From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Wed Dec 2 13:45:58 2009 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Wed Dec 2 13:49:55 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service Message-ID: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> I'm looking for a reliable paging service that covers the Northwest and California for receiving monitor alerts. Does anyone have any suggestions for reliable, reasonable companies with alphanumeric pagers? -- Benjamin From paul.bartell at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:20:34 2009 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:25:50 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which intercept pager messages and post them online. In this day and age, if people do not have cellphones, they should probably reconsider whether or not they should be in the tech industry. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > > I'm looking for a reliable paging service that covers the Northwest and > California for receiving monitor alerts. Does anyone have any suggestions > for reliable, reasonable companies with alphanumeric pagers? > > -- > Benjamin > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal From wakko666 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:42:27 2009 From: wakko666 at gmail.com (brett lentz) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:48:26 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: My current employer has gone from Skytel pagers to using iPhones with an AT&T business service contract. We use QPage ( http://www.qpage.org/ ) on our monitoring servers, which are hooked up to an external modem so that they can still alert us even if the network goes down. We're using Zabbix ( http://www.zabbix.com ) for the actual monitoring. I agree with Paul, these days pagers are archaic devices with, at best, marginal benefits over sending SMS messages to a cell phone. Information leakage and security are secondary issues that few seem to consider or care about. Most alerting systems don't send much beyond "service up/down" style mesages anyway, so I'm not sure there is any reason for concern. Most paging systems fail in one of two ways: Service coverage areas, or delivery guarantees. With Skytel, the pagers were constantly in and out of coverage, even in our office building. In the past, a previous employer tried to be cheap and use a regular cell phone plan, rather than a business plan, and our SMS pages would frequently show up 5-30 minutes after the message was sent. There were even a couple of times our pages had multi-hour delays. ---Brett. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? > (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) > > Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to > people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent > clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which > intercept pager messages and post them online. > > In this day and age, if people do not have cellphones, they should > probably reconsider whether or not they should be in the tech > industry. > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Benjamin Krueger > wrote: >> >> I'm looking for a reliable paging service that covers the Northwest and >> California for receiving monitor alerts. Does anyone have any suggestions >> for reliable, reasonable companies with alphanumeric pagers? >> >> -- >> Benjamin >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis custodiet > ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From jeremiahjester at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:46:42 2009 From: jeremiahjester at gmail.com (Jeremiah Jester) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:51:18 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2d4ba7ab0912021446x678068a8w40abc4161af0aab4@mail.gmail.com> *In this day and age, if people do not have cellphones, they should probably reconsider whether or not they should be in the tech industry. *I think the point was cheap and text based. Most phones carry contracts and *i believe* require a voice plan before you can add other features. I can forsee myself, wanting mobile texting device that is secure but would not require other services or charges. You may want to look into the peek ( http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11498018). I've not used it but it may suffice for what you are looking for. Plans start at $19 mo. JJ On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? > (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) > > Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to > people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent > clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which > intercept pager messages and post them online. > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Benjamin Krueger > wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a reliable paging service that covers the Northwest and > > California for receiving monitor alerts. Does anyone have any suggestions > > for reliable, reasonable companies with alphanumeric pagers? > > > > -- > > Benjamin > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > > > -- > Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis > custodiet > ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- "Never accept what you hear at face value -- ask questions, do your homework and make sure your interests are protected" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091202/7611eb98/attachment.html From andrew at becherer.org Wed Dec 2 14:55:20 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Wed Dec 2 14:58:06 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? > (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) Email-to-sms gateways are notoriously unreliable. I've seen delays of several hours when sending messages to AT&T subscribers. > Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to > people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent > clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which > intercept pager messages and post them online. The insecurity of the pager network must be considered when determining what data is appropriate in pages. (The 9/11 wikileaks pager data is fascinating, http://911.wikileaks.org/) This does not necessarily eliminate the paging networks from consideration for alert notification systems. Your email-to-sms gateway doesn't transmit those messages in the clear over the Internet, does it? -- Andrew Becherer From andrew at becherer.org Wed Dec 2 14:56:13 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:01:20 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? > (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) Email-to-sms gateways are notoriously unreliable. I've seen delays of several hours when sending messages to AT&T subscribers. > Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to > people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent > clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which > intercept pager messages and post them online. The insecurity of the pager network must be considered when determining what data is appropriate in pages. (The 9/11 wikileaks pager data is fascinating, http://911.wikileaks.org/) This does not necessarily eliminate the paging networks from consideration for alert notification systems. Your email-to-sms gateway doesn't transmit those messages in the clear over the Internet, does it? -- Andrew Becherer From frcaen at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:00:55 2009 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:03:54 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840912021500q1b5c96fbh8001a25dd70b9c81@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, brett lentz wrote: > My current employer has gone from Skytel pagers to using iPhones with > an AT&T business service contract. ?We use QPage ( > http://www.qpage.org/ ) on our monitoring servers, which are hooked up > to an external modem so that they can still alert us even if the > network goes down. ?We're using Zabbix ( http://www.zabbix.com ) for > the actual monitoring. Similarly, I use nagios and sendpage with an external modem that calls Sprint's TAP to SMS gateway. -- Francois Caen From frcaen at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:13:17 2009 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:10:39 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <58cfe2840912021513y3b3a0a1ake7bbd526230d4d68@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Becherer wrote: > Email-to-sms gateways are notoriously unreliable. I've seen delays of > several hours when sending messages to AT&T subscribers. I've heard that from various folks. The main problem I had with email-to-SMS gateway was the spam-prevention throttling on the carrier side. It got in the way of nagios notification blasts. I've never had problems with my TAP gateway, it's old tech that seems to work well. >. Your email-to-sms gateway doesn't transmit those > messages in the clear over the Internet, does it? That's the beauty of TAP. It's totally OOB and point to point over POTS. -- Francois Caen From lee.colleton at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 15:19:25 2009 From: lee.colleton at gmail.com (Lee Colleton) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:16:46 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2d4ba7ab0912021446x678068a8w40abc4161af0aab4@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <2d4ba7ab0912021446x678068a8w40abc4161af0aab4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <59c88c4d0912021519g6cec0559jab32599e8ee1bbc6@mail.gmail.com> Actually, you can get $10/mo email today only. http://www.getpeek.com/purchase.htm (Not a recommendation, I've never so much as held a Peek) --Lee On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 14:46, Jeremiah Jester wrote: > *In this day and age, if people do not have cellphones, they should > probably reconsider whether or not they should be in the tech > industry. > > * > I think the point was cheap and text based. Most phones carry contracts and > *i believe* require a voice plan before you can add other features. I can > forsee myself, wanting mobile texting device that is secure but would not > require other services or charges. > > You may want to look into the peek ( > http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11498018). I've not used > it but it may suffice for what you are looking for. Plans start at $19 mo. > > JJ > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > >> get a cheap cellphone with text messaging and an email-to-SMS gateway? >> (t-mobile, sprint, att, really whoever) >> >> Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to >> people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent >> clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which >> intercept pager messages and post them online. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Benjamin Krueger >> wrote: >> > >> > I'm looking for a reliable paging service that covers the Northwest and >> > California for receiving monitor alerts. Does anyone have any >> suggestions >> > for reliable, reasonable companies with alphanumeric pagers? >> > >> > -- >> > Benjamin >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Gslug-general mailing list >> > Gslug-general@gslug.org >> > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis >> custodiet >> ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > > -- > "Never accept what you hear at face value -- ask questions, do your > homework and make sure your interests are protected" > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091202/43f7a5e6/attachment.htm From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Dec 2 15:59:23 2009 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Dec 2 15:57:04 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750912021559l6b3e9aesc13149614a57003c@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Paul Bartell wrote: > Really though, pagers are an extremely insecure way of sending data to > people in the field, especially considering all pages are sent > clear-text and can be intercepted. There are even web services which > intercept pager messages and post them online. As others have mentioned this isn't a concern unique to pagers. Cellphones and email infrastructure isn't inherently more secure, perhaps the public is less aware of their insecurities. > In this day and age, if people do not have cellphones, they should > probably reconsider whether or not they should be in the tech > industry. Just having a cellphone does not make it valid conduit for communicating emergencies. I have found pagers to be more reliable than SMS gateways in the past as well. This also becomes a signal to noise ratio issue. Do I want notifications that my data center caught on fire coming via the same medium as chatter from friends and foursquare checkins at bars? What about at 3am when I'm asleep? My cellphone receives all of my personal and work email traffic as well. While some software and phones may allow you to create different alerts for different types of messages, I've found what is available substantially lacking. So you end up with a second phone. Because that's cheap and simple.But the above arguments aside, an alphanumeric pager is much smaller, and can run for months on a single AA battery so you don't have to worry about charging it every couple of nights. So if you're already getting a second device, I think a pager wins in form factor. This all depends on your team though. If you have people in the office 24/7, like a support team, then this becomes simpler, because they can call people to come to your house and beat you with a stick. If you're a small team, you need notification to be that person. Sometimes something like Pager Duty can help. We use Skytel. Bryan From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Wed Dec 2 16:44:21 2009 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Wed Dec 2 16:41:45 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:42 PM, brett lentz wrote: > My current employer has gone from Skytel pagers to using iPhones with > an AT&T business service contract. We use QPage ( > http://www.qpage.org/ ) on our monitoring servers, which are hooked up > to an external modem so that they can still alert us even if the > network goes down. We're using Zabbix ( http://www.zabbix.com ) for > the actual monitoring. How long ago did you switch over to iPhones on AT&T? I have an office full of iPhone geeks who complain about both the cost and unreliability of AT&T's SMS service. Given that experience, AT&T is the *last* carrier I would consider for monitoring. > I agree with Paul, these days pagers are archaic devices with, at > best, marginal benefits over sending SMS messages to a cell phone. > > Information leakage and security are secondary issues that few seem to > consider or care about. Most alerting systems don't send much beyond > "service up/down" style mesages anyway, so I'm not sure there is any > reason for concern. Unless you are the Government, or have a Government sized budget, you aren't going to be buying a secure wireless system. Don't send confidential information over pagers or wireless telco networks. > Most paging systems fail in one of two ways: Service coverage areas, > or delivery guarantees. With Skytel, the pagers were constantly in and > out of coverage, even in our office building. In the past, a previous > employer tried to be cheap and use a regular cell phone plan, rather > than a business plan, and our SMS pages would frequently show up 5-30 > minutes after the message was sent. There were even a couple of times > our pages had multi-hour delays. > > ---Brett. Did your Skytel devices not receive pages they should have? Where were you having coverage issues? Are you sure that the temptation of fancy new iPhones wasn't a factor in dumping Skytel's plain-jane non-game- playing non-web-surfing non-music-playing pagers? ;) First and foremost I am looking for high reliability. After that, my priorities are cost and device size. I don't want to carry another full size phone that I have to charge daily. Archaic or not, pagers are small, light, simple, and cheap. No phone carriers have a good record of SMS reliability or expediency, and phones capable of a reasonable SMS/Email experience tend to be bricks. Peek looks interesting, and the device size is good, though they're piggy-backing on T-Mobile's network. That doesn't inspire much confidence. --- Benjamin From jason.self at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 16:50:49 2009 From: jason.self at gmail.com (Jason Self) Date: Wed Dec 2 16:48:17 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <78EF6332-1BB8-4C08-927F-3ECE611AA8EF@gmail.com> On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > How long ago did you switch over to iPhones on AT&T? I have an > office full of iPhone geeks who complain about both the cost and > unreliability of AT&T's SMS service. I bought an iPhone the very first day they came out (waited in line 12 hours) and have nothing but good things to say about SMS and the service in general. The cost is a bit higher than what I'd like but when I did some price shopping several months ago I did not find a signficant savings elsewhere for my needs. From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Wed Dec 2 16:52:46 2009 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Wed Dec 2 16:50:08 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <78EF6332-1BB8-4C08-927F-3ECE611AA8EF@gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <78EF6332-1BB8-4C08-927F-3ECE611AA8EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Jason Self wrote: > On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Benjamin Krueger > wrote: > >> How long ago did you switch over to iPhones on AT&T? I have an >> office full of iPhone geeks who complain about both the cost and >> unreliability of AT&T's SMS service. > > I bought an iPhone the very first day they came out (waited in line > 12 hours) and have nothing but good things to say about SMS and the > service in general. The cost is a bit higher than what I'd like but > when I did some price shopping several months ago I did not find a > signficant savings elsewhere for my needs. First happy AT&T SMSer I've met so far. :) From wakko666 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 18:05:35 2009 From: wakko666 at gmail.com (brett lentz) Date: Wed Dec 2 18:03:19 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:42 PM, brett lentz wrote: > >> My current employer has gone from Skytel pagers to using iPhones with >> an AT&T business service contract. ?We use QPage ( >> http://www.qpage.org/ ) on our monitoring servers, which are hooked up >> to an external modem so that they can still alert us even if the >> network goes down. ?We're using Zabbix ( http://www.zabbix.com ) for >> the actual monitoring. > > How long ago did you switch over to iPhones on AT&T? I have an office full > of iPhone geeks who complain about both the cost and unreliability of AT&T's > SMS service. Given that experience, AT&T is the *last* carrier I would > consider for monitoring. > We switched over about 6 months ago. Haven't had any issues with undelivered messages. It's important to note the "business contract" portion. They have SLAs, delivery guarantees, and other important things that they don't provide for the general cell market. >> Most paging systems fail in one of two ways: ?Service coverage areas, >> or delivery guarantees. With Skytel, the pagers were constantly in and >> out of coverage, even in our office building. In the past, a previous >> employer tried to be cheap and use a regular cell phone plan, rather >> than a business plan, and our SMS pages would frequently show up 5-30 >> minutes after the message was sent. There were even a couple of times >> our pages had multi-hour delays. >> >> ---Brett. > > > Did your Skytel devices not receive pages they should have? Where were you > having coverage issues? Are you sure that the temptation of fancy new > iPhones wasn't a factor in dumping Skytel's plain-jane non-game-playing > non-web-surfing non-music-playing pagers? ;) > The main factor was the lost signal and coverage issues. We could walk the pager from one end of the office to the other, and lose signal. A few of my team had this issue in their homes, as well. Choosing the iPhone as opposed to a basic cell phone came down to a few factors, such as having ssh and vpn clients, so that we can do basic work on the phone itself, if we need to. Beyond that, yes, most of my team has personal iPhones, so they were already very familiar with it. Personally, I'd have chosen an android phone, but it wasn't my call to make. ;-) > First and foremost I am looking for high reliability. After that, my > priorities are cost and device size. I don't want to carry another full size > phone that I have to charge daily. Archaic or not, pagers are small, light, > simple, and cheap. No phone carriers have a good record of SMS reliability > or expediency, and phones capable of a reasonable SMS/Email experience tend > to be bricks. > > Peek looks interesting, and the device size is good, though they're > piggy-backing on T-Mobile's network. That doesn't inspire much confidence. > > --- > Benjamin > Unfortunately, when it comes to paging, SMS, and e-mail, none of the technologies have guarantees on the timeliness of message delivery until you start building it into the service contracts. So, device cost ends up being inconsequential. The cost of the buisiness-grade service easily dwarfs the costs of the devices. Also, cheap devices tend to be easily broken devices. ;-) ---Brett. From jason.self at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 18:19:30 2009 From: jason.self at gmail.com (Jason Self) Date: Wed Dec 2 18:17:02 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:05 PM, brett lentz wrote: > It's important to note the "business contract" portion. They have > SLAs, delivery guarantees, and other important things that they don't > provide for the general cell market. But it's not like AT&T is operating twin networks or anything, but just one... so I might not have an SLA written into my contract but I get to benefit from the effort that AT&T puts forth to deliver on those agreements they have with their other customers around the country. So the only difference is that business accounts get more "weight" with an SLA, etc. even if the service provided is the same as what would have had with a normal consumer plan (but I won't get any credit for a missed SLA target.) From wakko666 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 19:09:24 2009 From: wakko666 at gmail.com (brett lentz) Date: Wed Dec 2 19:07:05 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Jason Self wrote: > On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:05 PM, brett lentz wrote: > >> It's important to note the "business contract" portion. They have >> SLAs, delivery guarantees, and other important things that they don't >> provide for the general cell market. > > But it's not like AT&T is operating twin networks or anything, but just > one... so I might not have an SLA written into my contract but I get to > benefit from the effort that AT&T puts forth to deliver on those agreements > they have with their other customers around the country. > > So the only difference is that business accounts get more "weight" with an > SLA, etc. even if the service provided is the same as what would have had > with a normal consumer plan (but I won't get any credit for a missed SLA > target.) > They don't need multiple networks if they can use QoS or similar technologies to prioritize traffic. ---Brett. From jason.self at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 19:48:57 2009 From: jason.self at gmail.com (Jason Self) Date: Wed Dec 2 19:46:36 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:09 PM, brett lentz wrote: > They don't need multiple networks if they can use QoS or similar > technologies to prioritize traffic. The cell network does have the ability to do this (read up on access overload class) but it's reserved for emergency service providers. Were it found to be true that any cell phone company routed and prioritized service based on the size of the bill or type of account or some other financial metric, it would be a PR nightmare. This is a crazy thread. I'm out. From btm at loftninjas.org Wed Dec 2 19:51:35 2009 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Wed Dec 2 19:49:16 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750912021951h58c454dbk41833c9615549ce7@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jason Self wrote: > The cell network does have the ability to do this (read up on access > overload class) but it's reserved for emergency service providers. Were it > found to be true that any cell phone company routed and prioritized service > based on the size of the bill or type of account or some other financial > metric, it would be a PR nightmare. This is a crazy thread. I'm > out. Shhhh! Sounds a lot like net neutrality. From jnicol at bluegecko.net Wed Dec 2 20:14:28 2009 From: jnicol at bluegecko.net (Jonathan Nicol) Date: Wed Dec 2 20:11:52 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <893823750912021951h58c454dbk41833c9615549ce7@mail.gmail.com> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> <893823750912021951h58c454dbk41833c9615549ce7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F630098-3C0F-40AC-9A6A-0D62F23BC165@bluegecko.net> I am so not a lawyer, or even particularly knowledgeable about the subject, but I believe SMS falls under the FCC's "common carrier" rules, in which case it's definitely related to net neutrality :) It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage. Jonathan PS, FWIW, I've had excellent luck with AT&T's email->SMS delivery. They've had a few bad days over the years, but not many. On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jason Self > wrote: >> The cell network does have the ability to do this (read up on access >> overload class) but it's reserved for emergency service providers. >> Were it >> found to be true that any cell phone company routed and prioritized >> service >> based on the size of the bill or type of account or some other >> financial >> metric, it would be a PR nightmare. This is a crazy thread. I'm >> out. > > Shhhh! > > Sounds a lot like net neutrality. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From wakko666 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 20:39:45 2009 From: wakko666 at gmail.com (brett lentz) Date: Wed Dec 2 20:37:34 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <2F630098-3C0F-40AC-9A6A-0D62F23BC165@bluegecko.net> References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> <893823750912021951h58c454dbk41833c9615549ce7@mail.gmail.com> <2F630098-3C0F-40AC-9A6A-0D62F23BC165@bluegecko.net> Message-ID: I'm in the same "not a lawyer, and have limited knowledge on the subject" boat. Google only seems to know about a recent debate asking the FCC to allow SMS "short codes" to fall under common carrier rules: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/12/fcc-told-that-sms-short-codes-should-be-open-to-all.ars However, most of the articles on the subject seem to imply that SMS in general doesn't fall under common carrier restrictions. ---Brett. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Jonathan Nicol wrote: > I am so not a lawyer, or even particularly knowledgeable about the subject, > but I believe SMS falls under the FCC's "common carrier" rules, in which > case it's definitely related to net neutrality :) > > > It shall be unlawful for any common carrier to make any unjust or > unreasonable discrimination in charges, practices, classifications, > regulations, facilities, or services for or in connection with like > communication service, directly or indirectly, by any means or device, or to > make or give any undue or unreasonable preference or advantage to any > particular person, class of persons, or locality, or to subject any > particular person, class of persons, or locality to any undue or > unreasonable prejudice or disadvantage. > > > Jonathan > > PS, FWIW, I've had excellent luck with AT&T's email->SMS delivery. They've > had a few bad days over the years, but not many. > > > On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Bryan McLellan wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Jason Self wrote: >>> >>> The cell network does have the ability to do this (read up on access >>> overload class) but it's reserved for emergency service providers. Were >>> it >>> found to be true that any cell phone company routed and prioritized >>> service >>> based on the size of the bill or type of account or some other financial >>> metric, it would be a PR nightmare. This is a crazy thread. I'm >>> out. >> >> Shhhh! >> >> Sounds a lot like net neutrality. >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From jason.self at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 23:00:09 2009 From: jason.self at gmail.com (Jason Self) Date: Wed Dec 2 22:57:33 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <329FB4DE-05FB-4071-A9B9-4397C4109AB4@gmail.com> <893823750912021951h58c454dbk41833c9615549ce7@mail.gmail.com> <2F630098-3C0F-40AC-9A6A-0D62F23BC165@bluegecko.net> Message-ID: <6F3ED18E-1F8F-4C3D-97ED-C5712960E3A8@gmail.com> I knew I said I'd stay out, but I had to say something... After some time spent with Google and fcc.gov, it seems to depend on how you read it. Cellphone service is already covered under existing common carrier laws and since text messaging is a feature of cellphone service, I feel that it already is covered. It seems that an issue came up where a cell phone company censored a text message, and in their defense the company made all kinds of excuses, including a creative (IMO) one that text messages are not subject to these common carrier laws, but I digress? the fact that they come up with multiple defenses is to be expected, IMO, because companies seem to like less regulation, not more. Anyway, it seems that there's definitely a desire for the FCC to clarify whether text messages fall under this law or not. Based on my reading they already are but read the law and come to your own conclusion. Carriers are, of course, arguing that text messages are not subject to it because that's what's good for them (less regulation), and not because that's what's good for their customers. The bottom line, I think, is that most people would agree they'd rather not have their cell phone carrier discriminating against them or be given lesser service than someone else because of some arbitrary reason like which plan or phone you picked, what color your eyes are, etc. (if you're in favor of net neutrality, it seems to follow that you'd be in favor of SMS being covered under existing common carrier laws.) I don't believe that any carrier is actively engaged in any process to deliberately provide degraded service to their customers -- SMS or otherwise -- because it's too easy to confirm if it's really happening or not, and because it would be a big PR problem if it were leaked, and could potentially be illegal, but I digress? If you or anyone truly feel that any cell phone company is not keeping up with their legal obligation to provide service without regard to which plan you have, what kind of phone you have, what kind of person you are, what color eyes you have, etc. then file a complaint with the FCC. Perhaps it might speed up the decision-making process on the existing case. http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm 'nuff said. Good night. :) From mark at foster.cc Sat Dec 12 09:24:13 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Dec 12 19:22:09 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Reminder: GSLUG meeting Today! Message-ID: <4B23D1BD.4090903@foster.cc> The next Greater Seattle LINUX User Group (GSLUG) meeting is today @ 12 noon. The meeting location is the Google offices in Fremont. Follow the URL below for more details. This months topic is Encryption. There are quite a few people signed up for talks so this is sure to be a good one! Hope to see you there! 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From lists-gslug-general at mohsen.banan.1.byname.net Wed Dec 16 22:25:57 2009 From: lists-gslug-general at mohsen.banan.1.byname.net (Mohsen-lists-gslug-general BANAN) Date: Wed Dec 16 22:29:52 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Local pager service In-Reply-To: <58cfe2840912021513y3b3a0a1ake7bbd526230d4d68@mail.gmail.com> (Francois Caen's message of "Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:13:17 -0800") References: <4822FAB7-CF71-40B7-9726-0597FA470072@seattlefenix.net> <2b5bab0f0912021420w1c645fffx9f3c6ac1d5fa6cd1@mail.gmail.com> <58cfe2840912021513y3b3a0a1ake7bbd526230d4d68@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091217062557.30482.qmail@74-89-129-33-seattle-wa.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> >>>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:13:17 -0800, Francois Caen said: Francois> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Andrew Becherer wrote: >> Email-to-sms gateways are notoriously unreliable. I've seen delays of >> several hours when sending messages to AT&T subscribers. Francois> I've heard that from various folks. The main problem I had with Francois> email-to-SMS gateway was the spam-prevention throttling on the carrier Francois> side. It got in the way of nagios notification blasts. Francois> I've never had problems with my TAP gateway, it's old tech that seems Francois> to work well. >> . Your email-to-sms gateway doesn't transmit those >> messages in the clear over the Internet, does it? Francois> That's the beauty of TAP. It's totally OOB and point to point over POTS. There is an easy and simple way to bypass email-to-SMS gateway spam-prevention and throttling on the carrier side and also any/all TAP gateway controls. You text directly mobile-to-mobile. I use gnokii and bluetooth with a dedicated dumb cellphone for that. And encrypt end-to-end if you wish. Below are my related notes. Hope this helps. -- Mohsen BANAN http://mohsen.banan.1.byname.net/ Only Use Libre Services! http://www.LibreServices.org Reject Restriction of Poly-Existentials! http://www.neda.com/nonProprietary #!/bin/osmtKsh #!/bin/bash typeset RcsId="$Id: lcaBluetoothManage.sh,v 1.5 2009/12/16 19:30:31 lsipusr Exp $" if [ "${loadFiles}X" == "X" ] ; then `dirname $0`/seedActions.sh -l $0 "$@" exit $? fi function vis_facilityAbout { cat << _EOF_ Author: Mohsen Banan http://mohsen.banan.1.byname.net -- http://www.neda.com Copyright (c) 2009 Neda Communications, Inc -- (Copyleft GPL Compliant) Copyright License: http://www.freeprotocols.org/license/FreeSoftwareForLibreServices... Part of Libre Service Integration Platform (LSIP) http://www.neda.com/PLPC/110501 http://www.bysource.org/ ... public version control: cvs ... Project Info: ByStar-LUE ByStar Users Guide http://www.neda.com/PLPC/110020... Liability and Warranty: None. As Is. See Public License for details. _EOF_ } function vis_help { cat << _EOF_ ByStar Libre User Environment (ByStar-LUE) example usages of Bluetooth are: - Keyboard/Mouse for Remote Monitor (TV-Style Watching, Presentation) BlueMaemo - hidd - bluetooth - Nokia n810/n900 as remote control for music player (asus) in the car sonata - mpd - pppd - bluetooth - Nokia n810/n900 as controller for dumb bluetooth phone Dialing: emacs - bbdb - gnokii - bluetooth SMS Send: emacs - gnus -bbdb - devResMta - gnokii - bluetooth SMS Receive: emacs - gnus - gnokii - bluetooth Address Book Sync: emacs - bbdb - gnokii - bluetooth _EOF_ } examplePhoneNumber="4255555555" exampleMacAddr="00:1D:6E:D4:xx:xx" function vis_examples { #${visLibExamples} cat << _EOF_ EXAMPLES: --- BinsPrep --- apt-get install gnokii apt-get install gnokii-cli apt-get install bluez-compat apt-get install gnome-phone-manager --- Hardware and Glitches --- IOgear Bluetooth 2.1 USB Micro Adapter GBU421 works but needs hciconfig hci0 reset TRENDnet TBW-106UB Micro Bluetooth USB Adapter works fine in ubutub 8.04+ but usb fails on Debian 5.0- --- Start/Stop --- /etc/init.d/bluetooth start /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart --- Configure --- hciconfig hciconfig hci0 reset # iogear needs this to work /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf hcitool dev hcitool scan hcitool inq l2ping ${exampleMacAddr} rfcomm connect 0 gnokii --identify gnokii --monitor gnokii --dialvoice ${examplePhoneNumber} gnokii --getsmsc 1 2 --raw echo "Hello World" | gnokii --sendsms +1${examplePhoneNumber} --- Gnokii CONFIG --- ${G_myName} ${extraInfo} -i gnokiiConfigStdout ${G_myName} ${extraInfo} -i gnokiiConfigUpdate ${G_myName} ${extraInfo} -i gnokiiConfigVerify ${G_myName} ${extraInfo} -i gnokiiConfigShow ${G_myName} ${extraInfo} -i gnokiiConfigDelete --- BlueMaemo --- hidd --connect ${exampleMacAddr} _EOF_ } noArgsHook() { vis_examples } function vis_gnokiiConfigStdout { cat << _EOF_ # This is the ~/.gnokiirc file. Auto gened by ${G_myName} on ${dateTag} [global] port = ${exampleMacAddr} model = 6510 initlength = default connection = bluetooth use_locking = yes serial_baudrate = 19200 smsc_timeout = 10 [xgnokii] allow_breakage = 0 [gnokiid] bindir = /usr/sbin/ [connect_script] TELEPHONE = ${examplePhoneNumber} [disconnect_script] [logging] debug = off rlpdebug = off xdebug = off _EOF_ } function gnokiiConfigFileName { EH_assert [[ $# -eq 0 ]] thisConfigFile=$( FN_absolutePathGet ~/.gnokiirc ) echo "${thisConfigFile}" } function vis_gnokiiConfigUpdate { EH_assert [[ $# -eq 0 ]] thisConfigFile=$( gnokiiConfigFileName ) FN_fileSafeKeep ${thisConfigFile} vis_gnokiiConfigStdout > ${thisConfigFile} opDo ls -l ${thisConfigFile} } function vis_gnokiiConfigVerify { EH_assert [[ $# -eq 0 ]] thisConfigFile=$( gnokiiConfigFileName ) typeset tmpFile=$( FN_tempFile ) vis_gnokiiConfigStdout > ${tmpFile} FN_fileCmpAndDiff ${thisConfigFile} ${tmpFile} FN_fileRmIfThere ${tmpFile} } function vis_gnokiiConfigShow { EH_assert [[ $# -eq 0 ]] thisConfigFile=$( gnokiiConfigFileName ) opDo ls -l ${thisConfigFile} } function vis_gnokiiConfigDelete { EH_assert [[ $# -eq 0 ]] thisConfigFile=$( gnokiiConfigFileName ) } From zaltar at myway.com Mon Dec 21 06:47:48 2009 From: zaltar at myway.com (Paul DeShaw) Date: Mon Dec 21 06:51:00 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? Message-ID: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> Hello, For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my Qwest DSL. Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per second, generally average between 30-70 Kb/s. Right now I have a download of Ubuntu going since last night, it's 37% complete. It stops after a minute or two, and I have to pause and resume to get any more. It was going fast enough (141kbs/s) to do the whole file in an hour and change, but it keeps stopping--this is with Ubuntu Hardy, through Ethernet. Qwest has twice told me this is a problem with my computers, but last week I did a fresh install on my desktop, and Ubuntu Koala behaves the same as Hardy and OSX do on my laptop. On my third call to Qwest, they did say there might be "network congestion" and to call today to see if they could send someone out to "change the circuit". So they've changed there story for now, but I'm wondering if there is anything I could do on my end? I've used 3 different Ethernet cables--no difference. Any ideas about software configuration? --Paul ------------------------------------------------------------ Senior Assisted Living Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://216.21.215.31/c?cp=mDWVsf2tZxpP4hQL7JPwcgAAKZXjApB24nPKaVxWtpQGskKSAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASUQAAAAA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091221/d38b4411/attachment.html From ashex at chipnick.com Mon Dec 21 07:33:16 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Mon Dec 21 07:37:06 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? In-Reply-To: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: When browsing the web, do you see a lag between requesting a page and receiving it? If this is happening, that's a really big indicator of network congestion. I recommend disconnecting all devices then connecting a computer directly to the modem and doing a network test, both a speed test (such as on speakeasy.net) and a sustained one (Download a big file and watch the speed). If there is a significant improvement, either a network device or a computer is causing the problems on your computer. If there isn't one, then its Qwests hardware. -Ahmed Osman On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Paul DeShaw wrote: > Hello, > > For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my Qwest DSL. > Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per second, generally average > between 30-70 Kb/s. Right now I have a download of Ubuntu going since last > night, it's 37% complete. It stops after a minute or two, and I have to > pause and resume to get any more. It was going fast enough (141kbs/s) to do > the whole file in an hour and change, but it keeps stopping--this is with > Ubuntu Hardy, through Ethernet. > > Qwest has twice told me this is a problem with my computers, but last week > I did a fresh install on my desktop, and Ubuntu Koala behaves the same as > Hardy and OSX do on my laptop. On my third call to Qwest, they did say there > might be "network congestion" and to call today to see if they could send > someone out to "change the circuit". So they've changed there story for now, > but I'm wondering if there is anything I could do on my end? I've used 3 > different Ethernet cables--no difference. Any ideas about software > configuration? > > --Paul > ------------------------------ > Senior Assisted Living Put > your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click > now! Click > Here For More Information > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091221/34c10805/attachment.htm From jason.self at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 07:49:07 2009 From: jason.self at gmail.com (Jason Self) Date: Mon Dec 21 07:53:15 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? In-Reply-To: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Paul DeShaw wrote: > > Hello, > > For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my Qwest DSL. Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per second, generally average between 30-70 Kb/s. Right now I have a download of Ubuntu going since last night, it's 37% complete. It stops after a minute or two, and I have to pause and resume to get any more. It was going fast enough (141kbs/s) to do the whole file in an hour and change, but it keeps stopping--this is with Ubuntu Hardy, through Ethernet. > > Qwest has twice told me this is a problem with my computers, but last week I did a fresh install on my desktop, and Ubuntu Koala behaves the same as Hardy and OSX do on my laptop. On my third call to Qwest, they did say there might be "network congestion" and to call today to see if they could send someone out to "change the circuit". So they've changed there story for now, but I'm wondering if there is anything I could do on my end? I've used 3 different Ethernet cables--no difference. Any ideas about software configuration? I have also been experiencing the same thing where my normally fast speeds (I live 4 blocks from the central office) have gone to practically nill. Perhaps there's a pattern? I'm located on First Hill. Where are you? Who is your ISP? I use Avvanta as my ISP, with Qwest providing the local loop. -- Be 1 of 1000 new associate members to the Free Software Foundation by January 31st. https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf?referrer=8244 From mseidl at real.com Mon Dec 21 08:32:39 2009 From: mseidl at real.com (Martin Seidl) Date: Mon Dec 21 08:31:25 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? In-Reply-To: References: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <4B2FA327.7010301@real.com> On 12/21/2009 07:49 AM, Jason Self wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Paul DeShaw wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my Qwest DSL. Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per second, generally average between 30-70 Kb/s. Right now I have a download of Ubuntu going since last night, it's 37% complete. It stops after a minute or two, and I have to pause and resume to get any more. It was going fast enough (141kbs/s) to do the whole file in an hour and change, but it keeps stopping--this is with Ubuntu Hardy, through Ethernet. >> >> Qwest has twice told me this is a problem with my computers, but last week I did a fresh install on my desktop, and Ubuntu Koala behaves the same as Hardy and OSX do on my laptop. On my third call to Qwest, they did say there might be "network congestion" and to call today to see if they could send someone out to "change the circuit". So they've changed there story for now, but I'm wondering if there is anything I could do on my end? I've used 3 different Ethernet cables--no difference. Any ideas about software configuration? >> > I have also been experiencing the same thing where my normally fast > speeds (I live 4 blocks from the central office) have gone to > practically nill. > > Perhaps there's a pattern? I'm located on First Hill. Where are you? > Who is your ISP? I use Avvanta as my ISP, with Qwest providing the > local loop. > > -- > Be 1 of 1000 new associate members to the Free Software Foundation by > January 31st. > https://my.fsf.org/associate/support_freedom/join_fsf?referrer=8244 > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > Let me say, that with qwest dsl, has been the shittiest internet I've had ever. At first they sold me 7mb, but using speedtest it would only test at around 200k down. It was SLOW. Even after their fiddling the most they got it to was 3mb, but it was unbearably slow. They made me miss comcast. Now that is bad. Unfortunately qwest had a deal with the building and no other option was available. From paul at eucleides.com Mon Dec 21 07:56:12 2009 From: paul at eucleides.com (Paul Franz) Date: Mon Dec 21 08:53:10 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? In-Reply-To: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20091221094748.4693@web007.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <2042.192.168.0.66.1261410972.squirrel@blackdog.bellevue.wa.us> On Mon, December 21, 2009 6:47 am, Paul DeShaw wrote: clip clip > Qwest has twice told me this is a problem with my computers, but last week I did a > fresh install on my desktop, and Ubuntu Koala behaves the same as Hardy and OSX do > on my laptop. On my third call to Qwest, they did say there might be "network > congestion" and to call today to see if they could send someone out to "change the > circuit". So they've changed there story for now, but I'm wondering if there is > anything I could do on my end? I've used 3 different Ethernet cables--no > difference. Any ideas about software configuration? You can get some useful information by logging into your router (Qwest calls that a modem) and look at the Broadband Link Statistics. This will reveal problems on their end. If that looks good then the signal from Quest to your router is OK and the problem sounds to me like wiring on your end. If your router has WiFi, use that to compare to your wired performance. Isolation of the problem is the first step towards problem resolution. -- Paul Franz 425.440.9505 (O) 425.241.1618 (C) One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say. -- Will Durant From zaltar at myway.com Tue Dec 22 21:27:08 2009 From: zaltar at myway.com (Paul DeShaw) Date: Tue Dec 22 21:24:24 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? Message-ID: <20091223002708.20224@web011.roc2.bluetie.com> -----Original Message----- From: "Ahmed Osman" [ashex@chipnick.com] Date: 12/22/2009 04:03 PM To: "Paul DeShaw" CC: gslug-general@gslug.org Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? <> It varies--sometimes pages load fairly fast, other times I get up and make a cup of tea, come back, and it's still loading--or it times out. <> The only thing connected to the modem other than the computer is the phone. I tried the speed test with the phone plugged in, and got 1067/700 down/up. I started downloading (for the umpteenth time) Edubuntu, and it was 30-odd kb/s. Slow even for dialup. I then paused the download, unplugged the phone, rebooted the modem, and tried the speed test again. I got 985/655, and the download was again in the 30's. I was seeing over 100 kb/s earlier; I managed to get 2 gigs of Edubuntu by leaving it going all day, but it stopped, and wouldn't resume properly when I tried the pause/resume trick to restart it. I ended up starting over. Does any of this tell you anything? --Paul On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Paul DeShaw wrote: Hello, For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my Qwest DSL. Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per second... ------------------------------------------------------------ Weight Loss Program Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://216.21.215.31/c?cp=kbPqneCNVlcSjziXDoqZ3AAAKZVGMn3f5E0ean5iRl1R_bzSAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUq5HKqA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps Qwest is just going through a rough spell? --- On Tue, 12/22/09, Paul DeShaw wrote: > From: Paul DeShaw > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? > To: ashex@chipnick.com > Cc: gslug-general@gslug.org > Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Ahmed Osman" [ashex@chipnick.com] > > Date: 12/22/2009 04:03 PM > > To: "Paul DeShaw" > > CC: gslug-general@gslug.org > > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Slow DSL:My systems or Qwest? > > > > < requesting a page and receiving it? If this is happening, > thats a really big indicator of network congestion.>> > > > > It varies--sometimes pages load fairly fast, other times I > get up and make a cup of tea, come back, and it's still > loading--or it times out. > > > > < connecting a computer directly to the modem and doing a > network test, both a speed test (such as on speakeasy.net) > and a sustained one (Download a big file and watch the > speed). If there is a significant improvement, either a > network device or a computer is causing the problems on your > computer. If there isnt one, then its Qwests hardware. > > -Ahmed Osman>> > > > > The only thing connected to the modem other than the > computer is the phone. I tried the speed test with the > phone plugged in, and got 1067/700 down/up. I started > downloading (for the umpteenth time) Edubuntu, and it was > 30-odd kb/s. Slow even for dialup. > > > > I then paused the download, unplugged the phone, rebooted > the modem, and tried the speed test again. I got 985/655, > and the download was again in the 30's. I was seeing > over 100 kb/s earlier; I managed to get 2 gigs of Edubuntu > by leaving it going all day, but it stopped, and > wouldn't resume properly when I tried the pause/resume > trick to restart it. I ended up starting over. > > > > Does any of this tell you anything? > > > > --Paul > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Paul DeShaw > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > For weeks now, I have been having poor performance with my > Qwest DSL. Downloads can be as slow as a few bytes per > second... > > > > > > > ?? > Weight > Loss Program > > > Lose > up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click > here. > > > Click > Here For More Information > > > > > > ? > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From mark at foster.cc Thu Dec 24 08:39:30 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Thu Dec 24 08:36:44 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] status of GSLUG website Message-ID: <4B339942.5030407@foster.cc> We are transitioning the GSLUG website & wiki to a new server and the process is taking a little longer than hoped. So the current website/wiki is in READ-ONLY mode until we finish this. Hopefully it will all be straightened out by next monday. Thanks for your patience. -- I hate racists. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From mark at foster.cc Sat Dec 26 09:04:04 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Dec 26 09:01:17 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting Message-ID: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> I have uploaded the video clips from talks given @ 2009-12-12 meeting to the GSLUG group on Vimeo. http://vimeo.com/groups/30283/videos All the talks are there except for Jacobs, which will have to wait until later this week. -- I hate racists. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From zaltar at myway.com Sat Dec 26 12:42:38 2009 From: zaltar at myway.com (Paul DeShaw) Date: Sat Dec 26 12:39:48 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed Message-ID: <20091226154238.23608@web013.roc2.bluetie.com> Greetings, I just formatted my audio recording drive while attempting to format a usb drive to make a bootable usb key. Besides numerous downloads and a backup of my home directory, this drive had all my recording work for the last several years on it. Really, some of my best and most important stuff. Is there any possibility of recovering data? GParted does not detect a file system, and it does not mount. Perhaps it was not completely reformatted if there is no detectable file system. Any references to data recovery experts would be appreciated. Thanks, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------ Nutrition Improve your career health. 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In my haphazard way, I had backed up my home directory 2 or 3 times in various places on another drive (with root-only access). More recent work is still missing. The drive that I erased had been used to back up when I upgraded to Karmic, and some of the MIDI files, Rosegarden files, and various audio files had been restored to my main system drive before the incident. Anything done in Ardour was on the formatted drive, and I would still like to get those back, if possible. I need to learn a systematic way to back up files to a drive separate from the one I record onto. This would be a great topic for a GSLUG meeting. It's common to hear exhortations to back up data, but much less common to hear clear explanations about ways to do it. Thanks again, Paul ------------------------------------------------------------ Weight Loss Program Lose up to 20 lbs in one month with a new diet. Click here. http://216.21.215.31/c?cp=lowXg6F_kun9ZQWcdzs6rgAAKZXjApB24nPKaVxWtpQGskKSAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091226/95708658/attachment.html From jself at member.fsf.org Sat Dec 26 13:54:47 2009 From: jself at member.fsf.org (Jason Self) Date: Sat Dec 26 13:52:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed In-Reply-To: <20091226164005.26199@web010.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20091226164005.26199@web010.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <9D047872-71BE-42C1-941C-F6AE52CEFC83@member.fsf.org> On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:40 PM, "Paul DeShaw" wrote: > I need to learn a systematic way to back up files to a drive > separate from the one I record onto. This would be a great topic for > a GSLUG meeting. It's common to hear exhortations to back up data, > but much less common to hear clear explanations about ways to do it. rsync? From jself at member.fsf.org Sat Dec 26 14:09:13 2009 From: jself at member.fsf.org (Jason Self) Date: Sat Dec 26 14:06:24 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting In-Reply-To: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> References: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> Message-ID: <94545F09-4F72-4D9F-9842-256C7B0E0502@member.fsf.org> On Dec 26, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > I have uploaded the video clips from talks given @ 2009-12-12 > meeting to the GSLUG group on Vimeo. It would be great if the videos could be made available using something like Theora & Vorbis, rather than promoting the use of patent-encumbered formats. From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Sat Dec 26 14:05:14 2009 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Sat Dec 26 14:07:24 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed In-Reply-To: <9D047872-71BE-42C1-941C-F6AE52CEFC83@member.fsf.org> References: <20091226164005.26199@web010.roc2.bluetie.com> <9D047872-71BE-42C1-941C-F6AE52CEFC83@member.fsf.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, Jason Self wrote: > On Dec 26, 2009, at 1:40 PM, "Paul DeShaw" wrote: > > > I need to learn a systematic way to back up files to a drive separate from > > the one I record onto. This would be a great topic for a GSLUG meeting. It's > > common to hear exhortations to back up data, but much less common to hear > > clear explanations about ways to do it. > > rsync? Make sure to use the --link-dest=$FOO option... Or just google for one of the many rsync wrapper backup tools... ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From chuckw at quantumlinux.com Sat Dec 26 14:02:33 2009 From: chuckw at quantumlinux.com (Chuck Wolber) Date: Sat Dec 26 14:07:28 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed In-Reply-To: <20091226154238.23608@web013.roc2.bluetie.com> References: <20091226154238.23608@web013.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, Paul DeShaw wrote: > I just formatted my audio recording drive while attempting to format a > usb drive to make a bootable usb key. Besides numerous downloads and a > backup of my home directory, this drive had all my recording work for > the last several years on it. Really, some of my best and most > important stuff. Is there any possibility of recovering data? GParted > does not detect a file system, and it does not mount. Perhaps it was > not completely reformatted if there is no detectable file system. As long as you have not written anything to the newly formatted drive, your data is probably safe although you are in for quite a recovery headache. All that you have lost is the superblocks and the inode tables that retain the organizational information. The actual block data is probably safe. I would start by making sure the filesystem is not mounted and then taking a dd backup of the newly formatted disk. This will probbaly take a very long time, but will allow you to "try again" if you mess up the recovery. If you are not sure how to do this, just ask and someone can walk you through it. Read this carefully, it will probably help you: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html In a nutshell, the basic gist is to recover all of the blocks to sequentially named files in the lost+found directory and then spend an unreasonable amount of time piecing them back together. Chances are good that you can recover your data, but you might find that it is worth dropping some cash to a data recovery firm who can do it for you in a fraction of the time... ...then drop some more cash on a data backup system... ..Ch:W.. -- http://www.quantumlinux.com | "An idea does not gain Quantum Linux Laboratories, LLC. | truth as it gains ACCELERATING Business with Open Technology | followers." Amanda Bloom From fibonaccisrule at yahoo.com Sat Dec 26 14:20:24 2009 From: fibonaccisrule at yahoo.com (Fibonacci) Date: Sat Dec 26 14:17:34 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed In-Reply-To: <20091226154238.23608@web013.roc2.bluetie.com> Message-ID: <226713.96559.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk TestDisk is also available in some Linux repositories. --- On Sat, 12/26/09, Paul DeShaw wrote: > From: Paul DeShaw > Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 12:42 PM > Greetings, > > > > I just formatted my audio recording drive while attempting > to format a usb drive to make a bootable usb key. Besides > numerous downloads and a backup of my home directory, this > drive had all my recording work for the last several years > on it. Really, some of my best and most important stuff. > Is there any possibility of recovering data? GParted does > not detect a file system, and it does not mount. Perhaps it > was not completely reformatted if there is no detectable > file system. > > > > Any references to data recovery experts would be > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Paul > > > > > > > ?? > Nutrition > > > > Improve > your career health. Click now to study > nutrition! > > > Click > Here For More Information > > > > > > ? > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From mark at foster.cc Sat Dec 26 22:38:42 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sat Dec 26 22:36:11 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting In-Reply-To: <94545F09-4F72-4D9F-9842-256C7B0E0502@member.fsf.org> References: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> <94545F09-4F72-4D9F-9842-256C7B0E0502@member.fsf.org> Message-ID: <4B3700F2.2060509@foster.cc> Jason Self wrote: > On Dec 26, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > >> I have uploaded the video clips from talks given @ 2009-12-12 meeting >> to the GSLUG group on Vimeo. > > It would be great if the videos could be made available using > something like Theora & Vorbis, rather than promoting the use of > patent-encumbered formats. I agree with this and had said something about it earlier. However after spending literally hours cleaning up the videos (they needed cropping and audio boost) I just wanted to get them up and accessible (i.e. viewable in a browser). So I chose to try vimeo which seemed like a quality service with a free option up to 500MB per week. You Tube had a 10minute limit which I found unacceptable. My feeling is that this is a try-it-and-see. Vimeo's FAQ states they accept these formats: asf, asx, avi, divx, dv, dvx, m4v, mov, mp4, mpeg, mpg, qt, wmv, 3g2, 3gp, 3ivx and 3vx Do any of these qualify as open formats? Of the video-hosting sites out there are there any that accept uploads of Theora/Vorbis (a.k.a. ogg ) format that don't also impose unacceptable limits (like having to pay, 10minutes max and so on)? Thanks for the feedback. P.S. I had also intended to do some live webcasting of the talks but my webcam turned out to be pretty finicky. vlc has some nice options for doing live streaming (w/ audience participation) that deserves further experimentation as I'm pretty sure it can be done with the right combination of decent webcam + graphics horsepower + bandwidth. -- I hate racists. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From relinquishedone at gmail.com Sat Dec 26 22:13:34 2009 From: relinquishedone at gmail.com (Jonny Mnemonic) Date: Sat Dec 26 22:38:54 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed In-Reply-To: <226713.96559.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20091226154238.23608@web013.roc2.bluetie.com> <226713.96559.qm@web52202.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Speaking of rsync wrapper tools, I came across an article on Ghacks about one of them today: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/12/26/create-rsync-backups-easily-with-the-help-of-gadmin-rsync/ I've used this tool for some time to back up my hard drive, and I can vouch for its ease-of use. Setting up the initial backup might be a bit confusing, but then it's just - dare I quote an old infomercial - "set it and forget it." Hope this helps. -Jaron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20091226/96a4bb4c/attachment.htm From paul at eucleides.com Sun Dec 27 00:15:43 2009 From: paul at eucleides.com (Paul Franz) Date: Sun Dec 27 00:12:54 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting In-Reply-To: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> References: <4B364204.6040102@foster.cc> Message-ID: <4120.192.168.0.66.1261901743.squirrel@eucleides.com> On Sat, December 26, 2009 9:04 am, Mark Foster wrote: > I have uploaded the video clips from talks given @ 2009-12-12 meeting > to the GSLUG group on Vimeo. > > http://vimeo.com/groups/30283/videos Very nice job Mark. I really appreciate the work you've done. It allows me to see the presentations since it is difficult for me to make the meetings because I've just completed a 14 hour work day at 7AM Saturday mornings and I have to prepare for work again starting in the afternoon so I'm trapped having to sleep during that time. I think you have done excellent work and I had no trouble at all viewing the presentations. -- Paul Franz 425.440.9505 (O) 425.241.1618 (C) One of the lessons of history is that nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say. -- Will Durant From jself at member.fsf.org Sun Dec 27 10:23:03 2009 From: jself at member.fsf.org (Jason Self) Date: Sun Dec 27 10:20:14 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] video clips from last meeting In-Reply-To: <4B3700F2.2060509@foster.cc> Message-ID: <1261938183.24209@member.fsf.org> Mark Foster wrote .. > I agree with this and had said something about it earlier. However after > spending literally hours cleaning up the videos (they needed cropping > and audio boost) I was wondering about the audio. Would a microphone near the front would be a good idea? Maybe a wireless lapel microphone or something? Just a thought. > Vimeo's FAQ states they accept these formats: asf, asx, avi, divx, dv, > dvx, m4v, mov, mp4, mpeg, mpg, qt, wmv, 3g2, 3gp, 3ivx and 3vx > > Do any of these qualify as open formats? It looks like that's what the site accepts for /input/ (and some of those are actually containers, not codecs.) It appears that Vimeo then converts the upload into a Flash video. Flash does not allow for the use of patent-free audio and video codecs. > Of the video-hosting sites out there are there any that accept uploads > of Theora/Vorbis (a.k.a. ogg ) format that don't also impose > unacceptable limits (like having to pay, 10minutes max and so on)? I know of blip.tv and tinyvid.tv, but is it actually necessary to outsource the hosting of the video? It's only a file after all, and IIRC, GSLUG has their own server? Could the files live there? As an example of doing it in-house: ffmpeg2theora could be used to convert the audio/video into an appropriate format and that file could sit on the GSLUG server. (There have been a number of improvements made recently, so using one of the nightly builds is best: http://firefogg.org/nightly/ffmpeg2theora.linux). The HTML 5 video element (and as a fallback for browsers that don't support HTML 5 like Internet Explorer, the Java Cortado applet) could be used to embed the video into a webpage hosted on the GSLUG server. Then everything is done in-house and there's no need to worry about any limits (money, duration, or otherwise) set by a third party. Just a thought. I have alot of experience with audio & video and am willing to offer whatever assistance is needed. > P.S. I had also intended to do some live webcasting of the talks but my > webcam turned out to be pretty finicky. vlc has some nice options for > doing live streaming (w/ audience participation) that deserves further > experimentation as I'm pretty sure it can be done with the right > combination of decent webcam + graphics horsepower + bandwidth. VLC can do live streaming, which would be interesting. ffmpeg2theora can also stream to an icecast server. (If it's not obvious yet, ffmpeg2theora is my choice for most anything regarding Theora & Vorbis as it's the most full-featured encoder at the moment.) -- Be 1 of 1000 new associate members by January 31st. http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8244 From jself at member.fsf.org Sun Dec 27 14:07:30 2009 From: jself at member.fsf.org (Jason Self) Date: Sun Dec 27 14:04:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] LibrePlanet 2010 Message-ID: <2363B7A1-904E-4C5E-A00D-481DC866354E@member.fsf.org> Is anyone planning to go? http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/LibrePlanet2010 -- Be 1 of 1000 new associate members by January 31st. http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8244 From paul.bartell at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 14:16:09 2009 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Sun Dec 27 14:21:35 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] LibrePlanet 2010 In-Reply-To: <2363B7A1-904E-4C5E-A00D-481DC866354E@member.fsf.org> References: <2363B7A1-904E-4C5E-A00D-481DC866354E@member.fsf.org> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0912271416i892e920jbb6f03aaf0d316aa@mail.gmail.com> I was actually going to be in boston that week anyway looking at colleges. Ill see about stopping by. On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Jason Self wrote: > Is anyone planning to go? > > http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/LibrePlanet2010 > > -- > Be 1 of 1000 new associate members by January 31st. > http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8244 > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal From vernon at drizzle.com Sun Dec 27 17:41:12 2009 From: vernon at drizzle.com (Vernon Van Steenkist) Date: Sun Dec 27 17:46:14 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] rsync wrapper tools In-Reply-To: <20091227200007.8D25E8A5@drowsy.ifokr.org> References: <20091227200007.8D25E8A5@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <39471.216.162.218.13.1261964472.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:13:34 -0800 > From: Jonny Mnemonic > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Speaking of rsync wrapper tools, [...] Just wanted to put in a plug for rdiff-backup (http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/) which I use for my own personal backups. I don't know how well it scales. It allows for differential backups through ssh or to another disk. It has a fuse module which I have not tried which claims to allow you to view increments. It also has a web interface rdiffweb (http://www.rdiffweb.org/) which I do use which easily allows you to see increments and deleted files. I set it up so whenever my laptop connects to my network, a differential backup starts if one hasn't already occurred for that day. Powered down desktop machines can usually be backed up by issuing a Wakeup On LAN command before backup initiation. [...] From paul.bartell at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 17:54:36 2009 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Sun Dec 27 17:51:46 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] rsync wrapper tools In-Reply-To: <39471.216.162.218.13.1261964472.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> References: <20091227200007.8D25E8A5@drowsy.ifokr.org> <39471.216.162.218.13.1261964472.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0912271754o29d48561tec1100d6ac03e000@mail.gmail.com> Ive found that a simple shell script i cobbled together which runs at 3am works quite well, though im sure there are better tools out there. the gist of it is at http://pastebin.com/m7fbc700e . It runs from a backup server at about 1am each morning. On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: >> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:13:34 -0800 >> From: Jonny Mnemonic >> Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed >> To: gslug-general@gslug.org >> Message-ID: >> ? ? ? >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Speaking of rsync wrapper tools, > > [...] > > Just wanted to put in a plug for rdiff-backup > (http://rdiff-backup.nongnu.org/) which I use for my own personal backups. > I don't know how well it scales. It allows for differential backups > through ssh or to another disk. It has a fuse module which I have not > tried which claims to allow you to view increments. It also has a web > interface rdiffweb (http://www.rdiffweb.org/) which I do use which easily > allows you ?to see increments and deleted files. > > I set it up so whenever my laptop connects to my network, a differential > backup starts if one hasn't already occurred for that day. Powered down > desktop machines can usually be backed up by issuing a Wakeup On LAN > command before backup initiation. > > [...] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?": "who shall watch the watchers themselves?" - Juvenal From mark at foster.cc Tue Dec 29 19:31:51 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Tue Dec 29 19:29:06 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Update of GSLUG website Message-ID: <4B3AC9A7.6000100@foster.cc> Letting everyone know that the website http://www.gslug.org/ is now moved and for the most part working. There is a small captcha feature pending but otherwise it should be usable as before. Thanks for all the good work by everyone involved in making it happen. Do let us know if you notice any problems. Also I have uploaded Theora/Vorbis (ogv) versions of the 2009-12-12 talk videos to http://www.gslug.org/~mdf/20091212/ -- I hate racists. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From zaltar at myway.com Tue Dec 29 22:18:13 2009 From: zaltar at myway.com (Paul DeShaw) Date: Tue Dec 29 22:15:22 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Data recovery help needed Message-ID: <20091230011813.30957@web008.roc2.bluetie.com> Hi, TestDisk is ultimately what I used, it was also suggested by someone on the Ubuntu Studio Users list. I surmise that it rebuilt the partition table. I later used the same application, and this time I made sure I did not format the drive...but the same thing happened, both to the drive *and* the USB key I was using as the destination. I have since tried to reproduce the bug, but without success. 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