65110812231112h7a899b7t5d759a2a7d18d2fa@mail.gmail.com> <1230070154.3794.27.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812231443u76be2d71gcb39b27b5e6b7132@mail.gmail.com> Yeah. Ive got one of the dellbuntu laptops. Its nothing special. Suspend works sometimes, hibernation less so. Basically it was thrown together. Ive had run ins with the tech support, and they were extremely unhelpful. Even after doing a credit card dispute, AMEX backed down and said they would pay for the thing. Basically, everyone is expected to bend over for them, and their lack of customer support. Im not going to support a company that doesn't value its customers. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 13:50 -0800, David Hamilton wrote: >> Did anyone see the value in Dell's Ubuntu line? > > Well, in theory, it means you *know* all the hardware is going to work > under Linux. In practice... Notsomuch. Apparently, manufacturing changed > out a few parts in one of the Ubuntu laptop lines w/o bothering to > change the pre-load image (or at least see if it still worked), and a > guy on one of the lug lists out my way got a Dell/Ubuntu laptop that was > unable to start X or something like that. > > Ah, there it is... > > http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org/msg24729.html > >> It seems like they charge more for the Ubuntu flavor, oddly enough. > > Higher (anticipated?) support cost. (Or so they say... :). > > --jarod > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From emeriz at gmail.com Tue Dec 23 17:12:07 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:08:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> Message-ID: <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 21:13 -0800, Jack T Mudge III wrote: >> On Monday 22 December 2008 04:00:50 pm Paul Bartell wrote: >>> I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all >>> kinds of random problems. Its almost as if it were slapped together >>> last minute to work somewhat with linux. And i dont even need to >>> mention the low quality of their tech support. (even when they forgot >>> to send a piece with the computer). >> I can vouche for the tech support (but, then again, I have pretty much come to >> expect lousy tech support from large companies...), but I own an m1330, and I >> (personally) have been fairly happy with it. It's been reliable and pretty >> much bug-free (at least as far as hardware goes) since I got it. Maybe I'm >> just lucky. > > Heh, a buddy has an m1330, and had to call Dell tech support just a few > days ago, for some issue with one of his AC adapters not working. One of > the questions Dell tech support asked was what OS he had installed. He > of course replied Fedora Linux. They asked where he purchased it. > > I did have to call Lenovo tech support for a failing disk drive just > after I got my T61. Told the guy I was running Fedora, and smartd was > reporting tons of errors. He said "yep, sounds like its toast, we'll > ship you a new drive". No "can you reproduce this in Windows" or any > other "we don't support Linux" sort of BS. Haven't had to call for > anything else, might have just got lucky. > > --jarod > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > I am leaning towards Lenovo or ZaReason. I've had a T43P for the past 3 years at work running XP and its worked pretty good with Puppy running on my usb stick, so that with a lot of Lenovo reviews I have seen makes it look like a good bet as long as I take care with hardware selection. The ZaReason because its built and pre-tested with the hardware on Ubuntu...so less chance of hardware headaches to begin with. I'll let you know how it goes when I finally bite the bullet and get one, so the next person looking for the same thing has a little more info to go on! :) Thanks, Anthony From rijilv at riji.lv Tue Dec 23 17:54:16 2008 From: rijilv at riji.lv (RijilV) Date: Tue Dec 23 17:50:21 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5068c6420812231754t3817585bqc9930e2408dfac03@mail.gmail.com> 2008/12/23 Anthony Chitwood > > I am leaning towards Lenovo or ZaReason. I've had a T43P for the past 3 > years at work running XP and its worked pretty good with Puppy running > on my usb stick, so that with a lot of Lenovo reviews I have seen makes > it look like a good bet as long as I take care with hardware selection. > The ZaReason because its built and pre-tested with the hardware on > Ubuntu...so less chance of hardware headaches to begin with. > > I'll let you know how it goes when I finally bite the bullet and get > one, so the next person looking for the same thing has a little more > info to go on! :) > > Thanks, > > Anthony > I've been running on a X60 for some time now, couldn't be happier for what I use it for. Genearlly I've been happy running GNU/Linux on Thinkpads since the 486 days, and now days it seems everything "just works". .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Told the guy I was running Fedora, and smartd was >> reporting tons of errors. He said "yep, sounds like its toast, we'll >> ship you a new drive". > I am leaning towards Lenovo or ZaReason. My work machine Lenovo t61p running Ubuntu 08.04 (that I am about to upgrade to Fedora Core 10) and it is a great machine. I am not able to suspend to disk but that is a problem with the proprietary Nvidia drivers (I could suspend to disk with vesa drivers). It appears the t61p has been supplanted by the Lenovo W Series. Not cheap but excellent machines. I'm looking at getting a netbook for home use. I'm looking at the Lenovo S10 or Acer Aspire One. I had a chance to see the S10 and the Aspire One (as well as an Asus eeePC and an HP 2133) next to each other at a Fry's down in LA last week. While both are cool machines I think the build quality was better on the S10. I like the 1280x768 resolution of the HP 2133 but there is something about the 2133 keyboard I don't like (besides the fact they all have undersized keyboards). -- Andrew From jarod at wilsonet.com Tue Dec 23 20:45:54 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Tue Dec 23 20:42:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <4951A6A4.3030002@becherer.org> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> <4951A6A4.3030002@becherer.org> Message-ID: <1230093954.30224.6.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 19:04 -0800, Andrew Becherer wrote: > Anthony Chitwood wrote: > > Jarod Wilson wrote: > >> On Mon, 2008-12-22 at 21:13 -0800, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > >>> On Monday 22 December 2008 04:00:50 pm Paul Bartell wrote: > >>>> I have a dell XPS m1330, that came with ubuntu, but frankly it has all > >>>> kinds of random problems. > > >> I did have to call Lenovo tech support for a failing disk drive just > >> after I got my T61. Told the guy I was running Fedora, and smartd was > >> reporting tons of errors. He said "yep, sounds like its toast, we'll > >> ship you a new drive". > > > I am leaning towards Lenovo or ZaReason. > > My work machine Lenovo t61p running Ubuntu 08.04 (that I am about to > upgrade to Fedora Core 10) and it is a great machine. I am not able to > suspend to disk but that is a problem with the proprietary Nvidia > drivers (I could suspend to disk with vesa drivers). It appears the t61p > has been supplanted by the Lenovo W Series. Not cheap but excellent > machines. No, the T series is still the T series. Specifically, the T61 was replaced by the T500. The W series is a new series. > I'm looking at getting a netbook for home use. I'm looking at the Lenovo > S10 or Acer Aspire One. I had a chance to see the S10 and the Aspire One > (as well as an Asus eeePC and an HP 2133) next to each other at a Fry's > down in LA last week. While both are cool machines I think the build > quality was better on the S10. I like the 1280x768 resolution of the HP > 2133 but there is something about the 2133 keyboard I don't like > (besides the fact they all have undersized keyboards). I'd assume the Lenovo S10 build quality is indeed a bit better than the Acer Aspire One, and if I didn't already have an AAO, I'd probably be inclined to get the S10 instead, but I really have no complaints about my AAO, its actually pretty solidly built, and its a real trooper running Fedora as well. The SSD is slow as hell, which sucks if you're doing package updates and whatnot, but for surfing, email, shell, supertux, and the occasional movie, its pretty good. I grabbed a 16GB SDHC card for $30 that I keep in mine the majority of the time for downloads, movies, etc. -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 24 00:23:23 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Wed Dec 24 00:19:32 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Kinternet not working on suse Message-ID: <275783.55224.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have Suse KDE.? Here is a very tricky problem: I accendentally deleted my main panel. I am trying to rebuild it, but I cannot get Kinternet to appear on the panel. When I click on "Kinternet" in the main menu, a box appears that says it is already running and is the small connection icon in the panel; nothing there like that. I have also tried to "upgrade" Kinternet, uninstall and reinstall; after all that, I cannot get "Kinternet" to appear in the panel. The only thing that happened when I uninstalled and reinstalled Kinternet was that it removed the "shutdown" command from the main menu. Seems like "Suse" KDE is a very delicate GUI (if you sneeze, you break will something).? right now, my machine cannot get internet until I fix "Kinternet".? anyone help?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081224/84040d50/attachment.htm From zjacreman at nasen.org Wed Dec 24 01:27:30 2008 From: zjacreman at nasen.org (zjacreman) Date: Wed Dec 24 01:54:37 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> <5068c6420812231754t3817585bqc9930e2408dfac03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0000001805@mail.nasen.org> I have a new Lenovo T400 running Ubuntu 8.10. Everything that I expected to work at all (not switchable graphics, in other words) worked out of the box except for suspend/restore. I installed the kernel from the intrepid-proposed repo and that helped some, but it's still not very reliable. I expect it'll be cleared up eventually. Other than that, it works great. Even the function buttons do what they're supposed to do. Check compatibility for individual components while you're customizing and you'll be fine. -ZJA >Tue Dec 23 2008 05:54:16 PM PST from RijilV to "Gslug-General," >Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] New Laptop > >2008/12/23 Anthony Chitwood > >> >> >> >> >> >>I am leaning towards Lenovo or ZaReason. I've had a T43P for the past 3 >> years at work running XP and its worked pretty good with Puppy running >> on my usb stick, so that with a lot of Lenovo reviews I have seen makes >> it look like a good bet as long as I take care with hardware selection. >> The ZaReason because its built and pre-tested with the hardware on >> Ubuntu...so less chance of hardware headaches to begin with. >> >> I'll let you know how it goes when I finally bite the bullet and get >> one, so the next person looking for the same thing has a little more >> info to go on! :) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anthony >> > > >I've been running on a X60 for some time now, couldn't be happier for what I >use it for. Genearlly I've been happy running GNU/Linux on Thinkpads since >the 486 days, and now days it seems everything "just works". > >.r' > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081225/c6eb1304/attachment.htm From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 00:26:13 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Fri Dec 26 00:22:15 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window References: <350284.76968.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <5068c6420812252146y7e5e6e69x609a081dee98a261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <952979.10742.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> oops.... I forgot to mention that I use Suse.? I guess the GUI is KDE.? That is all the abbrevs I am aware of.? Is "Suse" the distro? ________________________________ Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window 2008/12/25 Donald G My task bar does not keep tabs of windows that are open. Usually when I minimize a window, there will be a "tab" in the task bar at the bottom of the screen showing which applications are open. I don't see that anymore. When I minimize a window, it simply disappears as if I closed it and I must reopen the application. How do I get my tabs back? huh?? what desktop environment are you using?? What distro?? .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081226/7be3ae36/attachment.html From paul.bartell at gmail.com Fri Dec 26 00:31:44 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Fri Dec 26 00:27:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window In-Reply-To: <952979.10742.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <350284.76968.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <5068c6420812252146y7e5e6e69x609a081dee98a261@mail.gmail.com> <952979.10742.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812260031l11be5ae3hb4a7dd3bb3ae2dc9@mail.gmail.com> if there is still a bar at the bottom of the window, you can right-click on it, and choose something along the lines of add. In the box that pops up, there should be an option for a window list or whatever it is called. (i dont have kde installed currently, or i could be of more help) On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Donald G wrote: > oops.... I forgot to mention that I use Suse. I guess the GUI is KDE. That > is all the abbrevs I am aware of. Is "Suse" the distro? > > ________________________________ > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window > > 2008/12/25 Donald G >> >> My task bar does not keep tabs of windows that are open. Usually when I >> minimize a window, there will be a "tab" in the task bar at the bottom of >> the screen showing which applications are open. I don't see that anymore. >> When I minimize a window, it simply disappears as if I closed it and I must >> reopen the application. How do I get my tabs back? > > > huh? what desktop environment are you using? What distro? > > .r' > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 26 06:54:17 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Fri Dec 26 06:50:23 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window - fixed References: <350284.76968.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <5068c6420812252146y7e5e6e69x609a081dee98a261@mail.gmail.com> <952979.10742.qm@web57603.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <2b5bab0f0812260031l11be5ae3hb4a7dd3bb3ae2dc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <798784.82542.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com> thanks, that fixed it! ________________________________ Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window if there is still a bar at the bottom of the window, you can right-click on it, and choose something along the lines of add. In the box that pops up, there should be an option for a window list or whatever it is called. (i dont have kde installed currently, or i could be of more help) On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Donald G wrote: > oops.... I forgot to mention that I use Suse. I guess the GUI is KDE. That > is all the abbrevs I am aware of. Is "Suse" the distro? > > ________________________________ > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] no tabs in task bar at bottom of window > > 2008/12/25 Donald G >> >> My task bar does not keep tabs of windows that are open. Usually when I >> minimize a window, there will be a "tab" in the task bar at the bottom of >> the screen showing which applications are open. I don't see that anymore. >> When I minimize a window, it simply disappears as if I closed it and I must >> reopen the application. How do I get my tabs back? > > > huh? what desktop environment are you using? 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081226/6224ce41/attachment.html From jarod at wilsonet.com Fri Dec 26 15:32:49 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Fri Dec 26 15:28:52 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 15:11 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > do we have folks in this list that work on the linux kernel > (development or test)? Yes. > could someone please reply to me off-list Why off-list if its Linux-related, relevant to the list, and probably of interest to others too? > as i'm trying to figure out some of the processes in here, ,ex: git, > build etc? I'd start here: http://linux.yyz.us/git-howto.html and then read the README included w/the source. --jarod From thushw at gmail.com Sat Dec 27 11:00:11 2008 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Sat Dec 27 10:56:09 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> thanks jarod - i tried to get the kernel installed using jit for hardy, then intrepid but there was some snag that I couldn't get past. yesterday i got the git clone for jaunty and got the failure of makedumpfile being missing in the hardy repos (i'm on hardy). so i manually installed that package / blew my source and currently cloning the repo again. this time i'm hoping to build just the generic flavor of the kernel to save time. otherwise it seems to build 386, generic, server, virtual flavors. so i will post back to the list how it goes. i have installed a kernel from source using the tarball a few times, but have not been so fortunate with the gitted kernel. thanks (happy holidays) thushara On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Fri, 2008-12-26 at 15:11 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > > do we have folks in this list that work on the linux kernel > > (development or test)? > > Yes. > > > could someone please reply to me off-list > > Why off-list if its Linux-related, relevant to the list, and probably of > interest to others too? > > > as i'm trying to figure out some of the processes in here, ,ex: git, > > build etc? > > I'd start here: > > http://linux.yyz.us/git-howto.html > > and then read the README included w/the source. > > --jarod > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081227/cb7967bf/attachment.html From jarod at wilsonet.com Sun Dec 28 13:44:39 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Sun Dec 28 13:40:41 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 11:00 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > thanks jarod - i tried to get the kernel installed using jit for > hardy, then intrepid but there was some snag that I couldn't get past. > yesterday i got the git clone for jaunty and got the failure of > makedumpfile being missing in the hardy repos (i'm on hardy). so i > manually installed that package / blew my source and currently cloning > the repo again. > > this time i'm hoping to build just the generic flavor of the kernel to > save time. otherwise it seems to build 386, generic, server, virtual > flavors. Oh. You're cloning Canonical's kernel tree, not the actual kernel git tree... Different beast. > so i will post back to the list how it goes. > > i have installed a kernel from source using the tarball a few times, > but have not been so fortunate with the gitted kernel. Sounds like Canonical's tree is set up to build debs. The kernel.org git tree(s) are designed for the same old build process as tarballs. I'd advise doing any development work against upstream kernels, not Canonical's. -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From thushw at gmail.com Sun Dec 28 19:43:05 2008 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Sun Dec 28 19:39:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> thanks jarod - i can move to RH, not a problem. however, this time i managed to get the canonical kernel to boot and get the wireless working. i hit just three snags: 1. makedumpfile is used for the deb install, i didn't have it 2. i couldn't install the specific linux headers as i was missing a dependent header package linux-headers-2.6.28-4 3. the firmware files for my specific card (acx) wasn't there in /lib/firmare/`uname -r` once i found these files/packages and installed them properly it all worked. just wrote up more detailed steps here if anyone might need it later: http://thushw.blogspot.com/2008/12/building-jaunty-using-git.html thanks, thushara On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 11:00 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > > thanks jarod - i tried to get the kernel installed using jit for > > hardy, then intrepid but there was some snag that I couldn't get past. > > yesterday i got the git clone for jaunty and got the failure of > > makedumpfile being missing in the hardy repos (i'm on hardy). so i > > manually installed that package / blew my source and currently cloning > > the repo again. > > > > this time i'm hoping to build just the generic flavor of the kernel to > > save time. otherwise it seems to build 386, generic, server, virtual > > flavors. > > Oh. You're cloning Canonical's kernel tree, not the actual kernel git > tree... Different beast. > > > so i will post back to the list how it goes. > > > > i have installed a kernel from source using the tarball a few times, > > but have not been so fortunate with the gitted kernel. > > Sounds like Canonical's tree is set up to build debs. The kernel.org git > tree(s) are designed for the same old build process as tarballs. I'd > advise doing any development work against upstream kernels, not > Canonical's. > > > > -- > Jarod Wilson > jarod@wilsonet.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081228/fb835b23/attachment.html From jarod at wilsonet.com Sun Dec 28 22:27:28 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Sun Dec 28 22:23:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Sun, 2008-12-28 at 19:43 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > thanks jarod - i can move to RH, not a problem. > > however, this time i managed to get the canonical kernel to boot and > get the wireless working. i hit just three snags: > > 1. makedumpfile is used for the deb install, i didn't have it Hrm. If its the makedumpfile I'm familiar with, its the vmcore filtering program used by kdump (and/or netdump/diskdump/etc). Not sure why that's a hard requirement, but whatevah. > 2. i couldn't install the specific linux headers as i was missing a > dependent header package linux-headers-2.6.28-4 Not that I've tried hard, but I still fail to comprehend what's where in debian-ese kernel packaging. Or what package version is actually which exact kernel version. That was one of the rather nice things we did in Fedora a while back -- the rpm version can easily be parsed to match up exactly with a specific upstream's version 100% of the time, including w/-rc and -git builds. Wish everyone would do the same... > 3. the firmware files for my specific card (acx) wasn't there > in /lib/firmare/`uname -r` iirc, acx is some Texas Instruments card, with a driver of questionable origin, which is why neither the driver nor the firmware are in the upstream kernel. Maybe it was just the firmware that had issues, can't recall offhand. No,I think John Linville (wireless tree maintainer) mentioned something about a viable, upstreamable driver *maybe* coming soon, because some of the Google phones use an acx chipset... -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From andrew at becherer.org Mon Dec 29 22:02:46 2008 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:58:57 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <1230093954.30224.6.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> <4951A6A4.3030002@becherer.org> <1230093954.30224.6.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <1230616966.17287.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 23:45 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 19:04 -0800, Andrew Becherer wrote: > > I'm looking at getting a netbook for home use. I'm looking at the Lenovo > > S10 or Acer Aspire One. > > While both are cool machines I think the build > > quality was better on the S10. I like the 1280x768 resolution of the HP > > 2133 but there is something about the 2133 keyboard I don't like > > (besides the fact they all have undersized keyboards). > I'd assume the Lenovo S10 build quality is indeed a bit better than the > Acer Aspire One, and if I didn't already have an AAO, I'd probably be > inclined to get the S10 instead > The SSD is slow as hell, which sucks if you're > doing package updates and whatnot, but for surfing, email, shell, > supertux, and the occasional movie, its pretty good. I picked up the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 at the Fry's in Renton this weekend. I bought the lower end model with 80 GB HDD and 512 MB of RAM. I immediately upgraded the RAM to 2 GB for $20. Installing was very easy, just 2 screws. The whole package was $369 +tax. I just set up a USB drive to do a Fedora 10 install. Eventually I plan on performing 3 upgrades: - 6 cell battery ($70 right now) - Atheros internal Wifi for wireless pen testing (around $30) - Intel 80 GB solid state (X18-M) or equivalent ($500 now, much cheaper when I plan to buy) I chose the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 because of the better build quality, ease of upgrading components and matte screen. The major downsides are a Broadcom wireless card and some difficulty in getting the audio hardware working. I'll update the list once I have Linux up and running on the device. -- Andrew Becherer From jarod at wilsonet.com Mon Dec 29 23:07:15 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:03:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <1230616966.17287.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> <4951A6A4.3030002@becherer.org> <1230093954.30224.6.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <1230616966.17287.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <85C39F5D-B329-4B1E-9890-E68DD49C5209@wilsonet.com> On Dec 30, 2008, at 01:02, Andrew Becherer wrote: > On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 23:45 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: >> On Tue, 2008-12-23 at 19:04 -0800, Andrew Becherer wrote: > >>> I'm looking at getting a netbook for home use. I'm looking at the >>> Lenovo >>> S10 or Acer Aspire One. > >>> While both are cool machines I think the build >>> quality was better on the S10. I like the 1280x768 resolution of >>> the HP >>> 2133 but there is something about the 2133 keyboard I don't like >>> (besides the fact they all have undersized keyboards). > >> I'd assume the Lenovo S10 build quality is indeed a bit better than >> the >> Acer Aspire One, and if I didn't already have an AAO, I'd probably be >> inclined to get the S10 instead > >> The SSD is slow as hell, which sucks if you're >> doing package updates and whatnot, but for surfing, email, shell, >> supertux, and the occasional movie, its pretty good. > > I picked up the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 at the Fry's in Renton this > weekend. > I bought the lower end model with 80 GB HDD and 512 MB of RAM. I > immediately upgraded the RAM to 2 GB for $20. Installing was very > easy, > just 2 screws. The whole package was $369 +tax. Ah, Fry's, one of the many places around Seattle I definitely miss... Only up side shopping-wise here is that I'm 5 minutes from the NH border, and everything on the other side of it is tax-free... The new HP mini (not the 2133, its a new atom-based one) is on sale at both Costco and Best Buy for ~$400, looks comparable to the Lenovo in terms of build quality, a little bit of a step up over the AAO. (Interestingly, both are also selling the AAO -- Costco the HD/XP version, Best Buy the SSD/Linux version). > I just set up a USB drive to do a Fedora 10 install. > > Eventually I plan on performing 3 upgrades: > > - 6 cell battery ($70 right now) Yeah, I really ought to look into the 6-cell for the AAO. The stock 3- cell only makes it about 2hr. > - Atheros internal Wifi for wireless pen testing (around $30) If possible (and not egregiously more expensive), I'd get Intel instead. I pulled the (perfectly functional) Atheros card out of my AAO for an Intel card. The Atheros was b/g, the Intel was a/b/g/n, probably wouldn't have bothered if I didn't already have the Intel card and didn't already have to crack open the case to upgrade the memory. The Lenovo definitely sounds MUCH easier to get inside of. Its a bit of an ordeal w/the AAO. > - Intel 80 GB solid state (X18-M) or equivalent ($500 now, much > cheaper > when I plan to buy) This would be another area the Lenovo excels over the AAO -- the AAO uses an old IDE interface to a tiny little SSD, most of the faster SATA SSD and even the IDE SSD one can purchase right now wouldn't actually work in it. > I chose the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 because of the better build quality, > ease > of upgrading components and matte screen. They're not glossy LED backlit ones? I had the impression they were. Huh. > The major downsides are a Broadcom wireless card Yeah, those mostly suck. I've had mixed success with two different 802.11n Broadcom cards in my possession. The older b/g card in my PowerBook works great w/the b43 driver, but the newer stuff only works with either ndiswrapper or Broadcom's hybrid_wl driver. And I use the term "works" loosely. The card in my AppleTV actually worked great w/ ndiswrapper last time I had it up and running under Linux. The (almost identical) Broadcom n card in my Mac Mini (heisted from my Dell Studio Hybrid) works miserably with both ndiswrapper and the hybrid_wl driver (but works flawlessly under Mac OS X). Haven't tried the latest hybrid_wl release from a week or two ago yet though. > and some difficulty in getting the audio hardware > working. I'll update the list once I have Linux up and running on the > device. Undoubtedly yet another variant snd-intel-hda... That driver is a bloody mess... -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From andrew at becherer.org Mon Dec 29 23:16:46 2008 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Mon Dec 29 23:12:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: <85C39F5D-B329-4B1E-9890-E68DD49C5209@wilsonet.com> References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812221600h61023486t8ddef3441992f41e@mail.gmail.com> <200812222113.38102.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1230051790.3794.20.camel@xenon.bos.redhat.com> <49518C67.5030200@gmail.com> <4951A6A4.3030002@becherer.org> <1230093954.30224.6.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <1230616966.17287.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <85C39F5D-B329-4B1E-9890-E68DD49C5209@wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <1230621406.4528.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 02:07 -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Dec 30, 2008, at 01:02, Andrew Becherer wrote: > > I chose the Lenovo IdeaPad S10 because of the better build quality, > > ease > > of upgrading components and matte screen. > > They're not glossy LED backlit ones? I had the impression they were. > Huh. The Lenovo IdeaPad S10 has a 10" matte LED backlit screen. Still 1024x600 but most Netbooks (with the notable exception of the HP 2133) are 1024x600. -- Andrew From sweetandy at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 14:51:35 2008 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:47:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] how do you view a locked ppt In-Reply-To: <579852.16690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <579852.16690.qm@web57606.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I know this is a Linux list, but it's interesting to note that Keynote, the Apple presentation software, also thinks the file is encrypted. Same underlying code? Who knows. --Andrew Gray On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:39 AM, Donald G wrote: > attached is an example of a locked ppt. Anyone know how to view it? > When you load it in power point, a dialog box opens and asks for > either the password, or if you want to "read only". This simply > says OO does not support password encrypted files, which it is NOT > example.ppt>_______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081230/9a8d131e/attachment.html From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 15:00:18 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Tue Dec 30 14:55:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Anthony Chitwood wrote: > I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time > I don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch > base and see if anyone had some good suggestions. > > I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops > anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name > one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. > My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several > non-mainstream brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their > prices seemed a bit higher for comparable specs as the Dell. > > My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and > how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues > with this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty > I purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd > party company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has > kept me a litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the > economy the way it is. > > Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me > decide which way I need to go? Purchase with a CC and then if there is a problrm just report it and get your money back. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From paul.bartell at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 15:40:09 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Tue Dec 30 15:36:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New Laptop In-Reply-To: References: <495028DA.7020306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812301540i52c55113o18fcc40e9430fc5b@mail.gmail.com> Eh that doesnt always work... Amex just absorbed the $40 from my dell fiasco, which didn't seem right to me. On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Travis wrote: > Anthony Chitwood wrote: >> >> I am looking at buying a new laptop and wanted to make sure this time >> I don't have to fight to get things working, so I wanted to touch >> base and see if anyone had some good suggestions. >> >> I see from the list that Lenovo doesn't offer their Suse laptops >> anymore, so I was looking at Dell's XPS M1530 as its the only big name >> one I found with the WUXGA screens (I like the resolution fairly high. >> My curent 17" is at 1920x1200). I have looked at several >> non-mainstream brands such as Systems76 and a few others but their >> prices seemed a bit higher for comparable specs as the Dell. >> >> My last 2 laptops have been Sager's, and while I love the laptops and >> how much more you get for the prices, I had serious support issues >> with this last one. Not with Sager itself, but the extended warranty >> I purchased was not worth the paper it was written on when the 3rd >> party company that issues the warranties went bankrupt. That has >> kept me a litle shy of the smaller companies especially with the >> economy the way it is. >> >> Any thoughts, suggestions, experiences, etc...that might help me >> decide which way I need to go? > > Purchase with a CC and then if there is a problrm just report it and get > your money back. > -- > > Travis in Shoreline Washington > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From emeriz at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 16:32:16 2008 From: emeriz at gmail.com (Anthony Chitwood) Date: Tue Dec 30 16:28:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general]New Laptop Message-ID: <69e2e9b70812301632i2afd569duc282c75706ebb296@mail.gmail.com> I think I have it narrowed down to three WSXGA+ 15" laptops, and a WUXGA+ one. I have a 17" now and its a bit bigger than is comfortable to cart around, and on the smaller screen I don't know if the WUXGA is absolutely necessary. So, it's either Lenovo's T500. SL500, or W500 (still trying to see the differences there but leaning towards the W500) or the ZaReason Strata 5220. Thanks, Anthony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081230/b8fe260d/attachment.html From ashex at chipnick.com Tue Dec 30 18:31:53 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Tue Dec 30 18:35:01 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general]New Laptop In-Reply-To: <69e2e9b70812301632i2afd569duc282c75706ebb296@mail.gmail.com> References: <69e2e9b70812301632i2afd569duc282c75706ebb296@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1370205514-1230690713-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2030574457-@bxe340.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Just my two cents, I own a 15" widescreen laptop and unless you always plan on using it on a desk, its a bit bulky Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: "Anthony Chitwood" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:32:16 To: GSLUG Subject: Re:[Gslug-general]New Laptop _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From fcp at wittykids.com Wed Dec 31 07:00:45 2008 From: fcp at wittykids.com (Frank Paterra) Date: Wed Dec 31 07:03:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers Message-ID: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> They are sold at costco for cheap but I'm wondering if they are cheap because they are crap or cheap because its costco. Anyone have an idea or opinion? Thanks! -- Frank Paterra fcp@wittykids.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081231/540f28c6/attachment.htm From paul.bartell at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 10:19:57 2008 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:15:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers In-Reply-To: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> References: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> I'd say you have nothing to loose. Costco has a very nice return policy. IF anything goes wrong within 30 days or something, or you dont like it, they will take it back, no questions asked. (or so they say) On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Frank Paterra wrote: > They are sold at costco for cheap but I'm wondering if they are cheap > because they are crap or cheap because its costco. Anyone have an idea or > opinion? > > Thanks! > > -- > Frank Paterra > fcp@wittykids.com > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From fcp at wittykids.com Wed Dec 31 10:22:39 2008 From: fcp at wittykids.com (Frank Paterra) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:24:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> References: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39295f3a0812311022s2f3fb890hd95cfed396383fcd@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Paul, that's kind of my feeling as well but if anyone has any horror stories (or major happiness stories) those would be great to hear as well. Frank On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Paul Bartell wrote: > I'd say you have nothing to loose. Costco has a very nice return > policy. IF anything goes wrong within 30 days or something, or you > dont like it, they will take it back, no questions asked. (or so they > say) > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Frank Paterra wrote: > > They are sold at costco for cheap but I'm wondering if they are cheap > > because they are crap or cheap because its costco. Anyone have an idea > or > > opinion? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -- > > Frank Paterra > > fcp@wittykids.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: > "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff > > "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer > sentence." - The History Boys > -- Frank Paterra fcp@wittykids.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081231/4fcc3e1f/attachment-0001.html From technoshaman at liawol.org Wed Dec 31 10:25:12 2008 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Wed Dec 31 10:49:57 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> References: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081231182512.GC28505@liawol.org> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:19:57AM -0800, Paul Bartell wrote: >I'd say you have nothing to loose. Costco has a very nice return >policy. IF anything goes wrong within 30 days or something, or you >dont like it, they will take it back, no questions asked. (or so they >say) T'other thing to do, if they have them on display, is to walk up to one, stick a (k)Ubuntu disk/USB key in it, and reboot it, and see what happens. I did this at Fry's when they were selling those little ... Linspire? Some off-brand-distro-or-other... boxen... just to make sure they weren't running some wonko driver... they weren't. The box is still running happily. :) -- Glenn >On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 7:00 AM, Frank Paterra wrote: >> They are sold at costco for cheap but I'm wondering if they are cheap >> because they are crap or cheap because its costco. Anyone have an idea or >> opinion? >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> Frank Paterra >> fcp@wittykids.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > >-- >Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: >"Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff > >"At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer >sentence." - The History Boys >_______________________________________________ >Gslug-general mailing list >Gslug-general@gslug.org >http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Glenn R. Stone, technoshaman@liawol.org | .~. Geek by Nature RHCE, Technomage, Linux and other Mysteries | / V \ -------------- There ARE no dress rehearsals. We ARE | /( )\ Linux by Choice professionals, and this IS the Big Time. | ^^-^^ From dhwilder at gmail.com Wed Dec 31 20:54:38 2008 From: dhwilder at gmail.com (Dan Wilder) Date: Wed Dec 31 20:50:37 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers In-Reply-To: <39295f3a0812311022s2f3fb890hd95cfed396383fcd@mail.gmail.com> References: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> <39295f3a0812311022s2f3fb890hd95cfed396383fcd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090101045438.GA14654@catfish> > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Paul Bartell wrote: > > > I'd say you have nothing to loose. Costco has a very nice return > > policy. IF anything goes wrong within 30 days or something, or you > > dont like it, they will take it back, no questions asked. (or so they > > say) It's true. They will. I returned a TV that failed out of the box, approaching the counter prepared to give an account. The the counterperson didn't even give me a chance -- just looked at the receipt, lifted the TV into a container, and handed me a wad of cash. With a smile. -- Dan Wilder