From freelocke at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 08:37:09 2008 From: freelocke at gmail.com (John Locke) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:56:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E39925.3040000@gmail.com> Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > >> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats >> basically linux. Unix-like. >> > > REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean "POSIX". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > Actually, I can confirm that REI is not a Linux shop. I have a friend who's one of their IT leads, and they've been moving everything to Windows, aside from a thriving group of Mac users. My friend does nothing but Mac support these days... but the vast majority of the company uses Windows. They are piloting a bit of Linux here and there, though, so there is some hope... Not sure what their POS system uses, but my guess is that probably used to be AIX and is being moved to Windows... We support Linux servers at around 40 companies pretty directly these days. None, unfortunately (besides us) uses Linux desktops on a regular basis. We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't stick--along with some pretty sophisticated Excel spreadsheets they shared with clients that wouldn't convert to OpenOffice... (spreadsheets or clients...) Cheers, -- John Locke Manager, Freelock Computing The Open Source for Business Solutions Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/freelock http://www.freelock.com From frcaen at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 09:30:02 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Wed Oct 1 09:28:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E39925.3040000@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <48E39925.3040000@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840810010930k3ce8e0a5sa5b43e0a55c3d9d1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:37 AM, John Locke wrote: > We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin > clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't > stick-- John, why do you think these users weren't happy with the thin linux client connected to a central terminal server model? They could run Quickbooks and Excel on the server just the same, right? -- Francois Caen From lists at forevermore.net Wed Oct 1 10:26:42 2008 From: lists at forevermore.net (Chris Petersen) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:29:50 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Job: Perl/SQL/Web Developer with iFloor.com Message-ID: <48E3B2D2.9060100@forevermore.net> Posting this as a favor to fill the position I just left. iFloor's a great company to work for, and the work is pretty interesting/challenging, with a lot of opportunity for developer input into design decisions, etc. Please reply to if you're interested. -Chris == Description == iFLOOR started back in 1998 and grew into the largest online retailer of flooring in the country. In an effort to grow the business even further, iFLOOR has rolled out 38 stores across 16 states over the past 2 years. iFLOOR has strong growth potential. It is privately held and venture backed. iFLOOR runs off a proprietary business software package called Parsimony. Parsimony is developed in Perl and is responsible for all critical business operations including sales, ordering, fulfillment, inventory control, customer relationship management, statistics, website operations, time keeping, and accounting. Parsimony is responsible for the success of the company and enables others to do their job. == Requirements == We're looking to take Parsimony to the next level and are seeking a Front End Software Developer to get it there. You should: * Have strong business judgment. You will be interacting with senior level management to understand their problems and develop solutions that address their needs. If you understand the business value of the code you're writing, that will help immensely. * Be proficient in Perl. Parsimony is written in Perl and at the time of this job description is almost 350,000 lines of Perl. Even if you choose to write something in another language, you'll need to be able to read everything that the original code base does and understand it. * Be familiar with SQL. Parsimony relies on an SQL database for its backend storage. You should be familiar enough with SQL or willing to pick it up. * Be comfortable in a Linux environment. All software is developed in Linux. * Experience with Subversion, Template Toolkit and other development tools. * Understanding of SEO and SEO fundamentals. == There are many benefits to working at iFLOOR: == * Fast development cycles. iFLOOR is a startup and you're surrounded by people that are willing to try new things. If you're looking to develop something and launch quickly, then iFLOOR is the place for you. * High impact. Parsimony enables people throughout the company to do their job. As such, any development that you do is valued and helps drive the business even further. * Empowerment: You will work on the front end side of Parsimony which drives iFLOOR.com and web sales. * Solid foundation. Despite being a startup, there is an IT group in place that handles networking, data center, and helpdesk. You won't be troubleshooting the basics which will allow you to focus on development. From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 1 19:13:28 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:11:39 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE In-Reply-To: <20081001172956.16DCD6EB@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <216491.77260.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Jack: I am using this in Beijing China.? After MUCH discussion with the engineer, it turns out to be a bug in the software.? Apparently, Suse is new to China with PPPoE, so I guess I am the guinee pig for Suse.? The issue was elevated to level 3 and is now being examined at the head Suse office in Neurenberg (if I got all my facts straight).? One thing for sure, Suse is VERY userfriendly.? (please don't tell me I have to type something in at the command line, if I do, I send it? back to redesign)?? So it may take a few more days to resolve. other notes of interest: If I understand correctly, Federor and Ubunto and the two most popular distros.? The Suse tech told me that Suse is geared for the business and home user such as myself (I have a degree in electrical engineering; and teach business and finance at the local English school in Beijing China if you can believe that).? He said that Ubunto and Federor was geared to the techical people.?? Is that correct? Donald --- On Wed, 10/1/08, gslug-general-request@gslug.org wrote: From: gslug-general-request@gslug.org Subject: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1 To: gslug-general@gslug.org Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 10:29 AM Send Gslug-general mailing list submissions to gslug-general@gslug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ifokr.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gslug-general-request@gslug.org You can reach the person managing the list at gslug-general-owner@gslug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gslug-general digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Rob Willenberg) 2. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) 3. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) 4. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) 5. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Ian Gallagher) 6. Re: Businesses that use Linux (John Locke) 7. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Francois Caen) 8. Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE (Jack) 9. Job: Perl/SQL/Web Developer with iFloor.com (Chris Petersen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:05:27 -0700 From: Rob Willenberg Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: james michael Cc: "gslug-general@gslug.org" Message-ID: <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael wrote: > Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and > nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux > uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of computer > of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. > > Francois Caen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael > > wrote: >> >>> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats >>> basically >>> linux. Unix-like. >>> >> Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open >> Software... >> :-) >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/1aa1794c/attachment.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:31:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Wolber Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: Paul Bartell Cc: james michael , "gslug-general@gslug.org" Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Paul Bartell wrote: > A surprising number of POS systems are linux based. You might also > mention that Airplane Entertainment systems run on linux (it was a good > day to see a penguin while the screen in the seatback was lighting up) I can vouch for the fact that Linux is on more than just IFE (In-Flight Entertainment) systems. Adam Monsen and I developed the embedded Linux operating system for an airplane based router that's flying on more than a few Boeing 777-300 aircraft. ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Wolber Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: james michael Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > basically linux. Unix-like. REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean "POSIX". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:26:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Wolber Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: james michael Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > from the 70's on it. When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:35:19 -0700 From: "Ian Gallagher" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: "Chuck Wolber" Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org, james michael Message-ID: <4b5c15340809302235h3b9ea638g4c8ce574b08cb773@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Does anyone know of any companies using Linux on the desktop that fit this non-technical description? I think with the ways Linux is going now a days, that's the (one of the) intended purpose, so it'd be great to see that in the field somewhere. I'm by no means discounting the fact that Linux is in use in many of these "behind the scenes" areas, that's great, but part of it's greatness is also due to the fact that it can perform perfectly with no one knowing it's there, that it's Linux, or otherwise. Conscious use of Linux from day-to-day in a business would be another story, which I hope we can uncover. I know there was a talk a while back from a couple who setup their Attorney's office with all Linux - could the two of you chime in here and recap how all of that's working out for you? Thanks! -Ian On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix > > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux > > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > > from the 70's on it. > > When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > > -- > http://www.quantumlinux.com > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > -Amanda Bloom > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/f403d7a7/attachment.html ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:37:09 -0700 From: John Locke Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: Chuck Wolber Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org, james michael Message-ID: <48E39925.3040000@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > >> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats >> basically linux. Unix-like. >> > > REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean "POSIX". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > Actually, I can confirm that REI is not a Linux shop. I have a friend who's one of their IT leads, and they've been moving everything to Windows, aside from a thriving group of Mac users. My friend does nothing but Mac support these days... but the vast majority of the company uses Windows. They are piloting a bit of Linux here and there, though, so there is some hope... Not sure what their POS system uses, but my guess is that probably used to be AIX and is being moved to Windows... We support Linux servers at around 40 companies pretty directly these days. None, unfortunately (besides us) uses Linux desktops on a regular basis. We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't stick--along with some pretty sophisticated Excel spreadsheets they shared with clients that wouldn't convert to OpenOffice... (spreadsheets or clients...) Cheers, -- John Locke Manager, Freelock Computing The Open Source for Business Solutions Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/freelock http://www.freelock.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:02 -0700 From: "Francois Caen" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux To: gslug-general@gslug.org Message-ID: <58cfe2840810010930k3ce8e0a5sa5b43e0a55c3d9d1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:37 AM, John Locke wrote: > We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin > clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't > stick-- John, why do you think these users weren't happy with the thin linux client connected to a central terminal server model? They could run Quickbooks and Excel on the server just the same, right? -- Francois Caen ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:29:16 -0700 From: "Jack" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] connecting to internet with PPPoE To: gslug-general@gslug.org Message-ID: <200809302229.16677.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Tuesday 30 September 2008 05:30:20 pm Donald G wrote: > I have Suse SLED v 10.? I have a PPPoE connection that requires user name > and password.? How do I connect to internet? > > I found the following help file, however, It is written for linux > engineers. Can someone translate? > > http://lifestory-eng.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-connect-to-internet-by-ppp >oe-kde.html If you are using debian/ubuntu (maybe others, but I know in debian and ubuntu), you can use the pppoeconf package. I use it to connect to Qwest DSL. Just install the package and run "pppoeconf", and it'll set it all up for you. (note: pppoeconf must be run from the command line) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:26:42 -0700 From: Chris Petersen Subject: [Gslug-general] Job: Perl/SQL/Web Developer with iFloor.com To: gslug-general@gslug.org Message-ID: <48E3B2D2.9060100@forevermore.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Posting this as a favor to fill the position I just left. iFloor's a great company to work for, and the work is pretty interesting/challenging, with a lot of opportunity for developer input into design decisions, etc. Please reply to if you're interested. -Chris == Description == iFLOOR started back in 1998 and grew into the largest online retailer of flooring in the country. In an effort to grow the business even further, iFLOOR has rolled out 38 stores across 16 states over the past 2 years. iFLOOR has strong growth potential. It is privately held and venture backed. iFLOOR runs off a proprietary business software package called Parsimony. Parsimony is developed in Perl and is responsible for all critical business operations including sales, ordering, fulfillment, inventory control, customer relationship management, statistics, website operations, time keeping, and accounting. Parsimony is responsible for the success of the company and enables others to do their job. == Requirements == We're looking to take Parsimony to the next level and are seeking a Front End Software Developer to get it there. You should: * Have strong business judgment. You will be interacting with senior level management to understand their problems and develop solutions that address their needs. If you understand the business value of the code you're writing, that will help immensely. * Be proficient in Perl. Parsimony is written in Perl and at the time of this job description is almost 350,000 lines of Perl. Even if you choose to write something in another language, you'll need to be able to read everything that the original code base does and understand it. * Be familiar with SQL. Parsimony relies on an SQL database for its backend storage. You should be familiar enough with SQL or willing to pick it up. * Be comfortable in a Linux environment. All software is developed in Linux. * Experience with Subversion, Template Toolkit and other development tools. * Understanding of SEO and SEO fundamentals. == There are many benefits to working at iFLOOR: == * Fast development cycles. iFLOOR is a startup and you're surrounded by people that are willing to try new things. If you're looking to develop something and launch quickly, then iFLOOR is the place for you. * High impact. Parsimony enables people throughout the company to do their job. As such, any development that you do is valued and helps drive the business even further. * Empowerment: You will work on the front end side of Parsimony which drives iFLOOR.com and web sales. * Solid foundation. Despite being a startup, there is an IT group in place that handles networking, data center, and helpdesk. You won't be troubleshooting the basics which will allow you to focus on development. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.ifokr.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general End of Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1 ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081001/47c7005e/attachment-0001.htm From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Wed Oct 1 22:41:34 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Wed Oct 1 22:39:47 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE In-Reply-To: <216491.77260.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20081001172956.16DCD6EB@drowsy.ifokr.org> <216491.77260.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810012241.34268.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Wednesday 01 October 2008 07:13:28 pm Donald G wrote: > Hi Jack: I am using this in Beijing China.? After MUCH discussion with the > engineer, it turns out to be a bug in the software.? Apparently, Suse is > new to China with PPPoE, so I guess I am the guinee pig for Suse.? The > issue was elevated to level 3 and is now being examined at the head Suse > office in Neurenberg (if I got all my facts straight).? One thing for sure, > Suse is VERY userfriendly.? (please don't tell me I have to type something > in at the command line, if I do, I send it? back to redesign)?? So it may > take a few more days to resolve. > > other notes of interest: If I understand correctly, Federor and Ubunto and > the two most popular distros.? The Suse tech told me that Suse is geared > for the business and home user such as myself (I have a degree in > electrical engineering; and teach business and finance at the local English > school in Beijing China if you can believe that).? He said that Ubunto and > Federor was geared to the techical people.?? Is that correct? Donald > > > > > --- On Wed, 10/1/08, gslug-general-request@gslug.org > wrote: From: > gslug-general-request@gslug.org Subject: > Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 1 > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Date: Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 10:29 AM > > Send Gslug-general mailing list submissions to > gslug-general@gslug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.ifokr.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gslug-general-request@gslug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gslug-general-owner@gslug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gslug-general digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Rob Willenberg) > 2. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) > 3. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) > 4. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Chuck Wolber) > 5. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Ian Gallagher) > 6. Re: Businesses that use Linux (John Locke) > 7. Re: Businesses that use Linux (Francois Caen) > 8. Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE (Jack) > 9. Job: Perl/SQL/Web Developer with iFloor.com (Chris Petersen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:05:27 -0700 > From: Rob Willenberg > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: james michael > Cc: "gslug-general@gslug.org" > Message-ID: <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael > > wrote: > > Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and > > nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux > > uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of computer > > of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. > > > > Francois Caen wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > >>> > >>> basically > >>> linux. Unix-like. > >> > >> Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open > >> Software... > >> > >> :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/1aa1794 >c/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:31:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chuck Wolber > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: Paul Bartell > Cc: james michael > , "gslug-general@gslug.org" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Paul Bartell wrote: > > A surprising number of POS systems are linux based. You might also > > mention that Airplane Entertainment systems run on linux (it was a good > > day to see a penguin while the screen in the seatback was lighting up) > > I can vouch for the fact that Linux is on more than just IFE (In-Flight > Entertainment) systems. Adam Monsen and I developed the embedded Linux > operating system for an airplane based router that's flying on more than a > few Boeing 777-300 aircraft. > > ..Chuck.. > > -- > http://www.quantumlinux.com > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > -Amanda Bloom > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chuck Wolber > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: james michael > Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > > basically linux. Unix-like. > > REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean > "POSIX". > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > -- > http://www.quantumlinux.com > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > -Amanda Bloom > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:26:42 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chuck Wolber > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: james michael > Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix > > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux > > > > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > > from the 70's on it. > > When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > > -- > http://www.quantumlinux.com > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > -Amanda Bloom > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:35:19 -0700 > From: "Ian Gallagher" > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: "Chuck Wolber" > Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org, james michael > Message-ID: > <4b5c15340809302235h3b9ea638g4c8ce574b08cb773@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Does anyone know of any companies using Linux on the desktop that fit this > non-technical description? I think with the ways Linux is going now a days, > that's the (one of the) intended purpose, so it'd be great to see that > in > the field somewhere. > > I'm by no means discounting the fact that Linux is in use in many of these > "behind the scenes" areas, that's great, but part of it's > greatness is also > due to the fact that it can perform perfectly with no one knowing it's > there, that it's Linux, or otherwise. Conscious use of Linux from > day-to-day > in a business would be another story, which I hope we can uncover. > > I know there was a talk a while back from a couple who setup their > Attorney's office with all Linux - could the two of you chime in here and > recap how all of that's working out for you? > > > Thanks! > -Ian > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Chuck Wolber > > wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget > > unix > > > > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then > > linux > > > > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > > > from the 70's on it. > > > > When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > > > ..Chuck.. > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.quantumlinux.com > > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > > -Amanda Bloom > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/f403d7a >7/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:37:09 -0700 > From: John Locke > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: Chuck Wolber > Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org, james michael > Message-ID: <48E39925.3040000@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Chuck Wolber wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > >> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > >> basically linux. Unix-like. > > > > REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean > > "POSIX". > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > > > ..Chuck.. > > Actually, I can confirm that REI is not a Linux shop. I have a friend > who's one of their IT leads, and they've been moving everything to > Windows, aside from a thriving group of Mac users. My friend does > nothing but Mac support these days... but the vast majority of the > company uses Windows. They are piloting a bit of Linux here and there, > though, so there is some hope... Not sure what their POS system uses, > but my guess is that probably used to be AIX and is being moved to > Windows... > > We support Linux servers at around 40 companies pretty directly these > days. None, unfortunately (besides us) uses Linux desktops on a regular > basis. We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin > clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't > stick--along with some pretty sophisticated Excel spreadsheets they > shared with clients that wouldn't convert to OpenOffice... (spreadsheets > or clients...) > > Cheers, > > -- > John Locke > Manager, Freelock Computing > The Open Source for Business Solutions > Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/freelock > http://www.freelock.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:30:02 -0700 > From: "Francois Caen" > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: > <58cfe2840810010930k3ce8e0a5sa5b43e0a55c3d9d1@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:37 AM, John Locke wrote: > > We tried converting an HR/accounting company to some thin > > clients, but they used Quickbooks extensively enough that it didn't > > stick-- > > John, why do you think these users weren't happy with the thin linux > client connected to a central terminal server model? They could run > Quickbooks and Excel on the server just the same, right? > > -- > Francois Caen > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:29:16 -0700 > From: "Jack" > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] connecting to internet with PPPoE > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: <200809302229.16677.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Tuesday 30 September 2008 05:30:20 pm Donald G wrote: > > I have Suse SLED v 10.? I have a PPPoE connection that requires user name > > and password.? How do I connect to internet? > > > > I found the following help file, however, It is written for linux > > engineers. Can someone translate? > > http://lifestory-eng.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-connect-to-internet-by-ppp > > >oe-kde.html > > If you are using debian/ubuntu (maybe others, but I know in debian and > ubuntu), you can use the pppoeconf package. I use it to connect to Qwest > DSL. Just install the package and run "pppoeconf", and it'll set it > all up for > you. (note: pppoeconf must be run from the command line) I can't say I have a lot of experience with Suse, but I like Ubuntu, personally. And debian. (I've found Debian is better on desktops and Ubuntu on laptops, but opinions definitely vary there) I rarely need to use the command line for anything, although I usually use it anyway because I like it better. But I only do pppoe on my LAN's server/router, which has no GUI (too much wasted resources, IMO), so I got to know the console way of doing pppoe in Debian/Ubuntu pretty well. Flavor of the month, I guess. Anyway, I suggested that method (pppoeconf) because it happens to be really easy. Sure, it's command line, but it's only one single command, with no options, no filenames, no weird syntaxes, nothing :). -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From chronomex at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 23:24:49 2008 From: chronomex at gmail.com (Duncan Smith) Date: Wed Oct 1 23:22:35 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE In-Reply-To: <200810012241.34268.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <20081001172956.16DCD6EB@drowsy.ifokr.org> <216491.77260.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810012241.34268.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <20081002062448.GB15311@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> On Wed, Oct 01, 2008 at 10:41:34PM -0700, Jack T Mudge III wrote: [ ... 400 lines omitted ... ] > I can't say I have a lot of experience with Suse, but I like Ubuntu, > personally. And debian. (I've found Debian is better on desktops and > Ubuntu on laptops, but opinions definitely vary there) I rarely need > to use the command line for anything, although I usually use it > anyway because I like it better. But I only do pppoe on my LAN's > server/router, which has no GUI (too much wasted resources, IMO), so > I got to know the console way of doing pppoe in Debian/Ubuntu pretty > well. Flavor of the month, I guess. > > Anyway, I suggested that method (pppoeconf) because it happens to be > really easy. Sure, it's command line, but it's only one single > command, with no options, no filenames, no weird syntaxes, nothing > :). That's some epic bottom-posting. Care to trim next time? And I know that this will spawn some crawling horror of a thread about mail style. I don't care. -- _____ when mccain wins the elec- /_,-,_\ Duncan Smith tion and invades iran, do we get / @ \ +1 206 279-2659 to yell "Monopoly!" and put hotels +-----+ across iraq, iran and afghanistan? From jtg at intarcorp.com Wed Oct 1 23:31:59 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Wed Oct 1 23:36:18 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: connecting to internet with PPPoE In-Reply-To: <20081002062448.GB15311@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> References: <20081001172956.16DCD6EB@drowsy.ifokr.org> <216491.77260.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810012241.34268.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <20081002062448.GB15311@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> Message-ID: <0D2B9CB2-518A-4719-8233-404369CD96CF@intarcorp.com> > And I know that this will spawn some crawling horror of a thread about > mail style. One of the meta certainties on a LUG mailing list. From jvoss at altsci.com Sat Oct 4 01:58:42 2008 From: jvoss at altsci.com (Joel R. Voss) Date: Sat Oct 4 02:01:11 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Ton of scripts I wrote Message-ID: <200810040158.42947.jvoss@altsci.com> Hi, I wanted to plug a list of scripts I wrote. I put them on the GSLUG wiki so that people could get them and help update them easier. http://www.gslug.org/index.php/User:Javantea Two are Qemu scripts from my talk earlier this year. That may help people get started in that. One is a Timidity script I wrote that can help Paul with alsa midi synth stuff. If anyone knows of better ways to do what these scripts do, please send tell via wiki or e-mail. -- Regards, Joel R. Voss http://AltSci.com From john_re at fastmail.us Sat Oct 4 06:27:00 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat Oct 4 06:33:54 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] BerkeleyTIP-GLOBAL TODAY JOIN US ONLINE Oct4 VIDEOS: Debian Akademy IRC Message-ID: <1223126820.27302.1277498491@webmail.messagingengine.com> SHORT SUMMARY: YOU ARE INVITED TO JOIN WITH US ONLINE TODAY, EITHER FROM HOME, or organize a quick get together - best at some campus location with wifi, so you can educate students. HI-LIGHTS: Debian & KDE videos at 1PM Pacific time, 4PM Eastern, etc, IRC starts 11am, VOIP is the programming project. Hope to C ya! :) ===== Whole bunch of NEW EXCITING THINGS for YOU at the GLOBAL LINUX FreeSW meeting This SATURDAY OCTOBER 4 - 1) Join from HOME, 2) Hot DEBIAN & KDE AKADEMY VIDEOS 3) PROGRAMMING PARTY = Get VOIP between local meetings http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal Join the mailing list & say "Hi". ===== Good day GNU(Linux) & FreeSW enthusiasts - :) You are INVITED to join with the friendly people at The GLOBAL, MONTHLY, SIMULTANEOUS, FREE SOFTWARE MEETING: BERKELEY-TIP-GLOBAL All FreeSW & GNU(Linux) & BSD & Etc. TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck, ProgrammingParty TIME: 11AM - 6PM PACIFIC Daylight Savings Time 2PM - 9PM EASTERN, etc. IRC: BerkeleyTIPGlobal on freenode.net VOIP: Working on creating this capability this meeting NEW - You & Everyone are invited to 1) Join from HOME, OR 2) Set up a LOCAL MEETING in your community- A GREAT place is at a local COLLEGE or UNIVERSITY. EASY TO DO - Merely meet at a WiFi cafe. - Announce on your local email list This is a FREE, NO $ COST, global event. ===== HIGHLIGHTS: ===== 1) VIDEOS/TALKS: Debconf, KDE Akademy Meet the community - introductions to people 2) _NEW:_ JOIN IN FROM ANYWHERE - EVEN FROM HOME, or FROM a COLLEGE or UNIVERSITY WITH IRC, and working toward VOIP CONFERENCING CALL 3) Welcome NEW INVITEES GNU, DEBIAN, KDE, UC Berkeley students, LUGOD & UC Davis Students ===== SCHEDULE: 11 AM - 6 PM PACIFIC Daylight Svgs. Time ===== ===== ADJUST for your LOCAL time zone ===== ===== Ex: EASTERN DST = 3 Hrs + PDST ===== ===== ie IRC Start 11 AM Pacific = 2 PM Eastern ===== 10 SETUP - LOCAL Meeting - Signs, Power, Wifi 11 SETUP - GLOBAL Communication - IRC, VOIP 12 PROG-PARTY - VOIP Dimdim Ekiga Asterisk - 1-N, N-N 100 VIDEO - DEBCONF - Introduction to meeting 130 VIDEO - Debian - 15 years and counting 230 VIDEO - AKADEMY - The KDE e.V.: Foundation for the Community 3 DISCUSSION - USE KUBUNTU 8.10, OR SWITCH TO DEBIAN? 4 PROG-PARTY - VOIP Dimdim Ekiga Asterisk - 1-N, N-N 5 UC Planning - Organize BerkTIP-G meetings at Univ of CA campuses 6 Done - closeup ===================================================================== ===== VIDEOS - TALKS HOT NEW VIDEOS FROM DEBIAN DEBCONF & KDE AKADEMY Download the files to your laptop before the meeting. Play the videos at the relevant times. Get on IRC or VOIP to discuss them with the other viewers around the globe. 100P VIDEO - Debconf - Introduction to Debconf 2008 - Debian - 15 years and counting 230P VIDEO - Akademy - The KDE e.V.: Foundation for the Community Video Download information here: http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/videos-2008-10 ===== GLOBAL COMMUNICATIONS - IRC, VOIP - 11 AM IRC Start time == !! 11AM !! SETUP TIME - should be online starting this hour NOTE: ONLINE MEETINGS STARTS AT 11 AM, NOT 10 AM This gives the local group 1 hour to do local setup. IRC CHANNEL - BerkeleyTIPGlobal on Freenode.net == VOIP - 1) Dimdim.com ? - VOIP conference in Firefox + Adobe Flash 2) or try Ekiga? or Asterisk? This meeting will be our first attempt to get VOIP going. VOIP capability is the group Programming/Development/Progress Project for this meeting. We will be working together to get this capability working for the global meeting. ===== PROGRAMMING PARTY Work on getting VOIP working between meeting locations, including individual participants from home. We'll be trying & testing: 1) Dimdim.com - One to Many (1-N) net meeting service using Firefox & Adobe Flash 2) Asterisk - Red Hat Infrastructure team has new VOIP capability, I think using Asterisk & donated hosting from Digium??? We'll investigate this technology. 3) Ekiga - Can this be used for 1-N? N-N? How? Server needed? What SW? ===== JOIN FROM HOME - NEW ; OR, SETUP A LOCAL MEETING NEW this meeting, we INVITE everyone to JOIN FROM HOME if you wish. This is an easy way to get started with the meeting. Or, you can organize a LOCAL MEETING & get together with your friends. Having a meeting with friends can generate much more learning, progress, community & fun. You could have a local potluck meal, too. A GREAT PLACE to have a local meeting is at a COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY. It can be at a WiFi cafe. It's great to INVITE the STUDENTS there to attend - it HELPS them LEARN about Linux & Free Software, and - it keeps the community UP TO DATE on the NEW THINGS STUDENTS are DOING. ===== NEW INVITEES - Welcome the new invitees this month: 1) GNU PROJECT 2) DEBIAN DISTRO 3) KDE GUI PROJECT 4) University of California Berkeley CS & EE & Engineering students 5) LUGOD, including U. C. Davis students ===== BE SELF SUFFICIENT - BRING ALL EQUIPMENT YOU NEED If you attend a local meeting, be sure to bring everyting you need: Laptop, power supply, extra power extension cord / power splitter, WiFi? ethernet cable? networking hub or router? ===================================================================== JOIN the MAILING LIST for the BerkeleyTIP-Global meeting & say "Hi". Tell us if you'll attend the meeting from home, or if you'll set up a local meeting. Or, ask any questions. I hope to hear from you on the mailing list, & at the meeting on IRC & VOIP. :) From nano2x at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 01:50:27 2008 From: nano2x at gmail.com (NaNO2x) Date: Mon Oct 6 01:48:26 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm Message-ID: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, I know that this is a bit late but there will be a meeting this month on Saturday, October 11th, 2008. As of now we have no talks so please sign up, we are interested in what you have to say. Speakeasy has offered us space again this month so the meeting will be held there. For those of you who need the address again, it is: Speakeasy, Inc. 1201 Western Ave, Seattle WA The meeting will be held in a conference room on the 7th floor and someone will be in the lobby to show you in. Just let them know you are there for GSLUG. All of this information as well as a list of those signing up can be found here on the wiki: http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-10-11 If you are planning on showing up please RSVP by adding your name to the page. Also, if you are planning on giving a talk please add yourself at the time of your choice. If you have any questions please let me know. We look forward to seeing everyone this weekend. (Please forward this email to friends and other local mailing lists!) -- -William Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant. From tuxebi at gmx.de Mon Oct 6 07:22:35 2008 From: tuxebi at gmx.de (Eberhard Roloff) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:03:50 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Video weirdness with strange Xorg behavior In-Reply-To: <1840f6970807231928l7ce01039k2cbd277fd35aed3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <42dedfb00807221731k46d19916na16650ebe389f607@mail.gmail.com> <1840f6970807231928l7ce01039k2cbd277fd35aed3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Kelly Clowers wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Andrew Kane wrote: >> Hi everyone, sorry about the cross-post but I thought this might >> be equally relevant to both groups, though perhaps not particularly >> interesting to anyone but me. >> I finished building a new junk-box a couple of weeks ago- 1.1 >> GHz Athlon, 512 MB RAM, weird MSI mobo and ATI Radeon 9200. I can hear >> some of you groaning at that last ;) >> In any case, after the initial install I attempted to install >> fglrx from the repositories, not realizing that the 9200 is no longer >> supported under that version. Of course it broke Xorg, so I had to do >> a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, in order to switch to the "ati" >> driver. I did that from tty2 and removed the fglrx package immediately >> afterwards, *before* restarting X. At this point I remembered that I'm >> retarded, so I did the dpkg-reconfigure yaddayadda again and this time >> it skipped the server section entirely- I went through all the usual >> prompts about the keyboard, monitor, etc with no mention of the card. >> Then I had a look at my /etc/Xorg.conf: >> >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "Generic Keyboard" >> Driver "kbd" >> Option "XkbRules" "xorg" >> Option "XkbModel" "pc105" >> Option "XkbLayout" "us" >> EndSection >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "Configured Mouse" >> Driver "mouse" >> Option "CorePointer" >> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Device" >> Identifier "Configured Video Device" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Monitor" >> Identifier "Configured Monitor" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Screen" >> Identifier "Default Screen" >> Monitor "Configured Monitor" >> Device "Configured Video Device" >> EndSection >> >> Section "ServerLayout" >> Identifier "Default Layout" >> Screen "Default Screen" >> EndSection >> >> >> ...and I said, "WTF?" (unabbreviated, of course:) >> I fail to understand how this file is useful for anything at >> all. Have Xorg's settings for these "configured devices" moved >> elsewhere in the system? Am I an idiot for not reading the release >> notes, or a dotard for having read them and forgotten what they said? >> Anyway, I still am not sure which driver is installed in the system. >> The video works fine, glxgears reports about 250-350 FPS, OpenArena >> works, etc. Does the ati driver support 3D acceleration? I'm happy to >> have it but I was unaware that the driver provided it, and the >> performance seems a little low compared to the 8500 LE I used to run >> under fglrx back in the day. > > Nowadays, many basic configurations can run without any xorg.conf > file at all, thanks to much improved autodetection. Many, even most > of the old options still work if you need to specify things. > > You are almost certainly using the r200 accelerated 3d drivers. > Open source r100, r200 and r300 (which actually includes r400, > up to the x1050 card) drivers all do 2d acceleration, and r100/r200 > have good 3d. r300 has 3d, but it is supposedly not as good. > However, I use a Radeon 9550 (r350) and it works fine for Quake 3 > > http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon#head-bb5de723d3bee252c77ae040087d8a4d85bcd22f > http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html (2006) > http://olivermcfadden.livejournal.com/18831.html > >> Yes, I know that those old driver versions still exist >> somewhere out in the luminiferous aether, but I'm so not going there. >> Mostly I'm just happy that the bugger works, but my curiosity has been >> aroused. Also, and oddly enough, the 2D performance is more than a >> little lacking. Desktop effects in GNOME (why did I install GNOME? So >> that I could test the desktop effects ;) work but are jerky, and the >> xfce compositor works but with some strange effects- when a drop-down >> menu animates, there is about a half-second of static before the >> contents become visible. Also, playback of compressed video (flv) is >> noticeably slower than it was on another machine, a 450MHz P3 with a >> GeForce 2 MX 400 under nvidia-glx-legacy. > > I don't know much about performance tweaking, or compiz-type stuff, > but try things like XAA vs EXA acceleration. I *think* some other odd > options have an effect, such as XaaNoOffScreenPixMaps and > EnableTileFlipping. Google around, or ask your friendly neighborhood > X developer. > >> Submitted for your consideration- do y'all think this >> machine's performance would improve if I switched to a 64MB GeForce2 >> MX400, using the nvidia-glx-legacy driver? Would the putative >> performance be diminished by the use of a 32MB card (same model) >> instead? I'm not sure if the 64MB card works- I found it inside the >> machine when I opened it up, along with an old NCR SCSI card, a >> wristwatch, two 3/4'' brass washers, and about 40 pounds of dust >> bunnies. Oh, and a dime. > > I don't know enough comparative graphics-card-ology to say, > but you could try your Radeon with ATI's binary drivers. They are > better behaved than they used to be. Also keep in mind that > Radeon drivers will be lots better soon - maybe in time for Ubuntu 9.04 > 9200 imho is NOT supported by ATI Binary drivers for about two years now, iirc, You will surely get more from a Geforce 2 MX 400. The question remains, if you need more with that CPU. I would go with what your ATI offers and simply work without any accelerated effects. After all, it is work this machine is for, I assume. Kind regards Eberhard From tomamundsen at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 20:26:37 2008 From: tomamundsen at gmail.com (Thomas Amundsen) Date: Tue Oct 7 20:24:39 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] FreeBSD installworld failing Message-ID: <59a37d400810072026r8aa01ads9a684fb8f8e59353@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: installworld.out Type: application/octet-stream Size: 2859 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081007/ee153935/installworld.obj From reed at reedmedia.net Wed Oct 8 06:06:15 2008 From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed) Date: Wed Oct 8 06:04:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] FreeBSD installworld failing In-Reply-To: <59a37d400810072026r8aa01ads9a684fb8f8e59353@mail.gmail.com> References: <59a37d400810072026r8aa01ads9a684fb8f8e59353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > When I went to do 'make installworld' it failed. I'm attaching the output. > > I already posted my question on a FreeBSD forum (daemonforums.org), but I > didn't get enough useful tips to fix the problem. Someone told me to check > my kern.securelevel, but it was set to -1, which should have been fine. Then > someone said - "I think your libc.so.7 library is being installed with the * > schg* flag, so try to remove it." However, I looked at libc.so.7, and it > doesn't have that flag set. Maybe it is changing it in the installworld > script? I don't know. Your error is: > ln -fs /lib/libc.so.7 /usr/lib/libc.so > ln: /usr/lib/libc.so: Operation not permitted The error is with the target /usr/lib/libc.so. Run: ls -lo /usr/lib/libc.so If it is immutable, use the chflags tool like with nouchg. Also there is a small local BSD specific list: http://www.seabug.org/list.html From mark at foster.cc Wed Oct 8 11:55:26 2008 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Oct 8 11:53:18 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] FreeBSD installworld failing In-Reply-To: <59a37d400810072026r8aa01ads9a684fb8f8e59353@mail.gmail.com> References: <59a37d400810072026r8aa01ads9a684fb8f8e59353@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ED021E.1080506@foster.cc> Thomas Amundsen wrote: > When I went to do 'make installworld' it failed. I'm attaching the output. > > Does anyone have any ideas? You should join seabug. http://www.seabug.org/ In any case, you normally want to do make installkernel 1st and reboot, then do your make installworld. -- The more stuff you have, the less it all means. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Oct 8 18:35:47 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:33:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this time around, first time I'll be there in a year :) -Ahmed Osman On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:50 AM, NaNO2x wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I know that this is a bit late but there will be a meeting this month > on Saturday, October 11th, 2008. > > As of now we have no talks so please sign up, we are interested in > what you have to say. > > Speakeasy has offered us space again this month so the meeting will be > held there. > > For those of you who need the address again, it is: > > Speakeasy, Inc. > 1201 Western Ave, Seattle WA > > The meeting will be held in a conference room on the 7th floor and > someone will be in the lobby to show you in. Just let them know you > are there for GSLUG. > > All of this information as well as a list of those signing up can be > found here on the wiki: > http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-10-11 > > If you are planning on showing up please RSVP by adding your name to > the page. Also, if you are planning on giving a talk please add > yourself at the time of your choice. > > If you have any questions please let me know. We look forward to > seeing everyone this weekend. > > (Please forward this email to friends and other local mailing lists!) > > -- > -William > > Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/acfda43f/attachment.html From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Oct 8 18:38:03 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:35:58 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be > there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this time > around, first time I'll be there in a year :) No requests? From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Oct 8 18:49:25 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:47:22 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting up an ldap network with linux? -Ahmed Osman On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > > Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be > > there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this > time > > around, first time I'll be there in a year :) > > No requests? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/32b95d2e/attachment.htm From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Oct 8 18:55:32 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:53:25 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to > hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now > is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting > up an ldap network with linux? You've got it sir. From jcs at snowandsnow.us Wed Oct 8 19:26:15 2008 From: jcs at snowandsnow.us (Clifford Snow) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:24:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable Message-ID: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the same time, like the Comcast DVR. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Clifford From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Oct 8 19:30:28 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:28:29 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple channels, take a look here -Ahmed Osman On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and > received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a > MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. > > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. > > I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the > same time, like the Comcast DVR. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Clifford > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/f50b8481/attachment.html From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Oct 8 19:33:56 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:31:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <893823750810081933t1ef5ce40gfe7318484730dacc@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and > received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a > MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. > > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. > > I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the > same time, like the Comcast DVR. You'll can record multiple broadcasts with MythTV. You'll need a tuner card and a digital cable box for every broadcast you want to be able to record/watch at once. Generally the Hauppauge cards are good and with a dual-tuner card you can get higher densities. I've used the PVR-500 [1] in the past. Definitely use a tuner with hardware mpeg encoding. Re-encoding AVIs later sucks. If your set top box has a serial port it may be on or you may be able to convince them to turn it on, and you can tune the set top box that way. Otherwise you'll need to set up an IR transmitter for each set top box for mythtv to be able to change it's channel. Digital cable/satellite is much more hackery than MythTV with regular cable. [1] http://www.hauppauge.com/PAGES/products/data_pvr500mce.html From sjbenner at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:36:18 2008 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:34:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1b044f780810081936o771075efl27d2039170246d66@mail.gmail.com> I think the cable cards are only available as part of media systems built and distributed by HP and Dell. It is my understanding that these cards are not available for consumers to purchase on their own. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux > that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who > use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple > channels, take a look here > > -Ahmed Osman > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and >> received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a >> MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. >> >> What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's >> digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow >> 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google >> search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. >> >> I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the >> same time, like the Comcast DVR. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Clifford >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/7d0e7540/attachment-0001.htm From kormoc at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:48:50 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:46:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <456dee40810081948y3764dd8cg79d2340818a4cd6f@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. Contratz, you are in the Seattle Comcast franchise, you really should look into firewire capturing. There's a really nice writeup on mythtv's wiki, but in short, you'll get digital output of all your channels in mpeg-2 format via the firewire out of the cable box. No capture card needed. No transcoding. Pure transport stream goodness. All you need is a firewire port on the computer. You will need to rent/buy a cable box for each stream you want to record this way of course, but this does net you your HD, PPV, premium channels and the like all together. If it's a motorola box, you don't even need a ir blaster to control the box, it'll communicate via firewire with myth. It's rather slick and the better way IMHO with digital cable. From kormoc at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 19:50:05 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:47:58 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <456dee40810081950y4c3c697ib0c87760071e609@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux > that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who > use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple > channels, take a look here > > -Ahmed Osman Multirec doesn't help. You need a DVB or ATSC or similar card/stream to use it, and with the encryption on the digital cable, you can't use a card like that. From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Oct 8 19:52:03 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:49:50 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable Message-ID: <1986196675-1223520708-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-180159829-@bxe252.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Good point, I've never actually done dvr so I was just going off of articles I've looked at. ------Original Message------ From: Rob Smith Sender: To: Ahmed Osman Cc: Clifford Snow Cc: GSLUG Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable Sent: Oct 8, 2008 7:50 PM On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux > that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who > use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple > channels, take a look here > > -Ahmed Osman Multirec doesn't help. You need a DVB or ATSC or similar card/stream to use it, and with the encryption on the digital cable, you can't use a card like that. Sent Via Blackberry From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 19:53:40 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:51:36 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] talks on user interfaces? Message-ID: <545555.94996.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Have there been any talks on user interfaces? I have been wrestling with Suse v10, which is user friendly as long as you don't go into Xterminal; then you have to remember and type things like su, which means "root" (what?). Is there a user interface for the system editor so it is not so difficult to use? Any talks on linux and amateur radio (seems to be a big hole there) ----- Original Message ---- From: "gslug-general-request@gslug.org" To: gslug-general@gslug.org Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 7:34:21 PM Subject: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7 Send Gslug-general mailing list submissions to gslug-general@gslug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.ifokr.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to gslug-general-request@gslug.org You can reach the person managing the list at gslug-general-owner@gslug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Gslug-general digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm (Ahmed Osman) 2. Re: GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm (Bryan McLellan) 3. Re: GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm (Ahmed Osman) 4. Re: GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm (Bryan McLellan) 5. MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable (Clifford Snow) 6. Re: MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable (Ahmed Osman) 7. Re: MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable (Bryan McLellan) 8. Re: MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable (Josh Benner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:35:47 -0700 From: "Ahmed Osman" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm To: NaNO2x Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this time around, first time I'll be there in a year :) -Ahmed Osman On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:50 AM, NaNO2x wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I know that this is a bit late but there will be a meeting this month > on Saturday, October 11th, 2008. > > As of now we have no talks so please sign up, we are interested in > what you have to say. > > Speakeasy has offered us space again this month so the meeting will be > held there. > > For those of you who need the address again, it is: > > Speakeasy, Inc. > 1201 Western Ave, Seattle WA > > The meeting will be held in a conference room on the 7th floor and > someone will be in the lobby to show you in. Just let them know you > are there for GSLUG. > > All of this information as well as a list of those signing up can be > found here on the wiki: > http://wiki.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-10-11 > > If you are planning on showing up please RSVP by adding your name to > the page. Also, if you are planning on giving a talk please add > yourself at the time of your choice. > > If you have any questions please let me know. We look forward to > seeing everyone this weekend. > > (Please forward this email to friends and other local mailing lists!) > > -- > -William > > Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/acfda43f/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:38:03 -0700 From: "Bryan McLellan" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm To: "Ahmed Osman" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be > there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this time > around, first time I'll be there in a year :) No requests? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:49:25 -0700 From: "Ahmed Osman" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm To: "Bryan McLellan" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting up an ldap network with linux? -Ahmed Osman On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > > Would really appreciate someone willing to give a talk. I'll actually be > > there this time as I've made sure there won't be any sudden things this > time > > around, first time I'll be there in a year :) > > No requests? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/32b95d2e/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:55:32 -0700 From: "Bryan McLellan" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm To: "Ahmed Osman" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to > hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now > is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting > up an ldap network with linux? You've got it sir. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:26:15 -0700 From: Clifford Snow Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable To: GSLUG Message-ID: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the same time, like the Comcast DVR. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Clifford ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:30:28 -0700 From: "Ahmed Osman" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable To: "Clifford Snow" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple channels, take a look here -Ahmed Osman On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and > received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a > MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. > > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. > > I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the > same time, like the Comcast DVR. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Clifford > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081008/f50b8481/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:33:56 -0700 From: "Bryan McLellan" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable To: "Clifford Snow" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: <893823750810081933t1ef5ce40gfe7318484730dacc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and > received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a > MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. > > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. > > I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the > same time, like the Comcast DVR. You'll can record multiple broadcasts with MythTV. You'll need a tuner card and a digital cable box for every broadcast you want to be able to record/watch at once. Generally the Hauppauge cards are good and with a dual-tuner card you can get higher densities. I've used the PVR-500 [1] in the past. Definitely use a tuner with hardware mpeg encoding. Re-encoding AVIs later sucks. If your set top box has a serial port it may be on or you may be able to convince them to turn it on, and you can tune the set top box that way. Otherwise you'll need to set up an IR transmitter for each set top box for mythtv to be able to change it's channel. Digital cable/satellite is much more hackery than MythTV with regular cable. [1] http://www.hauppauge.com/PAGES/products/data_pvr500mce.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:36:18 -0700 From: "Josh Benner" Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable To: "Ahmed Osman" Cc: GSLUG Message-ID: <1b044f780810081936o771075efl27d2039170246d66@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think the cable cards are only available as part of media systems built and distributed by HP and Dell. It is my understanding that these cards are not available for consumers to purchase on their own. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Last I checked, there aren't any cable card interfaces available for linux > that are in the public. I'm pretty sure there are some private vendors who > use linux for a base that have a cable card though. For recording multiple > channels, take a look here > > -Ahmed Osman > > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > >> I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and >> received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a >> MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. >> >> What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's >> digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow >> 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google >> search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. >> >> I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the >> same time, like the Comcast DVR. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Clifford >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I recall some skirmish at the FCC in which I THINK that Kevin Martin and crew decreed that boxes should be commercially available, but of course, the cable companies screamed bloody murder. Then it all disappeared, and I haven't seen ads for such boxes. Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org [mailto:gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org]On Behalf Of Rob Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:49 PM To: Clifford Snow Cc: GSLUG Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's > digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow > 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google > search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. Contratz, you are in the Seattle Comcast franchise, you really should look into firewire capturing. There's a really nice writeup on mythtv's wiki, but in short, you'll get digital output of all your channels in mpeg-2 format via the firewire out of the cable box. No capture card needed. No transcoding. Pure transport stream goodness. All you need is a firewire port on the computer. You will need to rent/buy a cable box for each stream you want to record this way of course, but this does net you your HD, PPV, premium channels and the like all together. If it's a motorola box, you don't even need a ir blaster to control the box, it'll communicate via firewire with myth. It's rather slick and the better way IMHO with digital cable. _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From kmeyer at blarg.net Wed Oct 8 23:07:52 2008 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:05:56 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Here is my understanding of this severely convoluted subject. Some are hypotheses and others are pretty well established fact. The format, a la "Ethernet", that cable uses for transmission is QAM (quadrature amplitude modulation). This is not an over-the-air type format, and apparently comes in a couple of flavors itself (128, 256?). I do not believe that the ATSC component, which is the over-the-air digital tuner, spec includes QAM (though it does decode around 13 formats of SD, ED, HD, p, i, whatever formats, which is amazing). However, I think that most, if not all, HDTVs do include a QAM tuner. Infrequently, you see it called out explicitly in the specs for the set, or maybe just "cable ready"). I believe that any tuner (TV or computer bus card) that can decode analog and QAM in either SD or HD will accept the unscrambled signals from Comcast cable. OK, so it is not at all clear from the Comcast Channel line-up card, but some HD channels are available unencrypted via the so-called "basic cable" package (which is not basic -- the "limited cable" package is the basic one, if you embrace the dictionary for meanings). These are over-the-air channels that I understand are required by the FCC to be provided unscrambled in digital -- but I am pretty shaky on the details of these regulatory requirements. In any event, our Samsung 42 inch, 720p, plasma (was $800 at Costco) will display the HD versions of KING, KIRO, and a few other stations as channel 5-1, X-1 direct from the RF cable input. They are available after running the auto-tune function. If there is a video tuner card that will decode QAM HD, then that should work also. The HD channels listed under "Digital Starter" and other digital cable packages are scrambled, and you will have to have the @##!*&% $8/month decoder box and use one of its outputs to the TV -- or the PC -- to receive them. I was really pissed to learn that, because it is not explained well. Of course, if you have the Moto DCT 6200 box, it has all sorts of outputs that are available to a TV or PC tuner, including S-Vid (needs audio separately);Y, Pb, Pr component plus stereo audio, DVI, as well as RF out to your TV or PC. I assume (haven't tried it) that a TV or video card tuned to channel 3 will accept the RF output from the decoder box, and any said tuner that will decode HD-QAM input will work. I have a video card with DVI out; are there any with DVI in? I am surprised that the Firewire connections (there are two) on the 6200 provide "live" outputs. The 6200 manual that I have (I've got a PDF if you need it) doesn't talk about the Ethernet, USB, and Firewire connections on the box at all. By the way, I am using the DVI to HDMI connection from the 6200 to the TV (only one HDMI TV input handles the stereo audio separately a la DVI), and also have the RF cable connected directly to the TV via a splitter, so I can select either from the source select function (the DVD player goes to Component in #1, the camcorder to AV in #2, the VCR to AV in #1 via the Stereo Receiver, and then there are the SPDIF and Optical audio outs to the Receiver...what a freakin' mess) Interestingly, by the way, for some of the cable-only channels that transmit both analog and HD signals, the programming differs between these two formats, though it appears to be the same for most. TNT is one that I have noticed broadcasting different Law and Order programs on the analog and HD feeds. By the way, do these PVRs actually record 1080i bit-for-bit, or do they down-convert first? Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org [mailto:gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org] On Behalf Of Clifford Snow Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:26 PM To: GSLUG Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable I just upgraded my Comcast service to their digital cable product and received a free, for one year, DVR. Naturally I'd like to build a MythTV to replace the DVR by next year. What I'd like to know is does the MythTV interface with Comcast's digital cable. At one time I thought that you needed a card to allow 3rd party cable boxes to interface with Comcast. But a quick Google search doesn't seem to show any viable such products. I'd also like to know if MythTV can record multiple broadcasts at the same time, like the Comcast DVR. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Clifford From kmeyer at blarg.net Wed Oct 8 23:18:12 2008 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:16:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You mean that, even with all of the digital channels that will be available when analog channels are dumped (5 SD digital or 2.x HD digital channels = 1 analog channel's bandwidth) they are still going to make all channels essentially "on demand"??? Ken Meyer -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Sweger [mailto:andrew@sweger.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:02 PM To: Ken Meyer Cc: GSLUG Subject: RE: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable All digital cable providers must make available industry standard CableCARD stream decryption cards. This allows any TV, TiVo, cablebox, etc. to work with the encrypted channels provided by the cable company. The cable company provides the CableCARD that is provisioned to decrypt the particular channels in the customer's subscription. (Does not work with pay-per-view or video-on-demand features as I understand it.) The next wrinkle in the works will be the need for a new Switched Digital Video tuning adapter to handle the way cable providers will moving digital content in the future. Comcast is already starting to roll the adapters out in some areas. On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Ken Meyer wrote: > Can you buy a cable decoder box, and if so, will Comcast give it the data > needed to decode scrambled channels. I recall some skirmish at the FCC in > which I THINK that Kevin Martin and crew decreed that boxes should be > commercially available, but of course, the cable companies screamed bloody > murder. Then it all disappeared, and I haven't seen ads for such boxes. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From andrew at sweger.net Wed Oct 8 22:01:34 2008 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:17:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All digital cable providers must make available industry standard CableCARD stream decryption cards. This allows any TV, TiVo, cablebox, etc. to work with the encrypted channels provided by the cable company. The cable company provides the CableCARD that is provisioned to decrypt the particular channels in the customer's subscription. (Does not work with pay-per-view or video-on-demand features as I understand it.) The next wrinkle in the works will be the need for a new Switched Digital Video tuning adapter to handle the way cable providers will moving digital content in the future. Comcast is already starting to roll the adapters out in some areas. On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Ken Meyer wrote: > Can you buy a cable decoder box, and if so, will Comcast give it the data > needed to decode scrambled channels. I recall some skirmish at the FCC in > which I THINK that Kevin Martin and crew decreed that boxes should be > commercially available, but of course, the cable companies screamed bloody > murder. Then it all disappeared, and I haven't seen ads for such boxes. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From kormoc at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:23:15 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:21:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <456dee40810082223o5cdda20dl69c2382048c79982@mail.gmail.com> But due to cablecard licensing requirements, any free or open source driver implementation is out of the question, as you can not meet the DRM requirements of the system. So in short, you can get the card with your key, but Myth won't be able to use it and it doesn't seem like that will change anytime soon. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > All digital cable providers must make available industry standard > CableCARD stream decryption cards. This allows any TV, TiVo, cablebox, > etc. to work with the encrypted channels provided by the cable company. > The cable company provides the CableCARD that is provisioned to decrypt > the particular channels in the customer's subscription. (Does not work > with pay-per-view or video-on-demand features as I understand it.) > > The next wrinkle in the works will be the need for a new Switched Digital > Video tuning adapter to handle the way cable providers will moving digital > content in the future. Comcast is already starting to roll the adapters > out in some areas. From kormoc at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 22:24:00 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:21:54 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <456dee40810082224l46cf3721wa2dcf1febf8ccb16@mail.gmail.com> Actually, having hooked up a QAM on a comcast connection, I do not receive anything in the clear. It's all encrypted. That said, they by law (See http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf page 50, section 4 ) have to allow certain channels over the firewire ports unencrypted. At no point are they required to send it over the wire unencrypted. This ruling is why that 6200 you have has firewire and they have to be activated, upon your request, by comcast. Most PVR's do actually record them bit for bit, as the down-converting is quite costly cpu wise. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ken Meyer wrote: > OK, so it is not at all clear from the Comcast Channel line-up card, but > some HD channels are available unencrypted via the so-called "basic cable" > package (which is not basic -- the "limited cable" package is the basic one, > if you embrace the dictionary for meanings). These are over-the-air > channels that I understand are required by the FCC to be provided > unscrambled in digital -- but I am pretty shaky on the details of these > regulatory requirements. In any event, our Samsung 42 inch, 720p, plasma > (was $800 at Costco) will display the HD versions of KING, KIRO, and a few > other stations as channel 5-1, X-1 direct from the RF cable input. They are > available after running the auto-tune function. If there is a video tuner > card that will decode QAM HD, then that should work also. > > ... > > I am surprised that the Firewire connections (there are two) on the 6200 > provide "live" outputs. The 6200 manual that I have (I've got a PDF if you > need it) doesn't talk about the Ethernet, USB, and Firewire connections on > the box at all. > > ... > > By the way, do these PVRs actually record 1080i bit-for-bit, or do they > down-convert first? > > Ken Meyer From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Wed Oct 8 23:05:34 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Wed Oct 8 23:03:29 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> i could do a short piece on intergrating freeradius with LDAP (or SQL if i get it working tomorrow) On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: >> There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to >> hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now >> is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting >> up an ldap network with linux? > > You've got it sir. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From nano2x at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 23:25:57 2008 From: nano2x at gmail.com (NaNO2x) Date: Wed Oct 8 23:23:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> All right, well we've filled up our talks, now to fill up the ranks. Please sign up if you plan on attending, hope to see everyone there. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > i could do a short piece on intergrating freeradius with LDAP (or SQL > if i get it working tomorrow) > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: >>> There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to >>> hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now >>> is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting >>> up an ldap network with linux? >> >> You've got it sir. >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: > "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff > > "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer > sentence." - The History Boys > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- -William Utinam me logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant. From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Oct 8 23:49:18 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Oct 8 23:47:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EDA96E.1060009@chipnick.com> Before I forget, anyone who's coming to the meeting interested in a couple Winterms? The model is 3360se. One has already been modified to boot off a thumbdrive with linux on it, the other hasn't. Only have one power adapter for it though. -Ahmed NaNO2x wrote: > All right, well we've filled up our talks, now to fill up the ranks. > Please sign up if you plan on attending, hope to see everyone there. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > >> i could do a short piece on intergrating freeradius with LDAP (or SQL >> if i get it working tomorrow) >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: >>> >>>> There have been so many interesting talks already that anything I'd like to >>>> hear about has already been done. One of the things I'm working on right now >>>> is networking and unix administration, so possibly something about setting >>>> up an ldap network with linux? >>>> >>> You've got it sir. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: >> "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff >> >> "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer >> sentence." - The History Boys >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One has already been modified > to boot off a thumbdrive with linux on it, the other hasn't. Only > have one power adapter for it though. Interestingly enough, I just did this to a 3360se last weekend. They're good machines. -- _____ when mccain wins the elec- /_,-,_\ Duncan Smith tion and invades iran, do we get / @ \ +1 206 279-2659 to yell "Monopoly!" and put hotels +-----+ across iraq, iran and afghanistan? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is called SDV or Switched Digital Video. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From ashex at chipnick.com Thu Oct 9 08:47:37 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:45:36 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] GSLUG Meeting: October 11th, 2008 @ 12:00pm In-Reply-To: <20081009072559.GA26180@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> <48EDA96E.1060009@chipnick.com> <20081009072559.GA26180@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> Message-ID: They're pretty nice. Completely fanless and silent. I was planning on use it for a tiny file server of sorts, but I was never able to build a bootable functioning system with deboostrap so I gave up and they've been sitting under my bookcase for a few months. -Ahmed Osman On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Duncan Smith wrote: > On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:49:18PM -0700, Ahmed Osman wrote: > > Before I forget, anyone who's coming to the meeting interested in a > > couple Winterms? The model is 3360se. One has already been modified > > to boot off a thumbdrive with linux on it, the other hasn't. Only > > have one power adapter for it though. > > Interestingly enough, I just did this to a 3360se last weekend. > They're good machines. > > -- > _____ when mccain wins the elec- > /_,-,_\ Duncan Smith tion and invades iran, do we get > / @ \ +1 206 279-2659 to yell "Monopoly!" and put hotels > +-----+ across iraq, iran and afghanistan? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFI7bIHQGADY1yMpg0RAgaaAJ9NW/WK5ef+b3iqNethz4Ps2brd0wCfeGFf > cjN+N9r6WwMuoZQxvXnCDJQ= > =rl6v > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081009/d5007f04/attachment.htm From technoshaman at liawol.org Thu Oct 9 09:10:50 2008 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:08:46 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] winterms (was: Re: ... October 11th...) In-Reply-To: References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> <48EDA96E.1060009@chipnick.com> <20081009072559.GA26180@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> Message-ID: <20081009161050.GO13302@liawol.org> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:47:37AM -0700, Ahmed Osman wrote: > > They're pretty nice. Completely fanless and silent. I was planning on > use it for a tiny file server of sorts, but I was never able to build > a bootable functioning system with deboostrap so I gave up and they've > been sitting under my bookcase for a few months. One wonders if they have enough horsepower to do DVD playback... -- Glenn, considering building a media center pc... From ashex at chipnick.com Thu Oct 9 09:13:02 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:10:56 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] winterms (was: Re: ... October 11th...) In-Reply-To: <20081009161050.GO13302@liawol.org> References: <7609d1ab0810060150m1de9b63br41959bedcaf9ce21@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081838y4ffae81aqcb05bc58cb2d338b@mail.gmail.com> <893823750810081855k3d9a8d90i631a002411f46346@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0810082305p6c2acc2ama17ac3316d283ca5@mail.gmail.com> <7609d1ab0810082325j488b933ma66d42c8ea68461a@mail.gmail.com> <48EDA96E.1060009@chipnick.com> <20081009072559.GA26180@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> <20081009161050.GO13302@liawol.org> Message-ID: I really doubt it, the primary purpose for these thinks was as a citrix client, it can barely handle a large gif. -Ahmed Osman On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Glenn Stone wrote: > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 08:47:37AM -0700, Ahmed Osman wrote: > > > > They're pretty nice. Completely fanless and silent. I was planning on > > use it for a tiny file server of sorts, but I was never able to build > > a bootable functioning system with deboostrap so I gave up and they've > > been sitting under my bookcase for a few months. > > One wonders if they have enough horsepower to do DVD playback... > > -- Glenn, considering building a media center pc... > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081009/17674770/attachment.html From kmeyer at blarg.net Thu Oct 9 10:24:18 2008 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:22:21 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <456dee40810082223o5cdda20dl69c2382048c79982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Could you record the encrypted program and feed it to the TV with a card plugged-in, or is this some DRM that would refuse to be acquired? Let's see, if the tuner tells the card that it is set to an acceptable channel and it should decrypt, then that wouldn't work, because the output to the TV would be on Channel 3 RF, or it would be base-band anonymous on other types of input, but if the stream tells the card what channel it is, then it might work for an RF connection? Of course, it would not play on the PC monitor. This stuff is great for marketing migraine medicine. Ken M. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Smith [mailto:kormoc@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:23 PM To: Andrew Sweger Cc: Ken Meyer; GSLUG Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable But due to cablecard licensing requirements, any free or open source driver implementation is out of the question, as you cannot meet the DRM requirements of the system. So in short, you can get the card with your key, but Myth won't be able to use it, and it doesn't seem like that will change anytime soon. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > All digital cable providers must make available industry standard > CableCARD stream decryption cards. This allows any TV, TiVo, cablebox, > etc. to work with the encrypted channels provided by the cable company. > The cable company provides the CableCARD that is provisioned to decrypt > the particular channels in the customer's subscription. (Does not work > with pay-per-view or video-on-demand features as I understand it.) > > The next wrinkle in the works will be the need for a new Switched Digital > Video tuning adapter to handle the way cable providers will moving digital > content in the future. Comcast is already starting to roll the adapters > out in some areas. From kmeyer at blarg.net Thu Oct 9 10:24:17 2008 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:22:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <456dee40810082224l46cf3721wa2dcf1febf8ccb16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Then I do not understand how I can tune all of the analog channels and the SD and HD digital channels that are apparently required to be provided in the clear directly from an RF cable input without any converter box in the mix. Could there be a problem of some other sort in your QAM decoder :-) Ken M. -----Original Message----- From: gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org [mailto:gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org] On Behalf Of Rob Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:24 PM Cc: GSLUG Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable Actually, having hooked up a QAM on a comcast connection, I do not receive anything in the clear. It's all encrypted. That said, they by law (See http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf page 50, section 4 ) have to allow certain channels over the firewire ports unencrypted. At no point are they required to send it over the wire unencrypted. This ruling is why that 6200 you have has firewire and they have to be activated, upon your request, by comcast. Most PVR's do actually record them bit for bit, as the down-converting is quite costly cpu wise. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ken Meyer wrote: > OK, so it is not at all clear from the Comcast Channel line-up card, but > some HD channels are available unencrypted via the so-called "basic cable" > package (which is not basic -- the "limited cable" package is the basic one, > if you embrace the dictionary for meanings). These are over-the-air > channels that I understand are required by the FCC to be provided > unscrambled in digital -- but I am pretty shaky on the details of these > regulatory requirements. In any event, our Samsung 42 inch, 720p, plasma > (was $800 at Costco) will display the HD versions of KING, KIRO, and a few > other stations as channel 5-1, X-1 direct from the RF cable input. They are > available after running the auto-tune function. If there is a video tuner > card that will decode QAM HD, then that should work also. > > ... > > I am surprised that the Firewire connections (there are two) on the 6200 > provide "live" outputs. The 6200 manual that I have (I've got a PDF if you > need it) doesn't talk about the Ethernet, USB, and Firewire connections on > the box at all. > > ... > > By the way, do these PVRs actually record 1080i bit-for-bit, or do they > down-convert first? > > Ken Meyer _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From kormoc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:27:51 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:25:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <456dee40810082224l46cf3721wa2dcf1febf8ccb16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456dee40810090927p7a4168aao14cd432655b8bac@mail.gmail.com> It's been awhile sense I last checked. I ended up switching to Dish, as it was cheaper and had everything I needed. That said, the card worked fine, it was a QAM and ATSC hybred and I could get all the ATSC stuff just fine. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Ken Meyer wrote: > Then I do not understand how I can tune all of the analog channels and the > SD and HD digital channels that are apparently required to be provided in > the clear directly from an RF cable input without any converter box in the > mix. Could there be a problem of some other sort in your QAM decoder :-) > > Ken M. From kormoc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 09:30:06 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Oct 9 09:28:00 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <456dee40810082223o5cdda20dl69c2382048c79982@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456dee40810090930l765dc81ejc97a06cc255984bc@mail.gmail.com> My (very limited) understanding is part of the process the cable box does when switching channels is to do a key negotiation, and without that, you'll be decoding with the wrong key or it will refuse to decode at all. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Ken Meyer wrote: > Could you record the encrypted program and feed it to the TV with a card > plugged-in, or is this some DRM that would refuse to be acquired? Let's > see, if the tuner tells the card that it is set to an acceptable channel and > it should decrypt, then that wouldn't work, because the output to the TV > would be on Channel 3 RF, or it would be base-band anonymous on other types > of input, but if the stream tells the card what channel it is, then it might > work for an RF connection? Of course, it would not play on the PC monitor. > This stuff is great for marketing migraine medicine. > > Ken M. From kmeyer at blarg.net Thu Oct 9 11:35:21 2008 From: kmeyer at blarg.net (Ken Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:33:25 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <456dee40810090927p7a4168aao14cd432655b8bac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. Well, I have seen mention of different flavors of QAM. Here is one that cites QAM 64 and 256. http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/fusion7rt.asp It's not clear whether all decoders that do QAM will do all flavors and Trellis Coding as well. It's aggravating that it does not seem possible to talk to someone at Comcast that has better technical capabilities than being able to read off a screen, who might be able to supply specs of the QAM they are using. I had one who told me to swap an Ethernet cable end-for-end as part of troubleshooting. Ken M. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Smith [mailto:kormoc@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 8:28 AM To: kmeyer@blarg.net Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable It's been awhile sense I last checked. I ended up switching to Dish, as it was cheaper and had everything I needed. That said, the card worked fine, it was a QAM and ATSC hybred and I could get all the ATSC stuff just fine. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Ken Meyer wrote: > Then I do not understand how I can tune all of the analog channels and the > SD and HD digital channels that are apparently required to be provided in > the clear directly from an RF cable input without any converter box in the > mix. Could there be a problem of some other sort in your QAM decoder :-) > > Ken M. From kormoc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:41:19 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Thu Oct 9 10:39:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: <456dee40810090927p7a4168aao14cd432655b8bac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <456dee40810091041h2dbce9bcw2ec4f4ee325e3ff8@mail.gmail.com> I card I used did QAM 64 and 256. At the time, others in different Comcast franchises had better luck then I, so it is indeed possible that they changed it. Seattle's Comcast franchise is one of the better ones out there by far. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ken Meyer wrote: > Hmmm. Well, I have seen mention of different flavors of QAM. Here is one > that cites QAM 64 and 256. > > http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/Video/fusion7rt.asp > > It's not clear whether all decoders that do QAM will do all flavors and > Trellis Coding as well. It's aggravating that it does not seem possible to > talk to someone at Comcast that has better technical capabilities than being > able to read off a screen, who might be able to supply specs of the QAM they > are using. I had one who told me to swap an Ethernet cable end-for-end as > part of troubleshooting. > > Ken M. From lists at forevermore.net Thu Oct 9 11:05:11 2008 From: lists at forevermore.net (Chris Petersen) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:03:12 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: <456dee40810082224l46cf3721wa2dcf1febf8ccb16@mail.gmail.com> References: <1223519175.10664.9.camel@localhost> <456dee40810082224l46cf3721wa2dcf1febf8ccb16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EE47D7.5030403@forevermore.net> Just for the record, unencrypted digital stations available to Seattle area comcast subscribers can be found here: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui?Cmd=LocationProgramsWeb&Country=US&Postcode=98118 FWIW, the HD Homerun is a great box for recording unencrypted HD, and works well for both broadcast and ClearQAM signals. Silicon Dust is also very friendly to the FOSS community and has helped out significantly with support for their device in MythTV, as well as donating an HDHomeRun for giveaway at LinuxFest Northwest this year. However, I agree with Rob.. Firewire is the best way to capture HD (and in our Comcast franchise, digital SD) with MythTV. I've been doing it for several years with great success. Comcast may encrypt most of the info in QAM, but unlike most of the rest of the country, the firewire connection is fully decrypted, so you can record any digital channel that you pay for. -Chris From jarod at wilsonet.com Thu Oct 9 11:37:31 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:35:31 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1223577451.9267.5.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 09:24 -0800, Ken Meyer wrote: > Then I do not understand how I can tune all of the analog channels Analog channels aren't encrypted at all. If your provider still sends out analog channels, any NTSC capture card can record them. Period. > and the > SD and HD digital channels that are apparently required to be provided in > the clear directly from an RF cable input without any converter box in the > mix. Could there be a problem of some other sort in your QAM decoder :-) Most providers only send out the same channels you'd get over the air in clear QAM, the rest are encrypted. A lucky few get all channels in clear QAM and an extremely unlucky few have providers that encrypt everything. Me, I'm in the 'stuff I could also get over the air with a really big antenna is in clear QAM' boat, everything else encrypted. Screwing around with my cable box's firewire output is still on the TODO list. That definitely worked back in the day when I had Comcast, but now I've got Verizon FiOS TV. I use both digital capture cards and an HDHomeRun for the bulk of my recordings. Both the cap cards and the HDHR support both over-the-air ATSC, aka 8VSB, as well as cable ATSC, aka QAM256 here (there's also QAM64 and 128, but I've not actually seen anyone use anything but 256 -- similar with VSB, there are some other variants, but most is 8VSB). --jarod > -----Original Message----- > > From: gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org > [mailto:gslug-general-bounces@gslug.org] > On Behalf Of Rob Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:24 PM > Cc: GSLUG > > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] MythTV and Comcast Digital Cable > > Actually, having hooked up a QAM on a comcast connection, I do not > receive anything in the clear. It's all encrypted. > > That said, they by law (See > > http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-03-225A1.pdf > > page 50, section 4 ) have to allow certain channels over the firewire > ports unencrypted. At no point are they required to send it over the > wire unencrypted. > > This ruling is why that 6200 you have has firewire and they have to be > activated, upon your request, by comcast. > > Most PVR's do actually record them bit for bit, as the down-converting > is quite costly cpu wise. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ken Meyer wrote: > > OK, so it is not at all clear from the Comcast Channel line-up card, but > > some HD channels are available unencrypted via the so-called "basic cable" > > package (which is not basic -- the "limited cable" package is the basic > one, > > if you embrace the dictionary for meanings). These are over-the-air > > channels that I understand are required by the FCC to be provided > > unscrambled in digital -- but I am pretty shaky on the details of these > > regulatory requirements. In any event, our Samsung 42 inch, 720p, plasma > > (was $800 at Costco) will display the HD versions of KING, KIRO, and a few > > other stations as channel 5-1, X-1 direct from the RF cable input. They > are > > available after running the auto-tune function. If there is a video tuner > > card that will decode QAM HD, then that should work also. > > > > ... > > > > I am surprised that the Firewire connections (there are two) on the 6200 > > provide "live" outputs. The 6200 manual that I have (I've got a PDF if > you > > need it) doesn't talk about the Ethernet, USB, and Firewire connections on > > the box at all. > > > > ... > > > > By the way, do these PVRs actually record 1080i bit-for-bit, or do they > > down-convert first? > > > > Ken Meyer > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From eric at extremeboredom.net Fri Oct 10 14:13:20 2008 From: eric at extremeboredom.net (Eric Butler) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:11:19 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] TOMORROW'S GSLUG MEETING (LIKELY) CANCELED Message-ID: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> Hi everyone, I've just found out that there was a mis-communication about tomorrow's meeting, and Speakeasy won't be able to host it. If anyone can offer an alternative space in Downtown Seattle, please let me know as soon as possible. Speakeasy is still offering to sponsor food. If I don't hear from anyone in the next few hours, we'll need to pospose the meeting to later this month. Sorry everyone! - Eric From ashex at chipnick.com Fri Oct 10 14:54:24 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:52:48 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] TOMORROW'S GSLUG MEETING (LIKELY) CANCELED In-Reply-To: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> References: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> Message-ID: It appears as though someone doesn't want me coming to the meetings :)I'm a bit bummed as I was looking forward to coming for once. This is too short of notice for most places I know of that could host it :/ -Ahmed Osman On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Eric Butler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've just found out that there was a mis-communication about tomorrow's > meeting, and Speakeasy won't be able to host it. > > If anyone can offer an alternative space in Downtown Seattle, please let me > know as soon as possible. Speakeasy is still offering to sponsor food. > > If I don't hear from anyone in the next few hours, we'll need to pospose > the meeting to later this month. > > Sorry everyone! > > - Eric > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081010/e899ef00/attachment.htm From eric at extremeboredom.net Fri Oct 10 18:49:30 2008 From: eric at extremeboredom.net (Eric Butler) Date: Fri Oct 10 18:47:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] TOMORROW'S GSLUG MEETING CANCELED :( In-Reply-To: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> References: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> Message-ID: <48F0062A.8090806@extremeboredom.net> Unfortunetly we weren't able to find a new space on such short notice, so there won't be a meeting tomorrow. I'll let everyone know when when we've got a rescheduled date. Hopefully soon! Would anyone be interested in an informal meetup somewhere downtown to chat over lunch tomorrow as an alternative? - Eric Eric Butler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've just found out that there was a mis-communication about > tomorrow's meeting, and Speakeasy won't be able to host it. > > If anyone can offer an alternative space in Downtown Seattle, please > let me know as soon as possible. Speakeasy is still offering to > sponsor food. > > If I don't hear from anyone in the next few hours, we'll need to > pospose the meeting to later this month. > > Sorry everyone! > > - Eric > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Sat Oct 11 02:03:42 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Sat Oct 11 02:01:41 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] TOMORROW'S GSLUG MEETING CANCELED :( In-Reply-To: <48F0062A.8090806@extremeboredom.net> References: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> <48F0062A.8090806@extremeboredom.net> Message-ID: <48F06BEE.6050503@gmail.com> Count me in. Eric Butler wrote: > Unfortunetly we weren't able to find a new space on such short notice, > so there won't be a meeting tomorrow. > > I'll let everyone know when when we've got a rescheduled date. > Hopefully soon! > > Would anyone be interested in an informal meetup somewhere downtown to > chat over lunch tomorrow as an alternative? > > - Eric > > Eric Butler wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I've just found out that there was a mis-communication about >> tomorrow's meeting, and Speakeasy won't be able to host it. >> >> If anyone can offer an alternative space in Downtown Seattle, please >> let me know as soon as possible. Speakeasy is still offering to >> sponsor food. >> >> If I don't hear from anyone in the next few hours, we'll need to >> pospose the meeting to later this month. >> >> Sorry everyone! >> >> - Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081011/e9297ee5/attachment.htm From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Sun Oct 12 10:53:22 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Sun Oct 12 10:51:19 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Learning In-Reply-To: <48F0062A.8090806@extremeboredom.net> References: <48EFC570.9080002@extremeboredom.net> <48F0062A.8090806@extremeboredom.net> Message-ID: <48F23992.1020804@gmail.com> I would like to invite people to my learning community called Pulpie. Http://pulpie.ath.cx The goals of which is to teach about almost anything that you can learn. We offer our shells for free as long as you require then to learn, you also must outline what you wish to learn. The Pulpie community recently came out with a program to allow people to learn Linux and FreeBSD with more ease. The program is called FUSHI http://fushi.sourceforge.net Thank you for your time and have a great morning. ----- James Michael 10:53 am Oct 12, 08 Seattle, Washington -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jamesthefishy.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081012/c441f374/jamesthefishy.vcf From erratic at devel.ws Thu Oct 16 17:49:24 2008 From: erratic at devel.ws (Paige Thompson) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:47:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Ton of scripts I wrote In-Reply-To: <200810040158.42947.jvoss@altsci.com> References: <200810040158.42947.jvoss@altsci.com> Message-ID: <5061b39c0810161749j27faea82tc6ddef3592431f99@mail.gmail.com> Nice, I have all the stuff I write and remember to publish available on http://erratic.devel.ws though some of it is kinda embarrassing. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:58 AM, Joel R. Voss wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to plug a list of scripts I wrote. I put them on the GSLUG wiki so > that people could get them and help update them easier. > http://www.gslug.org/index.php/User:Javantea > Two are Qemu scripts from my talk earlier this year. That may help people > get > started in that. > One is a Timidity script I wrote that can help Paul with alsa midi synth > stuff. > > If anyone knows of better ways to do what these scripts do, please send > tell > via wiki or e-mail. > > -- > Regards, > Joel R. Voss > http://AltSci.com > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081016/d97f0aa8/attachment.htm From chriscornuelle at gmail.com Sat Oct 25 17:16:51 2008 From: chriscornuelle at gmail.com (chriscornuelle@gmail.com) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:13:40 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC Message-ID: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> Hi. I'm shopping for a new Linux distribution for my ancient (ca. 2000) box. It is 550 MHz and 256 MB. Really getting itchy to use all the toys available with gcc2 ... Is there one distro which is best for wimpy boxes like mine? Right now I have Suse 10.0 - yes, and I also eat meat and kick my dog. ;^) I've used Debian in the past, and liked it. My kids also use this machine, if that matters. They are 6 and 10. TIA. -- Adios, Chris Cornuelle chriscornuelle at gmail dot com From pierre at pham-phu.net Sat Oct 25 21:44:21 2008 From: pierre at pham-phu.net (Pierre Pham-Phu) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:41:54 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> References: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <1336b8a0810252144xb4c9124vf9a37ce3312440bd@mail.gmail.com> Maybe minimal debian installation + X and icewm ? On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:16 AM, wrote: > Hi. I'm shopping for a new Linux distribution for my ancient > (ca. 2000) box. It is 550 MHz and 256 MB. Really getting > itchy to use all the toys available with gcc2 ... > > Is there one distro which is best for wimpy boxes like mine? > Right now I have Suse 10.0 - yes, and I also eat meat and kick > my dog. ;^) > > I've used Debian in the past, and liked it. My kids also use > this machine, if that matters. They are 6 and 10. > > TIA. > > -- > Adios, > Chris Cornuelle > chriscornuelle at gmail dot com > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081026/dcfac62f/attachment.html From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Sat Oct 25 21:59:15 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Sat Oct 25 21:56:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <1336b8a0810252144xb4c9124vf9a37ce3312440bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> <1336b8a0810252144xb4c9124vf9a37ce3312440bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0810252159q1e8ce2dcx36dd26665ac9f5a0@mail.gmail.com> I like Fluxbuntu quite a bit. For kids, something with e17 might be better. Id try GOS, or https://edge.launchpad.net/elbuntu. You might also try xubuntu. If you are going with any *buntu, save yourself some bandwidth and wait for four days or so, for 8.10. On 10/25/08, Piaerre Pham-Phu wrote: > Maybe minimal debian installation + X and icewm ? > > > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:16 AM, wrote: > > > Hi. I'm shopping for a new Linux distribution for my ancient > > (ca. 2000) box. It is 550 MHz and 256 MB. Really getting > > itchy to use all the toys available with gcc2 ... > > > > Is there one distro which is best for wimpy boxes like mine? > > Right now I have Suse 10.0 - yes, and I also eat meat and kick > > my dog. ;^) > > > > I've used Debian in the past, and liked it. My kids also use > > this machine, if that matters. They are 6 and 10. > > > > TIA. > > > > -- > > Adios, > > Chris Cornuelle > > chriscornuelle at gmail dot com > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From ashex at chipnick.com Sun Oct 26 13:30:55 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Sun Oct 26 13:28:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> References: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <448461878-1225053060-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-795959774-@bxe340.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> This is purely anecdotal, but a couple years ago I recycled an old iMac with lower specs by installing linux on it. The distribution I picked was Xubuntu, and it actually runs fairly well. Its setup in a lab and from what I know students have used it and it has worked great for them. Only advice I have is to use something more lightweight the OpenOffice.org, such as Abiword, same for firefox. They both worked great by themselves, but multitasking was horrible. Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: chriscornuelle@gmail.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:16:51 To: Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC Hi. I'm shopping for a new Linux distribution for my ancient (ca. 2000) box. It is 550 MHz and 256 MB. Really getting itchy to use all the toys available with gcc2 ... Is there one distro which is best for wimpy boxes like mine? Right now I have Suse 10.0 - yes, and I also eat meat and kick my dog. ;^) I've used Debian in the past, and liked it. My kids also use this machine, if that matters. They are 6 and 10. TIA. -- Adios, Chris Cornuelle chriscornuelle at gmail dot com _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jtg at intarcorp.com Sun Oct 26 23:51:56 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Sun Oct 26 23:50:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] possibly stupid bash question Message-ID: <4A4B530B-71F6-4CDD-9E8B-8FF9A567F4A9@intarcorp.com> Hey all, I hope the answer to this question isn't something painfully RTFM-y or otherwise obvious. Last night, a friend asked me how his coworkers have their shells automatically list contents when they cd to a directory (hell yeah, i have awesome saturday nights). The only way I could think of at the time was to make a daemon that captures whatever input that comes after cd, but I feel like there should be a more simple way. Is there a simple way to automatically ls contents of dir foo when I type cd foo? Anyone? Thanks, Jeremiah From kormoc at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 00:02:30 2008 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Oct 27 00:00:00 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] possibly stupid bash question In-Reply-To: <4A4B530B-71F6-4CDD-9E8B-8FF9A567F4A9@intarcorp.com> References: <4A4B530B-71F6-4CDD-9E8B-8FF9A567F4A9@intarcorp.com> Message-ID: <456dee40810270002l6db62dfaic996815442835b67@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > I hope the answer to this question isn't something painfully RTFM-y or > otherwise obvious. Last night, a friend asked me how his coworkers have > their shells automatically list contents when they cd to a directory (hell > yeah, i have awesome saturday nights). The only way I could think of at the > time was to make a daemon that captures whatever input that comes after cd, > but I feel like there should be a more simple way. Is there a simple way to > automatically ls contents of dir foo when I type cd foo? In your bashrc/bash_profile/whatever cdls() { cd $1 ls } alias cd='cdls' From haircut at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 05:21:59 2008 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Mon Oct 27 05:19:31 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] possibly stupid bash question In-Reply-To: <4A4B530B-71F6-4CDD-9E8B-8FF9A567F4A9@intarcorp.com> References: <4A4B530B-71F6-4CDD-9E8B-8FF9A567F4A9@intarcorp.com> Message-ID: <9ebd65110810270521u7b8b06b8ub227ab7c0dd0c52d@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:51 AM, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > Is there a simple way to automatically ls contents of dir foo when > I type cd foo? I'm pretty sure this is bash-specific. Place this in your ~/.bashrc and your "cd" command will do what you want: # list contents right after changing directories cd() { if [ "$1" ] then builtin cd "$1" && ls else builtin cd && ls fi } More tricks: http://dotfiles.org/~meonkeys/.bashrc -- Adam Monsen From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Oct 27 10:45:33 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Oct 27 10:42:55 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <1336b8a0810252144xb4c9124vf9a37ce3312440bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> <1336b8a0810252144xb4c9124vf9a37ce3312440bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4905FE3D.4010101@gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081027/05e1b0e9/attachment.htm From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 27 14:54:38 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Mon Oct 27 14:52:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <94529130810271400n314b2ed4l2892fa3d8ebb85d4@mail.gmail.com> References: <94529130810271400n314b2ed4l2892fa3d8ebb85d4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0810271454n7654d202sc651eb85483548c1@mail.gmail.com> 256mb of ram is not all that low. Sure multitasking would suck, but you dont need to get REALLY cut down distros. I used puppy linux on an old pentium 1. You might also consider Damn Small Linux if you are looking to go really minimalistic, but i think Xubuntu will be fine for what you want. (it will be the applications that take up most of the ram... so use Abiword instead of open office writer, and maybe an alternative browser instead of firefox. Flash will be quite slow) On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Vance Fandango wrote: > Try Absolute. I used it with an old Thinkpad 600X with 450Mhz and 256MB and > it ran great. It's based on Slackware, just with some bloat cut out. Out > of the box it comes with iceWM and fluxbox and a good number of scripts that > are configured for ease of use. > > > Check it out here: http://www.pcbypaul.com/absolute/ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From gray.andrew at comcast.net Mon Oct 27 15:00:43 2008 From: gray.andrew at comcast.net (Andrew Gray) Date: Mon Oct 27 15:03:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> References: <20081026001651.GA4253@mail.xmission.com> Message-ID: <1225144843.23814.2.camel@gina> I'd have to go with James Michael on this one. I once got FreeBSD (albeit with an older version) to run on a 233Mhz 64MB RAM box. It was my first ever non-mainstream computer. I used enlightenment and it ended up working out decently, though the RAM was a b**** when it came to multitasking. I'm sure you'd be riding high with 256. On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 18:16 -0600, chriscornuelle@gmail.com wrote: > Hi. I'm shopping for a new Linux distribution for my ancient > (ca. 2000) box. It is 550 MHz and 256 MB. Really getting > itchy to use all the toys available with gcc2 ... > > Is there one distro which is best for wimpy boxes like mine? > Right now I have Suse 10.0 - yes, and I also eat meat and kick > my dog. ;^) > > I've used Debian in the past, and liked it. My kids also use > this machine, if that matters. They are 6 and 10. > > TIA. > From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 27 17:48:12 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Mon Oct 27 17:45:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] distro for PPPoE? In-Reply-To: <20081027190008.0F4AD564@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <684235.41855.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> does anyone know what distro connects to PPPoE? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <684235.41855.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <20081027190008.0F4AD564@drowsy.ifokr.org> <684235.41855.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200810271854.36856.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 27 October 2008 05:48:12 pm Donald G wrote: > does anyone know what distro connects to PPPoE? I use Debian, personally. The pppoeconf package makes it nice and easy. I think Ubuntu has that package as well, but I haven't looked. -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Mon Oct 27 19:01:09 2008 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Mon Oct 27 18:58:40 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] distro for PPPoE? In-Reply-To: <200810271854.36856.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <20081027190008.0F4AD564@drowsy.ifokr.org> <684235.41855.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810271854.36856.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <20081028020109.GB27458@seattlefenix.net> * Jack T Mudge III (jakykong@theanythingbox.com) [081027 18:54]: > On Monday 27 October 2008 05:48:12 pm Donald G wrote: > > does anyone know what distro connects to PPPoE? > > I use Debian, personally. The pppoeconf package makes it nice and easy. I > think Ubuntu has that package as well, but I haven't looked. benjamin@jumper:~$ apt-cache search pppoeconf pppoeconf - configures PPPoE/ADSL connections As it turns out, Ubuntu does indeed carry the pppoeconf package. :) From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Mon Oct 27 19:47:39 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Mon Oct 27 19:45:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] distro for PPPoE? In-Reply-To: <20081028020109.GB27458@seattlefenix.net> References: <20081027190008.0F4AD564@drowsy.ifokr.org> <684235.41855.qm@web56705.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <200810271854.36856.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <20081028020109.GB27458@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0810271947i5600f257j5613779577ee80f8@mail.gmail.com> If you wait few days, you can get ubuntu 8.10. the new network manager has pppoe config in a gui. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * Jack T Mudge III (jakykong@theanythingbox.com) [081027 18:54]: >> On Monday 27 October 2008 05:48:12 pm Donald G wrote: >> > does anyone know what distro connects to PPPoE? >> >> I use Debian, personally. The pppoeconf package makes it nice and easy. I >> think Ubuntu has that package as well, but I haven't looked. > > > benjamin@jumper:~$ apt-cache search pppoeconf > pppoeconf - configures PPPoE/ADSL connections > > As it turns out, Ubuntu does indeed carry the pppoeconf package. :) > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From zaltar at myway.com Mon Oct 27 22:44:34 2008 From: zaltar at myway.com (Paul DeShaw) Date: Mon Oct 27 23:14:10 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC Message-ID: <20081028014434.20621@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> Though you may think me stupid, I'll ask. How do I find out how much RAM and the CPU speed on a Windows (ME) computer? I think I might like to try a Linux distro on an old computer, too, and I'd like to know what I'm working with. All I know is it's a Pentium III. BTW, My e-mail provider's new webmail software doesn't seem to let me quote messages; it puts the original message as an attachment. I can't find a way to do otherwise yet. At least it lets me delete the attachment before sending . If I have to, I can cut and paste. --Paul ------------------------------------------------------------ Design Degree Click to become a designer and quit your boring job. http://216.21.215.31/fc/JkJQPThREEV8olMTb4u587wsfEhL5AgybhzlAJgCEyI91CW7a0hbOK/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All I know is it's a Pentium III. > > BTW, My e-mail provider's new webmail software doesn't seem to let me > quote messages; it puts the original message as an attachment. I can't > find a way to do otherwise yet. At least it lets me delete the > attachment before sending . If I have to, I can cut and paste. > > --Paul > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Design Degree > > > Click to become a designer and quit your boring job. > > > Click here for more information > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Belarc Advisor is free. www.belarc.com -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From btm at loftninjas.org Tue Oct 28 11:58:16 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Tue Oct 28 11:55:44 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC In-Reply-To: <20081028014434.20621@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20081028014434.20621@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <893823750810281158x7ae47024waa3e90cfdb0c5796@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Paul DeShaw wrote: > BTW, My e-mail provider's new webmail software doesn't seem to let me quote > messages; it puts the original message as an attachment. I can't find a way > to do otherwise yet. At least it lets me delete the attachment before > sending . If I have to, I can cut and paste. Gmail is free. From technoshaman at liawol.org Tue Oct 28 13:43:38 2008 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Tue Oct 28 13:41:08 2008 Subject: Better webmail (was: Re: [Gslug-general] Best distro for weak PC) In-Reply-To: <893823750810281158x7ae47024waa3e90cfdb0c5796@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081028014434.20621@web004.roc2.bluetie.com> <893823750810281158x7ae47024waa3e90cfdb0c5796@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081028204338.GY13302@liawol.org> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 11:58:16AM -0700, Bryan McLellan wrote: >On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Paul DeShaw wrote: >> BTW, My e-mail provider's new webmail software doesn't seem to let me quote >> messages; it puts the original message as an attachment. I can't find a way >> to do otherwise yet. At least it lets me delete the attachment before >> sending . If I have to, I can cut and paste. > >Gmail is free. Fastmail (www.fastmail.fm) starts free; if you pay them one-time $14.95 you can use their simap and ssmtp as well as a most excellent webmail client (no graphics whatsoever)... and there are premium accounts where you can do web hosting and all that stuff. The web interface is proprietary (alas) but the under-the-hood stuff is all Open Source (postfix, sieve, a greylister, etc.) and they blog about it too. And they don't go trolling your email for keywords to throw ads at you or goodness knows what else. I use them for a backup MX; their spam filtering is.... about as good as mine (they use SpamAssassin's Bayesian subsystem; I use bogofilter, but the net result is pretty similar), which is saying something... and I recommend them unreservedly. Just a satisifed customer... -- Glenn From jtg at intarcorp.com Tue Oct 28 22:20:09 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Tue Oct 28 22:18:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education Message-ID: Hey all, I remember a thread on the list a few months ago about offering classes to teach new users about Linux. What's the status on this project? I'd like to get involved. Thanks, Jeremiah From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Tue Oct 28 23:43:54 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Tue Oct 28 23:40:03 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Tuesday 28 October 2008 10:20:09 pm Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > Hey all, > > I remember a thread on the list a few months ago about offering > classes to teach new users about Linux. What's the status on this > project? I'd like to get involved. > > Thanks, > Jeremiah > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general I can think of two such threads in recent months, one in which a few people expressed interest (early august?), and one in which I offered to teach the contents of the Ubuntu Desktop Training Course. I presented chapter 2 in september, and, granted, there was a small amount of interest, but that amounted to about 3 people (at least, that's how many e-mails I got). Almost everyone attending GSLUG meetings is far from being new to linux, it seems. I presented chapter 2 in september; there was no october meeting (unless I missed something). I guess that means chapter 3 would be up in november if people are still interested :) By the way, when you say "get involved", do you mean "take the class" or "help teach the class"? -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From jtg at intarcorp.com Wed Oct 29 01:28:47 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Wed Oct 29 01:26:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: <200810290052.41992.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <200810290052.41992.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: Woops, didn't realize I had taken the convo off-thread. The student manual appears to be missing, but I'm looking through the instructor manual. It has a bunch of info, (and this is NOT to be construed as dismissing the hard work of the people who put together this manual or the manual itself, which certainly has valuable information) but some of the information doesn't seem that practical. It's hard to determine what new users want, but newsgroups coming before instant messenger seems out of touch with the average computer user. Moreover, some of the material in chapter 2 seems like it's pretty intuitive to most modern computer users and enabling Compiz as a first lesson stands to be a real can of worms given that some people are interested in going to Linux in order to get faster performance out of an older/slower machine. Rather than teaching out of the manual, we may can get more mileage out of condensing these 9 chapters down to 2 or 3. Perhaps we can make a list of wants from various windoze users of different technical backgrounds. My guess is that the most important things are: hooking up to the web, instant messaging, playing back media files, GIMP and other media arts programs, *maybe* setting up a mail client, playing games. I don't play many games, but I read about http://www.cedega.com/ before and it sounded interesting. Games are an important area where Linux-based OSes are behind proprietary ones, but there are options out there that are cooler than penguin racer or "just install wine." Anyway, after writing this, I see without even getting into the nuts and bolts of Linux server administration that there is room for developing multiple education paths for different audiences. I know it's been mentioned a few times on the list, but could someone fill me in on details about what the courses are like at the various businesses that have paid courses in town? Jeremiah On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:52 AM, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 11:49:29 pm you wrote: >> I'd like to help teach, develop curriculum, post flyers, recruit >> newbs, etc. > > Well, the curriculum is mostly developed already (the Ubuntu > Desktop Training > Course provides it, luckily free of cost -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ > Training) > It just needs a bit of polishing to make it fit in a less > "classroomey" > environment (although, given enough students, it could become > feasible to do > it that way). > > Certainly recruitment could help. I've tried, and failed dismally > (call it > ironic). Unfortunately, a large part of my problem is the travel: > the only > place I can recruit is at GRCC's campus, which is in auburn, quite > a ways > from Seattle where the class would actually take place; not many > people seem > to want to travel quite that far. > > Flyers would probably be helpful; I wrote a brochure a while ago > about linux > in general (http://www.theanythingbox.com/linux%20brocure.odt and > yes, I know > there's a typo; and the part with Tux is on the front; it's folded > after > printing), which you might be able to use as a starting point. I > have an Hp > Laserjet 4050 with a duplexer, if you don't mind that all it can do > is black > and white. My artistic skills, alas, are quite lacking. > > Input on teaching methods would probably be a good thing; more than > one person > to phrase answers to questions is usually good for students, > although such a > 2-person plan would require more planning than just "print the > lesson, go to > the meeting." Worth trying out -- maybe in november's meeting, we > can try > chapter 3 with some sort of dual-teacher model. > > Hope it helps. > -- > Sincerely, > Jack Mudge > jakykong@theanythingbox.com From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 14:33:26 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Wed Oct 29 14:31:01 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <41DF489F39574C7A8F24D7F6E30DE001@EeePC> Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Tuesday 28 October 2008 10:20:09 pm Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I remember a thread on the list a few months ago about offering >> classes to teach new users about Linux. What's the status on this >> project? I'd like to get involved. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeremiah >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > I can think of two such threads in recent months, one in which a few > people expressed interest (early august?), and one in which I offered > to teach the contents of the Ubuntu Desktop Training Course. I > presented chapter 2 in september, and, granted, there was a small > amount of interest, but that amounted to about 3 people (at least, > that's how many e-mails I got). Almost everyone attending GSLUG > meetings is far from being new to linux, it seems. > > I presented chapter 2 in september; there was no october meeting > (unless I missed something). I guess that means chapter 3 would be up > in november if people are still interested :) > > By the way, when you say "get involved", do you mean "take the class" > or "help teach the class"? I was unable to attend the September meeting but am interested in learning lots more about Linux. Linux is so foreign to me that reading a book isn't going to work. I need specific help for my netbook and the problems I encounter. I'm not an IM'er but I did get Pan installed. I would like to get my BT mouse to work. I don't touch type or use the trackpad. I had one heck of a time getting Netbook Remix disabled but the Ubuntu desktop on my netbook doesn't look like the Ubuntu desktop on my desktop. I would like to get Compiz going on my desktop. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 21:23:56 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Wed Oct 29 21:21:23 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <41DF489F39574C7A8F24D7F6E30DE001@EeePC> Message-ID: <4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> Hitoshi Satow wrote: > There are a lot of forums online where people post similar problems. > If you send me your errors or problems I can also help troubleshoot. > ie. what you did to try to get it to work. What went wrong. stuff > like that. > compiz in ubuntu is wrapped under advance desktop effects or > something like that. I'll have to double check when I get home. I > think it's kinda stupid they did that because it confused me too. > I'm not so familiar with bluetooth stuff on linux but I know other > people in gslug are. Post your questions to the mailing list. > People are pretty responsive. Thanks for the offer. I read this list in Windows so it is kind of difficult to try stuff and then report to the list. I don't remember what I tried other than make sure BT was installed and that the mouse was in discovery mode. It workrd out of the box with Windows. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From gray.andrew at comcast.net Thu Oct 30 06:57:06 2008 From: gray.andrew at comcast.net (Andrew Gray) Date: Thu Oct 30 07:00:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: <4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <41DF489F39574C7A8F24D7F6E30DE001@EeePC> <4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> Message-ID: <1225375026.17174.5.camel@gina> I'm sorry if I'm being rude or something, but if wireless is what you're looking for, my brother has been using a wireless mouse and keyboard for years. Instead of bluetooth though, it's a USB-connected device which sends and receives the signal. It seems to have worked for him, and I tested it under Linux via LiveCD, and it works with zero configuration. The only downshot is, you've already invested in a bluetooth mouse. :-/ I would say that I've tried to use bluetooth with an Ubuntu LiveCD (via my Mac) before. Ubuntu said it found the device (my cell phone), but refused to list it or in any way connect to it. Bluetooth doesn't seem to be the most supported feature of the Linux kernel yet. My half-joking suggestion is to throw money at it. Any takers? ;-) On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 21:23 -0700, Travis wrote: > Hitoshi Satow wrote: > > There are a lot of forums online where people post similar problems. > > If you send me your errors or problems I can also help troubleshoot. > > ie. what you did to try to get it to work. What went wrong. stuff > > like that. > > compiz in ubuntu is wrapped under advance desktop effects or > > something like that. I'll have to double check when I get home. I > > think it's kinda stupid they did that because it confused me too. > > I'm not so familiar with bluetooth stuff on linux but I know other > > people in gslug are. Post your questions to the mailing list. > > People are pretty responsive. > > Thanks for the offer. I read this list in Windows so it is kind of > difficult to try stuff and then report to the list. I don't remember what I > tried other than make sure BT was installed and that the mouse was in > discovery mode. It workrd out of the box with Windows. From jvoss at altsci.com Thu Oct 30 07:23:59 2008 From: jvoss at altsci.com (Joel R. Voss) Date: Thu Oct 30 07:27:01 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200810300723.59093.jvoss@altsci.com> Hi, Just to add my two cents, I found an interesting local website that shows a few more options in the way of Linux education. http://www.teachstreet.com/search?what=Linux&where=Seattle%2C+WA These may not be better than the ones we're organizing here in GSLUG, but I wanted to send them in case anyone is interested. -- Regards, Joel R. Voss http://AltSci.com On Tuesday 28 October 2008, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > Hey all, > > I remember a thread on the list a few months ago about offering > classes to teach new users about Linux. What's the status on this > project? I'd like to get involved. > > Thanks, > Jeremiah > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From steven_coles at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 08:40:06 2008 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Michael_Faraday) Date: Thu Oct 30 08:44:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: <4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> Message-ID: <347179.93403.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Travis, When I'm stuck with a non-Linux box I download a Mandriva, Ubuntu, or Puppy Linux live-boot file.? Then I burn it to CD-ROM.? By booting from the CD-ROM I can try a lot of Linux methods without adding or deleting anything from the hard drive. Regards, Steven --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Travis wrote: From: Travis Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Linux Education To: "GSLUG" , "Hitoshi Satow" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 9:23 PM Hitoshi Satow wrote: > There are a lot of forums online where people post similar problems. > If you send me your errors or problems I can also help troubleshoot. > ie. what you did to try to get it to work. What went wrong. stuff > like that. > compiz in ubuntu is wrapped under advance desktop effects or > something like that. I'll have to double check when I get home. I > think it's kinda stupid they did that because it confused me too. > I'm not so familiar with bluetooth stuff on linux but I know other > people in gslug are. Post your questions to the mailing list. > People are pretty responsive. Thanks for the offer. I read this list in Windows so it is kind of difficult to try stuff and then report to the list. I don't remember what I tried other than make sure BT was installed and that the mouse was in discovery mode. It workrd out of the box with Windows. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081030/5eb79b8f/attachment.htm From technoshaman at liawol.org Thu Oct 30 10:16:12 2008 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Thu Oct 30 10:13:37 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education In-Reply-To: <347179.93403.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> <347179.93403.qm@web36407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081030171612.GT13302@liawol.org> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 08:40:06AM -0700, Michael_Faraday wrote: > When I'm stuck with a non-Linux box I download a Mandriva, Ubuntu, or > Puppy Linux live-boot file. Then I burn it to CD-ROM. By booting > from the CD-ROM I can try a lot of Linux methods without adding or > deleting anything from the hard drive. Apparently you can boot the new Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex from USB without burning it... can't wait to try it out. -- Glenn From rocksplodor at gmail.com Thu Oct 30 13:56:43 2008 From: rocksplodor at gmail.com (Vance Fandango) Date: Thu Oct 30 13:54:09 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: <20081030190010.512816FA@drowsy.ifokr.org> References: <20081030190010.512816FA@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <94529130810301356l52e7e81cxdb29230d7abda281@mail.gmail.com> As far as your Bluetooth problem is concerned, there's a thread on the Ubuntu forums about getting BT devices running: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=452281&postcount=3 One of the easiest things to do for you to check if the machine is even recognizing your BT dongle is to fire up a terminal and type in `sudo lsusb` (without backquotes) and it will list all usb devices plugged in to your machine. Look at what's listed and see if there's anything that is close to the BT dongle you have plugged in. If so, then you don't have to worry; it's just a matter of properly configuring things as shown in the Ubuntu forums thread to get things running. I would also take a few minutes to read up on hcitool, as it will be good for troubleshooting. And for trying things inside a Windows environment, I'd suggest getting a Virtualbox machine of your favorite distro and running it within Windows. It helped me quite a bit to run Slax in a VM before I made the jump to purge every Win install in the house. You can grab it here: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads Plenty of info to get you going there, too. > > Thanks for the offer. I read this list in Windows so it is kind of > difficult to try stuff and then report to the list. I don't remember what > I > tried other than make sure BT was installed and that the mouse was in > discovery mode. It workrd out of the box with Windows. > -- > > Travis in Shoreline Washington > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081030/d495b544/attachment.html From ashex at chipnick.com Thu Oct 30 15:09:04 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Thu Oct 30 15:06:29 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] hot-swap Sata on desktop computers Message-ID: Has anyone had experience with hot-swap sata in linux? I got a enclosure that comes with a docking bay, and the bay works by running a sata cable straight to the board, so the enclosure itself has the sata connections on the back. So it should work by simply sliding the enclosure into the docking bay and having it work.The first time I tried it, everything worked. However now when I dock it, nothing appears in dmesg about hardware detection (is this even the spot to check?). If I power off the system then power it on, it's detected, but doing a hot-plug doesn't work. -Ahmed Osman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081030/3a7361f5/attachment.htm From btm at loftninjas.org Thu Oct 30 16:19:58 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Thu Oct 30 16:17:24 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] hot-swap Sata on desktop computers Message-ID: <490a411f.16538c0a.189c.ffffc96f@mx.google.com> I would look at udev. There's a udev monitor option that will tell you when it sees events. -----Original Message----- From: Ahmed Osman Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:09 PM To: gslug-general@gslug.org Subject: [Gslug-general] hot-swap Sata on desktop computers Has anyone had experience with hot-swap sata in linux? I got a enclosure that comes with a docking bay, and the bay works by running a sata cable straight to the board, so the enclosure itself has the sata connections on the back. So it should work by simply sliding the enclosure into the docking bay and having it work. The first time I tried it, everything worked. However now when I dock it, nothing appears in dmesg about hardware detection (is this even the spot to check?). If I power off the system then power it on, it's detected, but doing a hot-plug doesn't work. -Ahmed Osman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You did not specify the physical connector but it was either a USB Human Interface Device (USB HID) or a PS/2 keyboard device. In either case no extra drivers would have been required (in the general case). > Then something, I forget what, struck me odd about the keypad. On a hunch I > tuned my Grundig YB400 receiver near 27 MHz. When I punched a key, the > Grundig buzzed. > > As the keypad used a frequency far below Bluetooth's UHF, it could not be > Bluetooth. In fact RF wise it could not be anything standard. Just the > same Ubuntu (7 something I think) selected a driver that worked with it. > I've no explanation. Wireless keyboards and mice operate on near 27 MHz unlike their more expensive Bluetooth standard brethren. Max Moser and Phillipp Schr?del have done some entertaining work eavesdropping on wireless keyboards using a radio like yours and a standard sound card. http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-dc-08/Moser/Whitepaper/bh-dc-08-moser-WP.pdf Not as spooky as the recent work on wireless eavesdropping on wired keyboards: http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/ -- Andrew Becherer From crash at neg9.org Thu Oct 30 18:09:02 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Oct 30 18:06:26 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubunt In-Reply-To: References: <94529130810301356l52e7e81cxdb29230d7abda281@mail.gmail.com> <714685.82244.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340810301809v7190bd28redcecfc61b3108f9@mail.gmail.com> Hooray for Van Eck Phreaking and it's counterparts ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 20:53, Andrew Becherer wrote: > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Michael_Faraday > wrote: > > > One of the strangest things I've seen was Ubuntu's response to a wireless > > numeric keypad I bought at a thrift store. The keypad had no software > and > > no manual. I plugged it in. Ubuntu saw it and selected a driver that > > worked properly. > > You did not specify the physical connector but it was either a USB > Human Interface Device (USB HID) or a PS/2 keyboard device. In either > case no extra drivers would have been required (in the general case). > > > Then something, I forget what, struck me odd about the keypad. On a > hunch I > > tuned my Grundig YB400 receiver near 27 MHz. When I punched a key, the > > Grundig buzzed. > > > > As the keypad used a frequency far below Bluetooth's UHF, it could not be > > Bluetooth. In fact RF wise it could not be anything standard. Just the > > same Ubuntu (7 something I think) selected a driver that worked with it. > > I've no explanation. > > Wireless keyboards and mice operate on near 27 MHz unlike their more > expensive Bluetooth standard brethren. Max Moser and Phillipp Schr?del > have done some entertaining work eavesdropping on wireless keyboards > using a radio like yours and a standard sound card. > > > http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-dc-08/Moser/Whitepaper/bh-dc-08-moser-WP.pdf > > Not as spooky as the recent work on wireless eavesdropping on wired > keyboards: > > http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/ > > -- > Andrew Becherer > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Steven --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Ian Gallagher wrote: From: Ian Gallagher Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubunt To: Gslug-general@gslug.org Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:09 PM Hooray for Van Eck Phreaking and it's counterparts ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 20:53, Andrew Becherer wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Michael_Faraday wrote: > One of the strangest things I've seen was Ubuntu's response to a wireless > numeric keypad I bought at a thrift store. ?The keypad had no software and > no manual. ?I plugged it in. ?Ubuntu saw it and selected a driver that > worked properly. You did not specify the physical connector but it was either a USB Human Interface Device (USB HID) or a PS/2 keyboard device. In either case no extra drivers would have been required (in the general case). > Then something, I forget what, struck me odd about the keypad. ?On a hunch I > tuned my Grundig YB400 receiver near 27 MHz. ?When I punched a key, the > Grundig buzzed. > > As the keypad used a frequency far below Bluetooth's UHF, it could not be > Bluetooth. ?In fact RF wise it could not be anything standard. ?Just the > same Ubuntu (7 something I think) selected a driver that worked with it. > I've no explanation. Wireless keyboards and mice operate on near 27 MHz unlike their more expensive Bluetooth standard brethren. Max Moser and Phillipp Schr?del have done some entertaining work eavesdropping on wireless keyboards using a radio like yours and a standard sound card. http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-dc-08/Moser/Whitepaper/bh-dc-08-moser-WP.pdf Not as spooky as the recent work on wireless eavesdropping on wired keyboards: http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/ -- Andrew Becherer _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm amazed at how much easier Linux installs have become all around. Regards, Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081030/5aab1dd5/attachment.htm From crash at neg9.org Thu Oct 30 20:46:47 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Oct 30 20:44:12 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubun In-Reply-To: <130276.66517.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4b5c15340810301809v7190bd28redcecfc61b3108f9@mail.gmail.com> <130276.66517.qm@web36404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340810302046h3b7786c2p4d3273c4b454e2f7@mail.gmail.com> No worries, enjoy learning :) There are others on the list that are interested in RF + Linux, specifically amateur radio, I gather you may also be interested in such subjects? Do you have any experience with amateur radio on Linux? Or data communication over amateur radio in any way, perhaps? -Ian On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 21:14, Michael_Faraday wrote: > Andrew and Ian, > > Thank you for the information and links. > > My oversight. You are correct. The Keypad uses a USB HID wireless stick. > > Regards, > > Steven > > --- On *Thu, 10/30/08, Ian Gallagher * wrote: > > From: Ian Gallagher > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubunt > To: Gslug-general@gslug.org > Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 6:09 PM > > Hooray for Van Eck Phreaking and it's counterparts ;) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Eck_phreaking > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 20:53, Andrew Becherer wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Michael_Faraday >> wrote: >> >> > One of the strangest things I've seen was Ubuntu's response to a >> wireless >> > numeric keypad I bought at a thrift store. The keypad had no software >> and >> > no manual. I plugged it in. Ubuntu saw it and selected a driver that >> > worked properly. >> >> You did not specify the physical connector but it was either a USB >> Human Interface Device (USB HID) or a PS/2 keyboard device. In either >> case no extra drivers would have been required (in the general case). >> >> > Then something, I forget what, struck me odd about the keypad. On a >> hunch I >> > tuned my Grundig YB400 receiver near 27 MHz. When I punched a key, the >> > Grundig buzzed. >> > >> > As the keypad used a frequency far below Bluetooth's UHF, it could not >> be >> > Bluetooth. In fact RF wise it could not be anything standard. Just the >> > same Ubuntu (7 something I think) selected a driver that worked with it. >> > I've no explanation. >> >> Wireless keyboards and mice operate on near 27 MHz unlike their more >> expensive Bluetooth standard brethren. Max Moser and Phillipp Schr?del >> have done some entertaining work eavesdropping on wireless keyboards >> using a radio like yours and a standard sound card. >> >> >> http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-dc-08/Moser/Whitepaper/bh-dc-08-moser-WP.pdf >> >> Not as spooky as the recent work on wireless eavesdropping on wired >> keyboards: >> >> http://lasecwww.epfl.ch/keyboard/ >> >> -- >> Andrew Becherer >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081030/4e7df9b8/attachment.html From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 08:57:41 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 31 08:55:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <41DF489F39574C7A8F24D7F6E30DE001@EeePC> Message-ID: <9B716090E05C41AABB89F7A0E8695C19@EeePC> Hitoshi Satow wrote: > There are a lot of forums online where people post similar problems. > If you send me your errors or problems I can also help troubleshoot. > ie. what you did to try to get it to work. What went wrong. stuff > like that. > compiz in ubuntu is wrapped under advance desktop effects or > something like that. I'll have to double check when I get home. I > think it's kinda stupid they did that because it confused me too. > I'm not so familiar with bluetooth stuff on linux but I know other > people in gslug are. Post your questions to the mailing list. > People are pretty responsive. I updated Ubuntu eee to 8.10 and now BT works. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 09:00:41 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 31 08:58:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux Education References: <200810282343.55071.jakykong@theanythingbox.com><41DF489F39574C7A8F24D7F6E30DE001@EeePC><4A82DAD7DF40456B96EDD0C9DC21F8D8@EeePC> <1225375026.17174.5.camel@gina> Message-ID: <6711A42894FA4B75A04B34194B60E02D@EeePC> Andrew Gray wrote: > I'm sorry if I'm being rude or something, but if wireless is what > you're looking for, my brother has been using a wireless mouse and > keyboard for years. Instead of bluetooth though, it's a USB-connected > device which sends and receives the signal. It seems to have worked > for him, and I tested it under Linux via LiveCD, and it works with > zero configuration. > > The only downshot is, you've already invested in a bluetooth mouse. > :-/ > > I would say that I've tried to use bluetooth with an Ubuntu LiveCD > (via my Mac) before. Ubuntu said it found the device (my cell phone), > but refused to list it or in any way connect to it. Bluetooth doesn't > seem to be the most supported feature of the Linux kernel yet. > > My half-joking suggestion is to throw money at it. Any takers? ;-) I purchased a BT mouse because the netbook has BT. I do have a wireless mouse but it requires a dongle. I moved it to my desktop. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Fri Oct 31 09:05:59 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Fri Oct 31 09:03:23 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 13, Issue 20 References: <20081030190010.512816FA@drowsy.ifokr.org> <94529130810301356l52e7e81cxdb29230d7abda281@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A1555C50A5749D0953709125B98DDF1@EeePC> Vance Fandango wrote: >> As far as your Bluetooth problem is concerned, there's a thread on >> the Ubuntu forums about getting BT devices running: >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=452281&postcount=3 >> >> One of the easiest things to do for you to check if the machine is >> even recognizing your BT dongle is to fire up a terminal and type in >> `sudo lsusb` (without backquotes) and it will list all usb devices >> plugged in to your machine. Look at what's listed and see if >> there's anything that is close to the BT dongle you have plugged in. >> If so, then you don't have to worry; it's just a matter of properly >> configuring things as shown in the Ubuntu forums thread to get >> things running. >> >> I would also take a few minutes to read up on hcitool, as it will be >> good for troubleshooting. >> >> And for trying things inside a Windows environment, I'd suggest >> getting a Virtualbox machine of your favorite distro and running it >> within Windows. It helped me quite a bit to run Slax in a VM before >> I made the jump to purge every Win install in the house. You can >> grab it here: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads >> >> Plenty of info to get you going there, too. My netbook has BT built in and is now working after I upgraded to 8.10. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From steven_coles at yahoo.com Fri Oct 31 10:23:53 2008 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Michael_Faraday) Date: Fri Oct 31 10:21:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubun In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340810302046h3b7786c2p4d3273c4b454e2f7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <872441.66115.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ian, Around 1964 I was an amateur radio operator on 3,300 and 10,000 MHz. A couple years back I got relicensed. My interests are mainly antenna and circuit simulation programs running under Linux. However, my interest in Linux networking over UHF amateur radio is increasing. I have only cell at home. I just walked 3.5 blocks in rain to be able to communicate?at a crowded noisy coffee house. In my not not at all realistic dreams we'd have an amateur radio equivalent to the Internet--but with web sites concentrating on a wide range of technical subjects, emergency communications, learning radio telegraph, license advancement, etc. Our version of Wi-Fi could have a range up to 20 miles. (In the 1960s Seattle and (somewhere) Oregon amateur radio operators (not me) communicated over paths exceeding 200 miles on 10 GHz. They used less than 1 watt output.) I don't know how clubs are structured now. In the 1960s the Radio Club of Tacoma, W7DK, owned a clubhouse located ideally for a 5 to 15 miles microwave radius. Of course, some hams could do equally well from their home locations. Best regards, Steven, KD7YTE --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Ian Gallagher wrote: From: Ian Gallagher Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Wireless & Ubun To: "GSLUG General" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 8:46 PM No worries, enjoy learning :) There are others on the list that are interested in RF + Linux, specifically amateur radio, I gather you may also be interested in such subjects? Do you have any experience with amateur radio on Linux? Or data communication over amateur radio in any way, perhaps? -Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20081031/0a3c525f/attachment.htm