From jvoss at altsci.com Tue Sep 2 17:04:43 2008 From: jvoss at altsci.com (Joel R. Voss) Date: Tue Sep 2 17:09:56 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting Message-ID: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> Hi, I thought since no one has said anything about this month's meeting, I'd start the conversation. If we're going to continue meeting on the second saturday of the month, it would be Sept 13. Who usually updates the wiki and sets up the room? Is all that in order? I'm looking forward to it. Also, if anyone is interested, the monthly Gentoo BugDay is online this Saturday, Sept 6. Get more information here: http://bugday.gentoo.org/ It'll be my first bugday, but it should be interesting. Fixing and testing bugs is a great way to give back to the open source community. It's also a great way to learn more about projects you are interested in and get feedback. Every distro/project/company should have at least one bugday per month. =) -- Regards, Joel R. Voss http://AltSci.com From ashex at chipnick.com Tue Sep 2 18:45:12 2008 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Tue Sep 2 18:44:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting In-Reply-To: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> Message-ID: <48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> Joel R. Voss wrote: > Hi, > > I thought since no one has said anything about this month's meeting, I'd start > the conversation. If we're going to continue meeting on the second saturday > of the month, it would be Sept 13. Who usually updates the wiki and sets up > the room? Is all that in order? I'm looking forward to it. > I'm also looking forward to this months meeting, as it will be the first in a long time for me :) From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Tue Sep 2 22:29:55 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Tue Sep 2 22:28:15 2008 Subject: Beginner's class (was Re: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting) In-Reply-To: <48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> <48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> Message-ID: <200809022229.59910.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Tuesday 02 September 2008 06:45:12 pm Ahmed Osman wrote: > Joel R. Voss wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I thought since no one has said anything about this month's meeting, > > I'd start the conversation. If we're going to continue meeting on the > > second saturday of the month, it would be Sept 13. Who usually updates > > the wiki and sets up the room? Is all that in order? I'm looking > > forward to it. > > I'm also looking forward to this months meeting, as it will be the first > in a long time for me :) > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general Second meeting, period, for me :) I missed last month (Not much I can do about a job that gets in the way), but I have the day off this month. Glee. Anyway, a while back (7/27-7/28 or so it looks like) there was a thread on the mailing list about starting a Linux beginner's class. I'd like to start the ball rolling on that (I'm glad to volunteer as a teacher). How many people might be interested in taking such a class or volunteering? Ideas? I don't know how well it would fit into meetings, but that seems like an appropriate time for such a class to take place (10-15 minute class, some topic each meeting? Just a thought...). -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com GPG Pubkey ID: 0x78BEC84C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080902/6129f553/attachment.pgp From aonoraha at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 22:55:40 2008 From: aonoraha at gmail.com (Aaron Appelbaum) Date: Tue Sep 2 22:54:32 2008 Subject: Beginner's class (was Re: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting) In-Reply-To: <200809022229.59910.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> <48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> <200809022229.59910.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <90312f880809022255u3ad4694ua60a7b77e546420@mail.gmail.com> I found this great Linux HOWTO podcast from Chess Griffin called Linux Reality (http://www.linuxreality.com/). Although Chess no longer creates new episodes, he is a great teacher and his material was invaluable to me. Perhaps we can use some of his episode content as teaching ideas for the next meeting. Thoughts? > Second meeting, period, for me :) > > I missed last month (Not much I can do about a job that gets in the way), > but I have the day off this month. Glee. > > > Anyway, a while back (7/27-7/28 or so it looks like) there was a thread on > the mailing list about starting a Linux beginner's class. I'd like to start > the ball rolling on that (I'm glad to volunteer as a teacher). > > How many people might be interested in taking such a class or volunteering? > Ideas? > > I don't know how well it would fit into meetings, but that seems like an > appropriate time for such a class to take place (10-15 minute class, some > topic each meeting? Just a thought...). > > > -- > Sincerely, > Jack Mudge > jakykong@theanythingbox.com > GPG Pubkey ID: 0x78BEC84C > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080902/5aa61d94/attachment.htm From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 2 23:01:34 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Tue Sep 2 23:00:22 2008 Subject: Beginner's class (was Re: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting) In-Reply-To: <90312f880809022255u3ad4694ua60a7b77e546420@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> <48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> <200809022229.59910.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <90312f880809022255u3ad4694ua60a7b77e546420@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0809022301v662712ecsa7791b5ee4496089@mail.gmail.com> There is also some ubuntu-based training materials... i cant remember the address right now, but they are on the ubuntu wiki, and teach people how to do basic things such as add packages and use oo.org. On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Aaron Appelbaum wrote: > I found this great Linux HOWTO podcast from Chess Griffin called Linux > Reality (http://www.linuxreality.com/). Although Chess no longer creates new > episodes, he is a great teacher and his material was invaluable to me. > Perhaps we can use some of his episode content as teaching ideas for the > next meeting. > > Thoughts? > >> >> Second meeting, period, for me :) >> >> I missed last month (Not much I can do about a job that gets in the way), >> but I have the day off this month. Glee. >> >> >> Anyway, a while back (7/27-7/28 or so it looks like) there was a thread on >> the mailing list about starting a Linux beginner's class. I'd like to >> start >> the ball rolling on that (I'm glad to volunteer as a teacher). >> >> How many people might be interested in taking such a class or >> volunteering? >> Ideas? >> >> I don't know how well it would fit into meetings, but that seems like an >> appropriate time for such a class to take place (10-15 minute class, some >> topic each meeting? Just a thought...). >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Jack Mudge >> jakykong@theanythingbox.com >> GPG Pubkey ID: 0x78BEC84C >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Wed Sep 3 01:02:18 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Wed Sep 3 01:00:34 2008 Subject: Beginner's class (was Re: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting) In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0809022301v662712ecsa7791b5ee4496089@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> <90312f880809022255u3ad4694ua60a7b77e546420@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0809022301v662712ecsa7791b5ee4496089@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809030102.22674.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> I think it was mentioned in the previous thread; the message probably has a link. I was pondering using it. http://www.linuxreality.com/ is another possibility (suggested by Aaron). Of course, coming up with things on the spot is also possible, if not as efficient. :) On Tuesday 02 September 2008 11:01:34 pm you wrote: > There is also some ubuntu-based training materials... i cant remember > the address right now, but they are on the ubuntu wiki, and teach > people how to do basic things such as add packages and use oo.org. > > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Aaron Appelbaum wrote: > > I found this great Linux HOWTO podcast from Chess Griffin called Linux > > Reality (http://www.linuxreality.com/). Although Chess no longer > > creates new episodes, he is a great teacher and his material was > > invaluable to me. Perhaps we can use some of his episode content as > > teaching ideas for the next meeting. > > > > Thoughts? > > > >> Second meeting, period, for me :) > >> > >> I missed last month (Not much I can do about a job that gets in the > >> way), but I have the day off this month. Glee. > >> > >> > >> Anyway, a while back (7/27-7/28 or so it looks like) there was a > >> thread on the mailing list about starting a Linux beginner's class. > >> I'd like to start > >> the ball rolling on that (I'm glad to volunteer as a teacher). > >> > >> How many people might be interested in taking such a class or > >> volunteering? > >> Ideas? > >> > >> I don't know how well it would fit into meetings, but that seems like > >> an appropriate time for such a class to take place (10-15 minute > >> class, some topic each meeting? Just a thought...). > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sincerely, > >> Jack Mudge > >> jakykong@theanythingbox.com > >> GPG Pubkey ID: 0x78BEC84C > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gslug-general mailing list > >> Gslug-general@gslug.org > >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com GPG Pubkey ID: 0x78BEC84C -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080903/39a43ce0/attachment.pgp From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Sep 3 08:19:24 2008 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Sep 3 08:18:15 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting In-Reply-To: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> Message-ID: <893823750809030819v7c73402bucf19dc9751fd8398@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Joel R. Voss wrote: > I thought since no one has said anything about this month's meeting, I'd start > the conversation. If we're going to continue meeting on the second saturday > of the month, it would be Sept 13. Who usually updates the wiki and sets up > the room? Is all that in order? I'm looking forward to it. AFAIK, Eric Butler has been the man with the plan. Someone should poke him. > Also, if anyone is interested, the monthly Gentoo BugDay is online this > Saturday, Sept 6. Get more information here: http://bugday.gentoo.org/ > It'll be my first bugday, but it should be interesting. Fixing and testing > bugs is a great way to give back to the open source community. It's also a > great way to learn more about projects you are interested in and get > feedback. Every distro/project/company should have at least one bugday per > month. =) I think the last couple meetings there's been a little work on triaging/fixing Ubuntu bugs. From crash at neg9.org Wed Sep 3 11:04:33 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:03:25 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting In-Reply-To: <893823750809030819v7c73402bucf19dc9751fd8398@mail.gmail.com> References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com> <893823750809030819v7c73402bucf19dc9751fd8398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809031104m5a5d9565o2c86a0ae1687efca@mail.gmail.com> http://gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-09-13 I've created the page for the meeting and edited the home page, speakers are all that's needed! Thanks, -Ian On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Joel R. Voss wrote: >> I thought since no one has said anything about this month's meeting, I'd start >> the conversation. If we're going to continue meeting on the second saturday >> of the month, it would be Sept 13. Who usually updates the wiki and sets up >> the room? Is all that in order? I'm looking forward to it. > > AFAIK, Eric Butler has been the man with the plan. Someone should poke him. > >> Also, if anyone is interested, the monthly Gentoo BugDay is online this >> Saturday, Sept 6. Get more information here: http://bugday.gentoo.org/ >> It'll be my first bugday, but it should be interesting. Fixing and testing >> bugs is a great way to give back to the open source community. It's also a >> great way to learn more about projects you are interested in and get >> feedback. Every distro/project/company should have at least one bugday per >> month. =) > > > > I think the last couple meetings there's been a little work on > triaging/fixing Ubuntu bugs. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 11:26:36 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Wed Sep 3 11:25:07 2008 Subject: Beginner's class (was Re: [Gslug-general] Sept 13 Meeting) References: <200809021704.43935.jvoss@altsci.com><48BDEC28.1040506@chipnick.com> <200809022229.59910.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <01E9ABFC361E44AFBC4127249ED96E62@EeeXP> Jack T Mudge III wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general I'm very interested. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From obrienmd at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 13:33:15 2008 From: obrienmd at gmail.com (Michael D. O'Brien) Date: Thu Sep 4 13:32:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question Message-ID: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> Hello - I have a remote network (3 computers, 192.168.0.0/24), which I'd like to give my local network (5 computers, 10.0.0.0/24) access to via my ubuntu 8.04.1 server gateway. My local network ubuntu gateway computer is connected to the internet via a ppp0 interface. My remote network gateway is connected to the internet on a public eth0 interface, both have no firewalls for testing's sake. I've correctly configured routing on my local network gateway, as clients ( 10.0.0.199, for example), can reach normal web sites. When I start the pptp vpn, it connects fine as ppp1. My local network gateway can ping 192.168.0.0/0 computers (for instance, 192.168.0.2), and can use their services (for instance, http over telnet port 80). However, none of my local network clients (10.0.0.199, for example) can reach 192.168.0.0/24 computers. Any ideas? Mike OBrien -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080904/a2f38232/attachment.htm From m3047 at inwa.net Thu Sep 4 20:53:00 2008 From: m3047 at inwa.net (Fred Morris) Date: Thu Sep 4 20:51:17 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to say that the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16 machines. On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:33, Michael D. O'Brien wrote: > [...] > I've correctly configured routing on my local network gateway, as clients ( > 10.0.0.199, for example), can reach normal web sites. > > When I start the pptp vpn, it connects fine as ppp1. My local network > gateway can ping 192.168.0.0/0 computers (for instance, 192.168.0.2), and > can use their services (for instance, http over telnet port 80). However, > none of my local network clients (10.0.0.199, for example) can reach > 192.168.0.0/24 computers. > From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 4 20:55:09 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Thu Sep 4 20:53:54 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0809042055s231bc910le4b3a620d6da35f1@mail.gmail.com> I would guess its a NAT issue between your tun device and ethernet device. On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Fred Morris wrote: > My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to say that > the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface > (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16 machines. > > On Thursday 04 September 2008 13:33, Michael D. O'Brien wrote: >> [...] >> I've correctly configured routing on my local network gateway, as clients ( >> 10.0.0.199, for example), can reach normal web sites. >> >> When I start the pptp vpn, it connects fine as ppp1. My local network >> gateway can ping 192.168.0.0/0 computers (for instance, 192.168.0.2), and >> can use their services (for instance, http over telnet port 80). However, >> none of my local network clients (10.0.0.199, for example) can reach >> 192.168.0.0/24 computers. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Fri Sep 5 06:56:51 2008 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Fri Sep 5 06:56:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Ubuntu Desktop Training Course Message-ID: <200809050656.56892.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Greetings! Ok, so for anyone who's interested, I'll be presenting Chapter 2 from the Ubuntu Desktop Training materials during the next meeting. I'm not certain what the format will be like (it depends how much time I have). I'm going to bring a few copies of chapter 2 in dead tree format, if anyone wants a copy. 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Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080905/5f448f35/attachment.pgp From robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net Fri Sep 5 09:39:22 2008 From: robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net (Robert Long) Date: Fri Sep 5 09:44:49 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> Message-ID: <48C160BA.8090208@hq.speakeasy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Fred Morris wrote: > My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to say that > the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface > (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16 machines. > I kinda thought the same, but from how I read the original post I thought the gateway on the local network is what is doing the PPTP, so as long as the local clients have their default GW pointed to that, the GW should figure it out as it has a directly connected route to the remote network. What could be happening, and what I wasn't able to determine from the original description, is on the remote end where the tunnel is terminated. Hosts there will also need a route back to the local network, so that might be the place to start looking. If you're not using the default GW on the remote network for this, you'd need to add either A) routes on the remote hosts to point to the GW to the local network - or - B) a route on the remote default GW pointing to the 'local' network via whatever machine is setup as the PPTP end point and allow for ICMP-Redirects (enabled by default). Also make sure that the remote PPTP system has forwarding enabled. .r' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjBYLoACgkQmcorKWFVwQDm8gCgmD5fVm5RufQCegilyCF4c+Hb PFIAoJGsKPKI0BwajDYfEeoaLtZsfAdA =OQ6A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From obrienmd at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 11:25:14 2008 From: obrienmd at gmail.com (Michael D. O'Brien) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:24:00 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <48C160BA.8090208@hq.speakeasy.net> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> <48C160BA.8090208@hq.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <2c38abbb0809051125h414bc067qf83102fad8f1a5@mail.gmail.com> Just an FYI, if you see my reply post yesterday, I fixed it. Simple iptables issue... I'm a bit embarrassed. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Robert Long wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Fred Morris wrote: > > My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to say > that > > the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface > > (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16machines. > > > > > I kinda thought the same, but from how I read the original post I > thought the gateway on the local network is what is doing the PPTP, so > as long as the local clients have their default GW pointed to that, the > GW should figure it out as it has a directly connected route to the > remote network. > > > What could be happening, and what I wasn't able to determine from the > original description, is on the remote end where the tunnel is > terminated. Hosts there will also need a route back to the local > network, so that might be the place to start looking. > > > If you're not using the default GW on the remote network for this, you'd > need to add either A) routes on the remote hosts to point to the GW to > the local network - or - B) a route on the remote default GW pointing > to the 'local' network via whatever machine is setup as the PPTP end > point and allow for ICMP-Redirects (enabled by default). Also make sure > that the remote PPTP system has forwarding enabled. > > > .r' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjBYLoACgkQmcorKWFVwQDm8gCgmD5fVm5RufQCegilyCF4c+Hb > PFIAoJGsKPKI0BwajDYfEeoaLtZsfAdA > =OQ6A > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Michael O'Brien 253-217-7129 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080905/345fccec/attachment.htm From crash at neg9.org Fri Sep 5 11:43:36 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Fri Sep 5 11:48:47 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <2c38abbb0809051125h414bc067qf83102fad8f1a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> <48C160BA.8090208@hq.speakeasy.net> <2c38abbb0809051125h414bc067qf83102fad8f1a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809051143s390b06a7hb2aaaf2424ec221c@mail.gmail.com> Glad to hear it! If you could elaborate on the solution for others to see, that'd likely be useful as well. Was it just a masquerading issue? Thanks, -Ian On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Michael D. O'Brien wrote: > Just an FYI, if you see my reply post yesterday, I fixed it. Simple > iptables issue... I'm a bit embarrassed. > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Robert Long > wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Fred Morris wrote: >> > My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to say >> > that >> > the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface >> > (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16 >> > machines. >> > >> >> >> I kinda thought the same, but from how I read the original post I >> thought the gateway on the local network is what is doing the PPTP, so >> as long as the local clients have their default GW pointed to that, the >> GW should figure it out as it has a directly connected route to the >> remote network. >> >> >> What could be happening, and what I wasn't able to determine from the >> original description, is on the remote end where the tunnel is >> terminated. Hosts there will also need a route back to the local >> network, so that might be the place to start looking. >> >> >> If you're not using the default GW on the remote network for this, you'd >> need to add either A) routes on the remote hosts to point to the GW to >> the local network - or - B) a route on the remote default GW pointing >> to the 'local' network via whatever machine is setup as the PPTP end >> point and allow for ICMP-Redirects (enabled by default). Also make sure >> that the remote PPTP system has forwarding enabled. >> >> >> .r' >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkjBYLoACgkQmcorKWFVwQDm8gCgmD5fVm5RufQCegilyCF4c+Hb >> PFIAoJGsKPKI0BwajDYfEeoaLtZsfAdA >> =OQ6A >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > -- > Michael O'Brien > 253-217-7129 > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From obrienmd at gmail.com Fri Sep 5 15:04:13 2008 From: obrienmd at gmail.com (Michael D. O'Brien) Date: Fri Sep 5 15:03:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] New member, heavy pptp/routing question In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340809051143s390b06a7hb2aaaf2424ec221c@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c38abbb0809041333w3b993565g4e3b65c3dcab1db0@mail.gmail.com> <200809042053.00375.m3047@inwa.net> <48C160BA.8090208@hq.speakeasy.net> <2c38abbb0809051125h414bc067qf83102fad8f1a5@mail.gmail.com> <4b5c15340809051143s390b06a7hb2aaaf2424ec221c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c38abbb0809051504y265b02bfgb5a07df2328aa4f4@mail.gmail.com> Yes, just a masquerading issue. I had traffing going out the general internet link setup with an iptables masquerade rule, but none for the ppp1 link. Thus, while the packets were going out, there was no way for them to get back because the remote network hosts had no idea how to reach my private IP addresses on the other side of the ppp1 link. Setup nat/masquerade iptables rule allowing all incoming and outgoing, and presto! It worked. On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Ian Gallagher wrote: > Glad to hear it! If you could elaborate on the solution for others to > see, that'd likely be useful as well. Was it just a masquerading > issue? > > > Thanks, > -Ian > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Michael D. O'Brien > wrote: > > Just an FYI, if you see my reply post yesterday, I fixed it. Simple > > iptables issue... I'm a bit embarrassed. > > > > On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Robert Long < > robert.long@hq.speakeasy.net> > > wrote: > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Fred Morris wrote: > >> > My guess is you don't have routing configured correctly, which is to > say > >> > that > >> > the the local network clients don't know to choose the ppp1 interface > >> > (whatever its address is) as the "gateway" to the 192.168.0.0/16 > >> > machines. > >> > > >> > >> > >> I kinda thought the same, but from how I read the original post I > >> thought the gateway on the local network is what is doing the PPTP, so > >> as long as the local clients have their default GW pointed to that, the > >> GW should figure it out as it has a directly connected route to the > >> remote network. > >> > >> > >> What could be happening, and what I wasn't able to determine from the > >> original description, is on the remote end where the tunnel is > >> terminated. Hosts there will also need a route back to the local > >> network, so that might be the place to start looking. > >> > >> > >> If you're not using the default GW on the remote network for this, you'd > >> need to add either A) routes on the remote hosts to point to the GW to > >> the local network - or - B) a route on the remote default GW pointing > >> to the 'local' network via whatever machine is setup as the PPTP end > >> point and allow for ICMP-Redirects (enabled by default). Also make sure > >> that the remote PPTP system has forwarding enabled. > >> > >> > >> .r' > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >> > >> iEYEARECAAYFAkjBYLoACgkQmcorKWFVwQDm8gCgmD5fVm5RufQCegilyCF4c+Hb > >> PFIAoJGsKPKI0BwajDYfEeoaLtZsfAdA > >> =OQ6A > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gslug-general mailing list > >> Gslug-general@gslug.org > >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael O'Brien > > 253-217-7129 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Michael O'Brien 253-217-7129 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Make My Way your home on the Web - http://www.myway.com From eric at extremeboredom.net Wed Sep 10 12:18:00 2008 From: eric at extremeboredom.net (Eric Butler) Date: Wed Sep 10 12:16:31 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy Message-ID: Hi everyone, The September 13th meeting will *not* be at speakeasy. We're working on finding a new place nearby and I'll send out another email as soon as we have a plan. If your employer has space in Downtown Seattle we could use, please let me know. Thanks, - Eric From ryanc at greengrey.org Wed Sep 10 14:08:27 2008 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Wed Sep 10 14:13:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080910210827.GA18137@greengrey.org> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:18:00PM -0700, Eric Butler wrote: | The September 13th meeting will *not* be at speakeasy. We're working on | finding a new place nearby and I'll send out another email as soon as we | have a plan. Has Speakeasy rescinded their offer for our meetings to occur at their office, or just scheduling conflict? From robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net Wed Sep 10 16:29:34 2008 From: robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net (Robert Long) Date: Wed Sep 10 16:28:15 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C8585E.8040204@hq.speakeasy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Butler wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The September 13th meeting will *not* be at speakeasy. We're working on > finding a new place nearby and I'll send out another email as soon as we > have a plan. > > If your employer has space in Downtown Seattle we could use, please let me > know. > > Thanks, > - Eric > I just got done speaking with our HR person here who claims Speakeasy is going to be hosting the GSLUG this weekend on the 13th. - -- Robert Long Sr. Systems Engineer www.speakeasy.net Voice * Data * Managed Services -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjIWF4ACgkQmcorKWFVwQAFkgCfTSmYKavcJ3s0jciBjc+mBdin 4FoAoKSTad8pl7lJo8RTAHLH3Z4lr4cz =AzPi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crash at neg9.org Wed Sep 10 17:27:39 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Wed Sep 10 17:26:28 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy In-Reply-To: <48C8585E.8040204@hq.speakeasy.net> References: <48C8585E.8040204@hq.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809101727i2c0acf87yea664077e6f5ec7b@mail.gmail.com> We're currently trying to confirm this - we were told that Speakeasy was unable to host due to a conflict this weekend, but we were then told afterwards that they would be able to host us. We haven't made an official announcement to the list until we receive confirmation from our point of contact on the matter - but thanks for letting us know that it looks promising from inside. -Ian On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Robert Long wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eric Butler wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > The September 13th meeting will *not* be at speakeasy. We're working on > > finding a new place nearby and I'll send out another email as soon as we > > have a plan. > > > > If your employer has space in Downtown Seattle we could use, please let > me > > know. > > > > Thanks, > > - Eric > > > > I just got done speaking with our HR person here who claims Speakeasy is > going to be hosting the GSLUG this weekend on the 13th. > > > - -- > Robert Long > Sr. Systems Engineer > > www.speakeasy.net > Voice * Data * Managed Services > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjIWF4ACgkQmcorKWFVwQAFkgCfTSmYKavcJ3s0jciBjc+mBdin > 4FoAoKSTad8pl7lJo8RTAHLH3Z4lr4cz > =AzPi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080910/7e161e18/attachment.html From robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net Wed Sep 10 18:29:57 2008 From: robert.long at hq.speakeasy.net (Robert Long) Date: Wed Sep 10 18:28:36 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340809101727i2c0acf87yea664077e6f5ec7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <48C8585E.8040204@hq.speakeasy.net> <4b5c15340809101727i2c0acf87yea664077e6f5ec7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48C87495.1090105@hq.speakeasy.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ian Gallagher wrote: > We're currently trying to confirm this - we were told that Speakeasy was > unable to host due to a conflict this weekend, but we were then told > afterwards that they would be able to host us. We haven't made an official > announcement to the list until we receive confirmation from our point of > contact on the matter - but thanks for letting us know that it looks > promising from inside. > > -Ian I had Lori send something to Eric regarding this, she did so around 4pm on Wednesday after noon .r' -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjIdJUACgkQmcorKWFVwQANZgCfZmR0k60f+M4LGWBqVGR+EIxS Z9QAoIgRHf5AzXOuVc3m3hOMU477oh8J =0c7I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crash at neg9.org Thu Sep 11 10:34:12 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:32:53 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] September 13th Meeting - Location WILL be at Speakeasy in Downtown Seattle Message-ID: <4b5c15340809111034w165cd174g63c3bdbf813a77f@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, We're really sorry about the confusion - but Eric and I have spoken with Speakeasy, and double-confirmed from them that they will be hosting our meeting this Saturday. There was just a communication breakdown at one point, and someone other than our main point of contact (We know who that is now) made it sound like we couldn't host there, when in fact it was just a question from someone else. In any event, the meeting will go as planned at Speakeasy's downtown Seattle location, just as it has in the past. Sorry about the confusion! The wiki has been updated to reflect the meeting taking place at Speakeasy (Thanks for updating the meeting page, Robert!): http://gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2008-09-13 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080911/d4c7f021/attachment.htm From crash at neg9.org Thu Sep 11 10:35:42 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Sep 11 10:34:20 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] VERY IMPORTANT - Sept 13 Meeting will *NOT* be at Speakeasy In-Reply-To: <48C87495.1090105@hq.speakeasy.net> References: <48C8585E.8040204@hq.speakeasy.net> <4b5c15340809101727i2c0acf87yea664077e6f5ec7b@mail.gmail.com> <48C87495.1090105@hq.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809111035m538b4dbcq2e8496627478592f@mail.gmail.com> The wiki has been updated, to anyone reading this thread - we ARE hosting the GSLUG meeting at the Speakeasy office in downtown Seattle again this month! Sorry about the confusion. -Ian On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Robert Long wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ian Gallagher wrote: > > We're currently trying to confirm this - we were told that Speakeasy was > > unable to host due to a conflict this weekend, but we were then told > > afterwards that they would be able to host us. We haven't made an > official > > announcement to the list until we receive confirmation from our point of > > contact on the matter - but thanks for letting us know that it looks > > promising from inside. > > > > -Ian > > I had Lori send something to Eric regarding this, she did so around 4pm > on Wednesday after noon > > .r' > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkjIdJUACgkQmcorKWFVwQANZgCfZmR0k60f+M4LGWBqVGR+EIxS > Z9QAoIgRHf5AzXOuVc3m3hOMU477oh8J > =0c7I > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080911/5e80c88e/attachment.html From mark at foster.cc Mon Sep 15 12:51:13 2008 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Mon Sep 15 12:49:46 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] planet gslug? Message-ID: <48CEBCB1.7050404@foster.cc> Why is planet gslug down? http://planet.gslug.org/ If you need someone to run it, I'm happy to do so. -- Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints... Mark D. Foster, CISSP http://mark.foster.cc/ From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 12:34:04 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald Gardner) Date: Wed Sep 17 17:42:06 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and XP Message-ID: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to destroy something that works From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Wed Sep 17 12:36:47 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald Gardner) Date: Wed Sep 17 17:42:08 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and amateur radio Message-ID: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> It seems to me.... I am a newbie with Linux and GSLUG, but have noticed some interesting things. I first belonged to the world of amateur radio. Many years later, I joined the computing world after I "met the MAC". What bothers me is that the two worlds seem to be isolated. Now that we have the internet, many people like me are asking "what can we do with the internet in amateur radio because the internet is such a good tool. Also, I read about a seminar given in Chicago that described the radio signals being digitized right at the antenna base. It seems to be this would bring BIG changes in the development of radio. computers and amateur radio are slowly blending together. Does anyone have any thoughts on linux and amateur radio? From technoshaman at liawol.org Wed Sep 17 17:52:39 2008 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Wed Sep 17 17:51:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and XP In-Reply-To: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <20080918005239.GG21097@liawol.org> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:34:04PM -0700, Donald Gardner wrote: >does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my >linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to >destroy something that works Only way to do this that I know of is DISCONNECT the SUSE drive, load XP on a separate drive (set as slave or on a secondary controller), then reconnect the SUSE drive and tell GRUB where XP lives. The XP installer WILL FRY any boot partitions it sees. It does not like them, Spam-I-Am. Alternate method if you don't like mucking about in hardware is tell SUSE to clone itself to DVD, then nuke, pave, partition, drop XP, then SUSE over top off your clone DVD. This requires some YAST tools whose precise names escape me (autoyast-somethingorother), but it's easy and really not all that time-consuming... and then you've got an OS backup into the bargain. Make sure /home gets backed up separately and such... -- Glenn From crash at neg9.org Wed Sep 17 17:58:30 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Wed Sep 17 17:56:57 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and amateur radio In-Reply-To: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809171758g3cf37821xde25b8ca143ede6a@mail.gmail.com> Hi Donald, I'm pretty excited about amateur radio and Linux, actually - there's a pretty good number of applications out there for Linux that work with amateur radio, including a slew of ones for digital communications, satellite tracking, and logging. Eric and I were talking about researching that stuff some more and presenting about it, perhaps you would like to collaborate with us on that? What's your current status as a ham, have you played with any of the Linux ham apps that are out there? Thanks, -Ian On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: > It seems to me.... I am a newbie with Linux and GSLUG, but have noticed > some interesting things. I first belonged to the world of amateur radio. > Many years later, I joined the computing world after I "met the MAC". > What bothers me is that the two worlds seem to be isolated. Now that we > have the internet, many people like me are asking "what can we do with > the internet in amateur radio because the internet is such a good tool. > > Also, I read about a seminar given in Chicago that described the radio > signals being digitized right at the antenna base. It seems to be this > would bring BIG changes in the development of radio. computers and > amateur radio are slowly blending together. Does anyone have any > thoughts on linux and amateur radio? > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080917/77ff3f72/attachment.htm From frcaen at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:58:57 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Wed Sep 17 17:57:24 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and amateur radio In-Reply-To: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <58cfe2840809171758oee5c6b5n133e26b24c13962c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: > What bothers me is that the two worlds seem to be isolated. They're not. A lot of folks are both radio and linux geeks. I have no interest in radio personally, but I've seen several discussions on the topic on other more popular mailing lists. I'd encourage you to join SLL and Taclug's list, and ask there. Between those and Google, you should find other people with similar interests. Good luck. -- Francois Caen From brianrluft at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 18:15:23 2008 From: brianrluft at gmail.com (Brian Luft) Date: Wed Sep 17 18:13:48 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and XP In-Reply-To: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: This is the guide I often refer to when attempting a dual boot: http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm It is not too big of a hassle to get XP installed after shrinking a Linux install. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: > does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my > linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to > destroy something that works > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080917/ea5dfc5e/attachment.html From sealinux at nenarb.net Wed Sep 17 22:23:30 2008 From: sealinux at nenarb.net (branen salmon) Date: Wed Sep 17 22:29:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and amateur radio In-Reply-To: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <48D1E5D2.3020700@nenarb.net> Donald Gardner wrote: > It seems to me.... I am a newbie with Linux and GSLUG, but have noticed > some interesting things. I first belonged to the world of amateur radio. > Many years later, I joined the computing world after I "met the MAC". > What bothers me is that the two worlds seem to be isolated. Now that we > have the internet, many people like me are asking "what can we do with > the internet in amateur radio because the internet is such a good tool. There's a long tradition of ham software in the open source world. Some include: atlc - Arbitrary Transmission Line Calculator colrdx - DX-cluster client with curses color support fbb - Packet radio mailbox and utilities gmfsk - MFSK, RTTY and other digital mode terminal for HF/amateur radio hf - amateur-radio protocol suite using a soundcard as a modem libhamlib-utils - Utilities to support the hamlib radio control library linpsk - Program for operating PSK31/RTTY modes with X GUI marote - Rig Control Program for the Elecraft K2 node - Amateur Packet Radio Node program p10cfgd - Remote configuration daemon for Gracilis Packeten phaseshift - PSK31 terminal for X11 pingpong - Free server for Amateur Radio convers pskmail - client for HF narrow band mail delivery system for amateur radio soundmodem - Sound Card Amateur Packet Radio Modems tqsllib1c2a - QSL signing routines for the Logbook of the World (LoTW) trustedqsl - QSL log signing for the Logbook of the World (LoTW) wsjt - weak-signal amateur radio communications xdx - DX-cluster tcp/ip client for amateur radio xlog - GTK+ Logging program for Hamradio Operators xwota - GTK client to the WOTA Database > Also, I read about a seminar given in Chicago that described the radio > signals being digitized right at the antenna base. It seems to be this > would bring BIG changes in the development of radio. computers and > amateur radio are slowly blending together. Does anyone have any > thoughts on linux and amateur radio? You might be interested in GNU Radio and the Universal Software Radio Peripheral: http://gnuradio.org/trac/wiki/FAQ#WhatisGNURadio http://www.ettus.com/ It's already being used to decode DTV broadcasts in real-time, and I've heard that there may be a USRP onboard AMSAT OSCAR. Hope that helps! --b From bentson at holmsjoen.com Thu Sep 18 06:59:28 2008 From: bentson at holmsjoen.com (Randolph Bentson) Date: Thu Sep 18 07:38:47 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and amateur radio In-Reply-To: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> References: <1221680207.4598.0.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <20080918135928.GB22069@holmsjoen.com> On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:36:47PM -0700, Donald Gardner wrote: > Also, I read about a seminar given in Chicago that described the radio > signals being digitized right at the antenna base. It seems to be this > would bring BIG changes in the development of radio. computers and > amateur radio are slowly blending together. Does anyone have any > thoughts on linux and amateur radio? Yes, software defined radio (SDR) is a most interesting concept. Radio signals are typically lower frequency signals which are mixed with/against a higher frequency base to get into the kilohertz, megahertz ranges and beyond. A computer cannot create the higher frequency signal directly, but it can generate the lower frequency signal from a specialized soundcard-like device. This means all kinds of fancy modulation can be had by the flip of a bit in the controlling software. (I should mention that this flexibility is a concern to the regulating agencies. It's one of the reasons we don't see totally open source for some WiFi cards.) I had a student play with this in a physics lab a few years ago. He could not only decode broadcast radio, but broadcast TV as well. -- Randolph Bentson bentson@holmsjoen.com From bri at ifokr.org Thu Sep 18 12:44:22 2008 From: bri at ifokr.org (Brian Hatch) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:44:28 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) Message-ID: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> (Excuse a bit of cross posting, these seemed to be the most likely local lists to get some bang for the buck.) My daughter's elementary school is interested in having a 'tech lab on wheels' - a cart with a bunch of laptops that can be wheeled into a classroom and used by the kids. Here's what they came up with for requirements: Hardware: o 26-30 laptops, Macintosh o Rolling carts that allow secure storage and recharging o Airport wireless stations throughout the school o Printers connected to Airport base stations ? Software: o Apple iLife software (multimedia) o Microsoft Office ? Curriculum: o Project-based rather than curriculum-driven o Multimedia projects o Internet Research o Keyboarding o Word processing ? Other: o Create procedures to secure and recharge lab each night o Teachers trained to be checked out on using the lab Now part of the problem is that we didn't start with "what do we want to be able to do". Instead it was "what hardware/software do we need". I was thinking a cart full of Linux (Edubuntu?) EeePCs, a printer and an AP that can plug into the wall, are a better way to go, both from a Free Software, maintainability, and cost standpoint. Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something similar? Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? -- Brian Hatch Never, ever use Systems and repetitive redundancies. Security Engineer http://www.ifokr.org/bri/ Every message PGP signed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080918/4e533dbf/attachment.pgp From travis.eeepc at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 12:54:29 2008 From: travis.eeepc at gmail.com (Travis) Date: Thu Sep 18 12:52:47 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> Message-ID: <3E1CA90615CF44CBA23DF0B75344B5FC@EeePC> Brian Hatch wrote: I thought most schools in the Puget Sound region had computers in their schools. -- Travis in Shoreline Washington From jarod at wilsonet.com Thu Sep 18 13:03:34 2008 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Thu Sep 18 13:07:20 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) In-Reply-To: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> Message-ID: <1221768214.13487.56.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:44 -0700, Brian Hatch wrote: > (Excuse a bit of cross posting, these seemed to be the most likely > local lists to get some bang for the buck.) > > My daughter's elementary school is interested in having a > 'tech lab on wheels' - a cart with a bunch of laptops > that can be wheeled into a classroom and used by the kids. > > Here's what they came up with for requirements: > > > Hardware: > o 26-30 laptops, Macintosh [...] > Now part of the problem is that we didn't start with "what do > we want to be able to do". Instead it was "what hardware/software > do we need". At least they went with Macs and not Windows. :) > I was thinking a cart full of Linux (Edubuntu?) EeePCs, a printer > and an AP that can plug into the wall, are a better way to go, > both from a Free Software, maintainability, and cost standpoint. > > Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something > similar? One Laptop Per Child comes to mind. Not directly applicable, but similar goal to get low-cost, easily maintainable computers in front of kids. > Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? I'm quite partial to the Acer Aspire One over the EeePC. At least, the EeePC model that a co-worker has, the keyboard is *painfully* small. Probably not a big issue for school kids though. Regardless, the AAO is IMO a more attractive little machine than any of the EeePC line, both aesthetically and financially, in addition to having a keyboard I can actually type on (oh yeah, did I mention I own one? $330 from newegg). -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From reed at reedmedia.net Thu Sep 18 13:02:45 2008 From: reed at reedmedia.net (Jeremy C. Reed) Date: Thu Sep 18 13:23:33 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) In-Reply-To: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Brian Hatch wrote: > Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something > similar? Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? I am on the schoolforge-discuss and older seul-edu list and I recall this was discussed. I think this is it: http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Apr-2006/msg00111.html Case Study: Linux Thin-client Laptop Cart http://blog.k12opensource.com/2006/04/case-study-linux-thin-client-laptop.html http://www.linux.com/feature/55632 http://www.schoolforge.net/education-case-studies/success-k12-linux-terminal-server-project-k12ltsp-turns-school-project-district-initiative http://www.educacionenvalores.org/article.php3?id_article=1025 http://www.gosef.org/ Hope this helps. Good luck with this. And let us know how it goes. From thushw at gmail.com Thu Sep 18 14:32:06 2008 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Thu Sep 18 14:30:32 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux and XP In-Reply-To: References: <1221680044.4502.1.camel@donald.gardner> Message-ID: <2625b9520809181432t49fbab54v447d1b321fa059bb@mail.gmail.com> if you want to go the VM route, you might try VirtualBox (I had good luck with it running XP inside the VB hosted on Ubuntu) thushara On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Brian Luft wrote: > This is the guide I often refer to when attempting a dual boot: > http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm > > It is not too big of a hassle to get XP installed after shrinking a Linux > install. > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: > >> does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my >> linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to >> destroy something that works >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080918/9076f27c/attachment.html From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Thu Sep 18 16:50:38 2008 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Thu Sep 18 16:55:45 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Suse Linux and XP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <173464.12542.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Hi Brian, Thanks for your reply.? I read thru most of the tutorial and tried the first part.? The problem is that it is written for Ubunto Linux and my machine came with Suse Linux so it was difficult to follow although I found the Gnome text editor and terminal.? I could not get the terminal to recognize "sudo"; it just said error 'command not found' or something like that.?? Any other ideas for Suse Linux?? ? --- On Wed, 9/17/08, Brian Luft wrote: :http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm It is not too big of a hassle to get XP installed after shrinking a Linux install. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to destroy something that works _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am most interested in the area of digital communication since this is where computers control radios. thanks for the reply Hi Donald, I'm pretty excited about amateur radio and Linux, actually - there's a pretty good number of applications out there for Linux that work with amateur radio, including a slew of ones for digital communications, satellite tracking, and logging. Eric and I were talking about researching that stuff some more and presenting about it, perhaps you would like to collaborate with us on that? What's your current status as a ham, have you played with any of the Linux ham apps that are out there? Thanks, -Ian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080918/73750930/attachment.html From crash at neg9.org Thu Sep 18 17:12:52 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:11:18 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Suse Linux and XP In-Reply-To: <173464.12542.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <173464.12542.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809181712s11586e84yb0f0bf1d4c873df0@mail.gmail.com> Hi Donald, You may see if you can install the sudo package for Suse, with the Suse package manager - otherwise, if you can get to a root command prompt (How about typing 'su -' in the command prompt, and entering your root password?) then run any of the commands that start with sudo, but with the word "sudo" removed - i.e. if the command was "sudo vi /etc/somefile" then just run the "su -" command, then at the root prompt, run "vi /etc/somefile" Hope that helps, -Ian On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Donald G wrote: > Hi Brian, Thanks for your reply. I read thru most of the tutorial and > tried the first part. The problem is that it is written for Ubunto Linux > and my machine came with Suse Linux so it was difficult to follow although > I found the Gnome text editor and terminal. I could not get the terminal to > recognize "sudo"; it just said error 'command not found' or something like > that. Any other ideas for Suse Linux?? > > > --- On *Wed, 9/17/08, Brian Luft * wrote: > > : > http://apcmag.com/how_to_dual_boot_linux_and_windows_xp_linux_installed_first.htm > > It is not too big of a hassle to get XP installed after shrinking a Linux > install. > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Donald Gardner wrote: > >> does anyone know how to load XP on top of Suse Linux WITHOUT killing my >> linux first. I have linux already loaded (and working) so I don't to >> destroy something that works >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080918/b34d7778/attachment.htm From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 18 17:56:53 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:55:19 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) In-Reply-To: References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0809181756od41a718wcba0421723d199f5@mail.gmail.com> Well as far as the airports, i can get them the contact info of the shoreline schools net admin, who would be willing to tell them horror stories. Basically, they should go for some WRTs or more expensive APs. Apple ones might be somewhat easy to manage, but not in the long run, where they break down, and have a low number of clients, not to mention no vlan connectivity, and low throughput. as far as eepcs, i dont think that would fly too easily, unless you could pitch them a support contract. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Brian Hatch wrote: > >> Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something >> similar? Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? > > I am on the schoolforge-discuss and older seul-edu list and I recall this > was discussed. > > I think this is it: > > http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Apr-2006/msg00111.html > > Case Study: Linux Thin-client Laptop Cart > http://blog.k12opensource.com/2006/04/case-study-linux-thin-client-laptop.html > > http://www.linux.com/feature/55632 > > http://www.schoolforge.net/education-case-studies/success-k12-linux-terminal-server-project-k12ltsp-turns-school-project-district-initiative > > http://www.educacionenvalores.org/article.php3?id_article=1025 > > http://www.gosef.org/ > > Hope this helps. > > Good luck with this. > > And let us know how it goes. > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Thu Sep 18 17:57:47 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Thu Sep 18 17:56:13 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0809181756od41a718wcba0421723d199f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> <2b5bab0f0809181756od41a718wcba0421723d199f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0809181757y34cca5d0p1793a2068102f5f5@mail.gmail.com> also... suggest they try out neo office, or at least use pages, to cut the microsoft licensing fees. (should they go with macs, which are surprisingly easy to manage and lock down) On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > Well as far as the airports, i can get them the contact info of the > shoreline schools net admin, who would be willing to tell them horror > stories. Basically, they should go for some WRTs or more expensive > APs. Apple ones might be somewhat easy to manage, but not in the long > run, where they break down, and have a low number of clients, not to > mention no vlan connectivity, and low throughput. > > as far as eepcs, i dont think that would fly too easily, unless you > could pitch them a support contract. > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Brian Hatch wrote: >> >>> Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something >>> similar? Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? >> >> I am on the schoolforge-discuss and older seul-edu list and I recall this >> was discussed. >> >> I think this is it: >> >> http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Apr-2006/msg00111.html >> >> Case Study: Linux Thin-client Laptop Cart >> http://blog.k12opensource.com/2006/04/case-study-linux-thin-client-laptop.html >> >> http://www.linux.com/feature/55632 >> >> http://www.schoolforge.net/education-case-studies/success-k12-linux-terminal-server-project-k12ltsp-turns-school-project-district-initiative >> >> http://www.educacionenvalores.org/article.php3?id_article=1025 >> >> http://www.gosef.org/ >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Good luck with this. >> >> And let us know how it goes. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: > "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff > > "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer > sentence." - The History Boys > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From gray.andrew at comcast.net Thu Sep 18 19:33:47 2008 From: gray.andrew at comcast.net (gray.andrew@comcast.net) Date: Thu Sep 18 19:38:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Save our schools! (From inferiour operating systems) References: <20080918194421.GG14353@ifokr.org> <2b5bab0f0809181756od41a718wcba0421723d199f5@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0809181757y34cca5d0p1793a2068102f5f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: NeoOffice? The Aqua-based OpenOffice port? Here's some interesting news. Release Candidate 1 for OpenOffice.org 3.0 is out. Since it's an rc it's fairly stable. Better yet, it has built-in aqua support for the Mac OS X release, so *no more X11*. I use it on my Mac and have been writing an .odp hopefully to present at the next gslug. Paul Bartell writes: > also... suggest they try out neo office, or at least use pages, to cut > the microsoft licensing fees. (should they go with macs, which are > surprisingly easy to manage and lock down) > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: >> Well as far as the airports, i can get them the contact info of the >> shoreline schools net admin, who would be willing to tell them horror >> stories. Basically, they should go for some WRTs or more expensive >> APs. Apple ones might be somewhat easy to manage, but not in the long >> run, where they break down, and have a low number of clients, not to >> mention no vlan connectivity, and low throughput. >> >> as far as eepcs, i dont think that would fly too easily, unless you >> could pitch them a support contract. >> >> On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008, Brian Hatch wrote: >>> >>>> Anyone have experience or know anyone who's tried to do something >>>> similar? Good stories? Ideas? Things to avoid? >>> >>> I am on the schoolforge-discuss and older seul-edu list and I recall this >>> was discussed. >>> >>> I think this is it: >>> >>> http://archives.seul.org/schoolforge/discuss/Apr-2006/msg00111.html >>> >>> Case Study: Linux Thin-client Laptop Cart >>> http://blog.k12opensource.com/2006/04/case-study-linux-thin-client-laptop.html >>> >>> http://www.linux.com/feature/55632 >>> >>> http://www.schoolforge.net/education-case-studies/success-k12-linux-terminal-server-project-k12ltsp-turns-school-project-district-initiative >>> >>> http://www.educacionenvalores.org/article.php3?id_article=1025 >>> >>> http://www.gosef.org/ >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Good luck with this. >>> >>> And let us know how it goes. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: >> "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff >> >> "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer >> sentence." - The History Boys >> > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: > "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff > > "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer > sentence." - The History Boys > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jtg at intarcorp.com Tue Sep 30 12:55:54 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Tue Sep 30 12:54:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux Message-ID: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> Hey all, I write editorials for a linux-related website, and for my next one (due next Friday), I am looking to profile a non-tech company that uses Linux in its day-to-day business. Since I know a lot of people on here do consulting work for all kinds of organizations, I want to know if anyone here can refer me to a client of theirs whom I can interview for the article. Ideally this will be an interesting and/ or out-of-the-ordinary sort of business that uses a Linux-based OS on its desktops and has complex or special needs. Please get in touch with me with details about your client if you're interested in having one profiled. Thanks, Jeremiah From jtg at intarcorp.com Tue Sep 30 13:03:17 2008 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Tue Sep 30 13:01:42 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> Message-ID: <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> Oh my bad, it's not *mine* but www.linuxinsider.com On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Steve Herber wrote: > Give us a hint. What is the URL of your linux-related website? > > Cheers! > > -- > Steve Herber herber@thing.com work: 206-221-7262 > Security Engineer, UW Medicine, IT Services home: 425-454-2399 > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I write editorials for a linux-related website, and for my next >> one (due next Friday), I am looking to profile a non-tech company >> that uses Linux in its day-to-day business. Since I know a lot of >> people on here do consulting work for all kinds of organizations, >> I want to know if anyone here can refer me to a client of theirs >> whom I can interview for the article. Ideally this will be an >> interesting and/or out-of-the-ordinary sort of business that uses >> a Linux-based OS on its desktops and has complex or special needs. >> >> Please get in touch with me with details about your client if >> you're interested in having one profiled. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeremiah >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 14:57:52 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Tue Sep 30 14:56:03 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> Message-ID: <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats basically linux. Unix-like. Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > Oh my bad, it's not *mine* but www.linuxinsider.com > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Steve Herber wrote: > >> Give us a hint. What is the URL of your linux-related website? >> >> Cheers! >> >> -- Steve Herber herber@thing.com work: 206-221-7262 >> Security Engineer, UW Medicine, IT Services home: 425-454-2399 >> >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I write editorials for a linux-related website, and for my next one >>> (due next Friday), I am looking to profile a non-tech company that >>> uses Linux in its day-to-day business. Since I know a lot of people >>> on here do consulting work for all kinds of organizations, I want to >>> know if anyone here can refer me to a client of theirs whom I can >>> interview for the article. Ideally this will be an interesting >>> and/or out-of-the-ordinary sort of business that uses a Linux-based >>> OS on its desktops and has complex or special needs. >>> >>> Please get in touch with me with details about your client if you're >>> interested in having one profiled. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeremiah >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/234d6e84/attachment.htm From crash at neg9.org Tue Sep 30 15:11:32 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:09:40 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809301511rb9f4adm6700983d7f8730e7@mail.gmail.com> Hmm, maybe directly on their thin-clients, but they all seem to RDP into some windows terminal server from what I've seen (on the systems the employees use to lookup product info for example) Anyone else have more authoritative info on this (I'm just going on what I think I've seen)? -Ian On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael wrote: > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > basically linux. Unix-like. > > > Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > > Oh my bad, it's not *mine* but www.linuxinsider.com > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Steve Herber wrote: > > Give us a hint. What is the URL of your linux-related website? > > Cheers! > > -- Steve Herber herber@thing.com work: 206-221-7262 > Security Engineer, UW Medicine, IT Services home: 425-454-2399 > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Jeremiah T. Gray wrote: > > Hey all, > > I write editorials for a linux-related website, and for my next one (due > next Friday), I am looking to profile a non-tech company that uses Linux in > its day-to-day business. Since I know a lot of people on here do consulting > work for all kinds of organizations, I want to know if anyone here can refer > me to a client of theirs whom I can interview for the article. Ideally this > will be an interesting and/or out-of-the-ordinary sort of business that uses > a Linux-based OS on its desktops and has complex or special needs. > > Please get in touch with me with details about your client if you're > interested in having one profiled. > > Thanks, > Jeremiah > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From frcaen at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 15:19:46 2008 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:17:51 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael wrote: > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats basically > linux. Unix-like. Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open Software... :-) -- Francois Caen From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Tue Sep 30 15:33:21 2008 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:52:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080930223321.GV10143@seattlefenix.net> * james michael (jamesthefishy@gmail.com) [080930 14:58]: > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > basically linux. Unix-like. It's nextstep on mach with freebsd goodies stitched in. Except it isn't. That's a gross generalization. OS X is not Linux and it is not like Linux, any more than Solaris and AIX are "like" Linux. Yes, I know this is pedantic. It is, however, an important enough detail that we should correct it. -- Benjamin Krueger From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 16:00:26 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Tue Sep 30 15:58:37 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of computer of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. Francois Caen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael wrote: > >> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats basically >> linux. Unix-like. >> > > Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open Software... > :-) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/8fa1b691/attachment.htm From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 16:03:28 2008 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Tue Sep 30 16:01:36 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <20080930223321.GV10143@seattlefenix.net> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <20080930223321.GV10143@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <48E2B040.3060503@gmail.com> I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code from the 70's on it. Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * james michael (jamesthefishy@gmail.com) [080930 14:58]: > >> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats >> basically linux. Unix-like. >> > > It's nextstep on mach with freebsd goodies stitched in. Except it isn't. That's a gross generalization. OS X is not Linux and it is not like Linux, any more than Solaris and AIX are "like" Linux. > > Yes, I know this is pedantic. It is, however, an important enough detail that we should correct it. > > -- > Benjamin Krueger > > From rob at willenbergs.com Tue Sep 30 16:15:05 2008 From: rob at willenbergs.com (Rob Willenberg) Date: Tue Sep 30 16:13:21 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> IIRC, Ernie Ball has moved the whole company to Linux desktops a few years back. Not sure about the back of the house. On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:08 PM, james michael wrote: > Also taco bell uses POS systems that are Linux. Which sync to the > back office running the main server, BUT either of these systems can > really be considered linux/unix according to some people. > > Rob Willenberg wrote: >> >> Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. >> >> >> >> On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael >> wrote: >> >>> Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and >>> nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux >>> uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of >>> computer of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. >>> >>> Francois Caen wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know >>>>> thats basically >>>>> linux. Unix-like. >>>>> >>>> Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / >>>> Open Software... >>>> :-) >>>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/7c4fcb9d/attachment.html From jtgray79 at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 16:21:43 2008 From: jtgray79 at gmail.com (Jeremiah T Gray) Date: Tue Sep 30 16:20:05 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> Message-ID: <8E102DAC-67CE-45C7-B480-CA0BA0ECDFC5@gmail.com> Either Ernie Ball or REI would be a big score. Anyone know anyone at either? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Rob Willenberg wrote: > IIRC, Ernie Ball has moved the whole company to Linux desktops a few > years back. Not sure about the back of the house. > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:08 PM, james michael > wrote: > >> Also taco bell uses POS systems that are Linux. Which sync to the >> back office running the main server, BUT either of these systems >> can really be considered linux/unix according to some people. >> >> Rob Willenberg wrote: >>> >>> Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and >>>> nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop >>>> linux uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of >>>> computer of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. >>>> >>>> Francois Caen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael >>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know >>>>>> thats basically >>>>>> linux. Unix-like. >>>>>> >>>>> Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / >>>>> Open Software... >>>>> :-) >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Gslug-general mailing list >>>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/ff6e6b69/attachment.htm From paul-bartell at ubuntu.com Tue Sep 30 16:23:27 2008 From: paul-bartell at ubuntu.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Tue Sep 30 16:21:31 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0809301623h6e4a51a1w8f4f5a9db4d07c9a@mail.gmail.com> A surprising number of POS systems are linux based. You might also mention that Airplane Entertainment systems run on linux (it was a good day to see a penguin while the screen in the seatback was lighting up) On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Rob Willenberg wrote: > IIRC, Ernie Ball has moved the whole company to Linux desktops a few years > back. Not sure about the back of the house. > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:08 PM, james michael wrote: > > Also taco bell uses POS systems that are Linux. Which sync to the back > office running the main server, BUT either of these systems can really be > considered linux/unix according to some people. > > Rob Willenberg wrote: > > Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael wrote: > > Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and nothing > about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux uses with REI > does allow their employees to use any type of computer of their choice as > long as they can be productive on it. > > Francois Caen wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael > wrote: > > > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats basically > linux. Unix-like. > > > Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open > Software... > :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From aonoraha at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 16:53:56 2008 From: aonoraha at gmail.com (Aaron Appelbaum) Date: Tue Sep 30 16:52:04 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0809301623h6e4a51a1w8f4f5a9db4d07c9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> <2b5bab0f0809301623h6e4a51a1w8f4f5a9db4d07c9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90312f880809301653y4a61d13jfd2fe1f7de95d56a@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > A surprising number of POS systems are linux based. You might also > mention that Airplane Entertainment systems run on linux (it was a > good day to see a penguin while the screen in the seatback was > lighting up) > > Even more surprising is the amount of POS, e-Voting Machines, and ATMs that are Microsoft based! I was purchasing an item at Home Depot on one of those self-checkout systems. The system crashed right after processing my credit card. nA employee opened the machine, pulled out a keyboard and rebooted the computer. Upon reboot Windows XP loaded with what appeared to be a standard open desktop. The POS software then loaded, but it took almost 5 mins to initialize. I hope the system was locked down, but I have my doubts. ~Aaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/2372f03b/attachment.htm From rob at willenbergs.com Tue Sep 30 16:05:27 2008 From: rob at willenbergs.com (Rob Willenberg) Date: Tue Sep 30 19:46:30 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> Lowes uses Linux based POS systems. On Sep 30, 2008, at 4:00 PM, james michael wrote: > Actually all he said was non-tech businesses that use linux and > nothing about open source or free anything. He said, Desktop linux > uses with REI does allow their employees to use any type of computer > of their choice as long as they can be productive on it. > > Francois Caen wrote: >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:57 PM, james michael > > wrote: >> >>> I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats >>> basically >>> linux. Unix-like. >>> >> Wow... Someone needs a reminder on the core concepts of Free / Open >> Software... >> :-) >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/1aa1794c/attachment.html From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Sep 30 21:31:20 2008 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Sep 30 21:30:07 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0809301623h6e4a51a1w8f4f5a9db4d07c9a@mail.gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <58cfe2840809301519y475de444re2965a8213b5775a@mail.gmail.com> <48E2AF8A.6060302@gmail.com> <4C6E631D-FCAD-4414-A822-6E9F1EC324F3@willenbergs.com> <48E2B161.10808@gmail.com> <61D0713E-8962-4A1F-ADBD-CA169E44D6BA@willenbergs.com> <2b5bab0f0809301623h6e4a51a1w8f4f5a9db4d07c9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Paul Bartell wrote: > A surprising number of POS systems are linux based. You might also > mention that Airplane Entertainment systems run on linux (it was a good > day to see a penguin while the screen in the seatback was lighting up) I can vouch for the fact that Linux is on more than just IFE (In-Flight Entertainment) systems. Adam Monsen and I developed the embedded Linux operating system for an airplane based router that's flying on more than a few Boeing 777-300 aircraft. ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Sep 30 21:25:00 2008 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Sep 30 21:43:12 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > I think REI uses linux, i know they use mac and we all know thats > basically linux. Unix-like. REI is an AIX shop. And by "unix-like" I think you mean "POSIX". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Tue Sep 30 21:26:42 2008 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Tue Sep 30 21:43:14 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: <48E2B040.3060503@gmail.com> References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <20080930223321.GV10143@seattlefenix.net> <48E2B040.3060503@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > from the 70's on it. When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX ..Chuck.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." -Amanda Bloom From crash at neg9.org Tue Sep 30 22:35:19 2008 From: crash at neg9.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Tue Sep 30 22:33:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] Businesses that use Linux In-Reply-To: References: <65F88717-F012-4D75-9B39-A258F2CD07C9@intarcorp.com> <1CBF9D08-4E02-4769-BAE8-494BC37AD64A@intarcorp.com> <48E2A0E0.90208@gmail.com> <20080930223321.GV10143@seattlefenix.net> <48E2B040.3060503@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340809302235h3b9ea638g4c8ce574b08cb773@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of any companies using Linux on the desktop that fit this non-technical description? I think with the ways Linux is going now a days, that's the (one of the) intended purpose, so it'd be great to see that in the field somewhere. I'm by no means discounting the fact that Linux is in use in many of these "behind the scenes" areas, that's great, but part of it's greatness is also due to the fact that it can perform perfectly with no one knowing it's there, that it's Linux, or otherwise. Conscious use of Linux from day-to-day in a business would be another story, which I hope we can uncover. I know there was a talk a while back from a couple who setup their Attorney's office with all Linux - could the two of you chime in here and recap how all of that's working out for you? Thanks! -Ian On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Chuck Wolber wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, james michael wrote: > > > I would consider Solaris and AIX unix-like because you all forget unix > > wasn't free to begin with. In fact they are more unix-like then linux > > because of the fact that linux is a clone where AIX is still has code > > from the 70's on it. > > When you say "unix like" what you really mean is POSIX. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POSIX > > ..Chuck.. > > > > -- > http://www.quantumlinux.com > Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. > ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology > > "An idea does not gain truth as it gains followers." > -Amanda Bloom > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20080930/f403d7a7/attachment.htm From Jack at jakykong.homelinux.com Tue Sep 30 22:29:16 2008 From: Jack at jakykong.homelinux.com (Jack) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:23:27 2008 Subject: [Gslug-general] connecting to internet with PPPoE References: <23010.78649.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200809302229.16677.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Tuesday 30 September 2008 05:30:20 pm Donald G wrote: > I have Suse SLED v 10.? I have a PPPoE connection that requires user name > and password.? How do I connect to internet? > > I found the following help file, however, It is written for linux > engineers. Can someone translate? > > http://lifestory-eng.blogspot.com/2008/07/how-to-connect-to-internet-by-ppp >oe-kde.html If you are using debian/ubuntu (maybe others, but I know in debian and ubuntu), you can use the pppoeconf package. I use it to connect to Qwest DSL. Just install the package and run "pppoeconf", and it'll set it all up for you. (note: pppoeconf must be run from the command line) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com