From fcp at wittykids.com Thu Jan 1 15:43:46 2009 From: fcp at wittykids.com (Frank Paterra) Date: Thu Jan 1 15:39:51 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Does anyone know or have opinions about zt system computers In-Reply-To: <20090101045438.GA14654@catfish> References: <39295f3a0812310700m3246a8aj740f44250be3de2d@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0812311019o6c7b5b12jee1268650bb9eacf@mail.gmail.com> <39295f3a0812311022s2f3fb890hd95cfed396383fcd@mail.gmail.com> <20090101045438.GA14654@catfish> Message-ID: <39295f3a0901011543u1e473ee5i43dcb3b9c187cb78@mail.gmail.com> Thanks to all who responded. I pull the trigger and will let you know how it works out. Frank On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Dan Wilder wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Paul Bartell >wrote: > > > > > I'd say you have nothing to loose. Costco has a very nice return > > > policy. IF anything goes wrong within 30 days or something, or you > > > dont like it, they will take it back, no questions asked. (or so they > > > say) > > It's true. They will. > > I returned a TV that failed out of the box, approaching the counter > prepared to give an account. > > The the counterperson didn't even give me a chance -- just looked at the > receipt, lifted the TV into a container, and handed me a wad of cash. > With a smile. > > -- > Dan Wilder > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Frank Paterra fcp@wittykids.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090101/a9f55174/attachment.html From jarod at wilsonet.com Thu Jan 1 22:17:12 2009 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:13:11 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Really Cheap Linux Netboot In-Reply-To: <90312f880901012109u78133ac3vbe641485759b7db2@mail.gmail.com> References: <90312f880901012109u78133ac3vbe641485759b7db2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1230877032.12818.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Thu, 2009-01-01 at 21:09 -0800, Aaron Appelbaum wrote: > I found this $150 netbook deal through computergeeks.com. What do you > guys think about it? Good deal? I'd stay away from it. MIPS, while mainstream for embedded use, isn't exactly common for a laptop/desktop machine, so you'd be reasonably limited in what you could actually run on it. For one, most of the large mainstream distros don't come in a MIPS flavor (Debian is the only large distro that supports MIPS that comes to mind). Anything not provided by your distro, you're probably going to have to build from source, which may or may not be tested on MIPS. -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From aonoraha at gmail.com Thu Jan 1 22:25:10 2009 From: aonoraha at gmail.com (Aaron Appelbaum) Date: Thu Jan 1 22:21:04 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Really Cheap Linux Netbook Message-ID: <90312f880901012225o1177d3a5l5964d03dc04e4ec5@mail.gmail.com> > > I'd stay away from it. MIPS, while mainstream for embedded use, isn't > exactly common for a laptop/desktop machine, so you'd be reasonably > limited in what you could actually run on it. For one, most of the large > mainstream distros don't come in a MIPS flavor (Debian is the only large > distro that supports MIPS that comes to mind). Anything not provided by > your distro, you're probably going to have to build from source, which > may or may not be tested on MIPS. Good to know. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090101/73cacd18/attachment.htm From john_re at fastmail.us Fri Jan 2 05:53:05 2009 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Fri Jan 2 05:49:04 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] BerkeleyTIP TOMORROW Jan 3 Sat- Party Time :) Video Talks: Asterisk, GPU Message-ID: <1230904385.23057.1292673327@webmail.messagingengine.com> YOU ARE INVITED TO ATTEND :) Join in with the friendly BTIP people. IRC & VOIP communication - Use Ekiga VOIP SW & a Headset. GLOBAL SIMULTANEOUS GNU(Linux), BSD & All Free SW & HW Monthly Meeting TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty January 3rd 2009, Saturday. Time: 10 AM - 6 PM (All times Pacific USA) Adjust for your local time zone. (Ex: = 1 PM - 9 PM Eastern) http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] VIDEO TALKS 12N - The Asterisk Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy NYLUG 2PM - GPU Computing - John Stone CLUG.org.za == TALK TOPICS, PROGRAMMING PARTY, INSTALLFEST, DISCUSSION == Two great TALK TOPICS this month, one on the Asterisk Telephone/VOIP system, and the other on GPUs - Graphics Processing Units (the hardware in graphics cards) which can do general purpose computing. The directed PROGRAMMING PARTY will be to investigate Asterisk & Ekiga with a goal to work on improving their technology for VOIP for the BerkTIP-Global meeting. Undirected = work on whatever you're interested in - what _is_ that? Post a message to the BTIP-Global list. INSTALLFEST: Maybe several laptop installs/upgrades in Berkeley, KUbuntu & RH likely. What are _you_ looking to do? Post a message to the BTIP-Global list. DISCUSSION ITEMS: Lots of exciting things to talk about: New AMD Phenom II out Jan 8th, 64bit GUI distros, Firefox multi instance. Is OpenOffice in poor development shape? What's the best File System? Intel hires Alan Cox. BTIP VOIP improvement features. And, planning for the 2009 year - What would be fun to try to accomplish this year? International members? Better VOIP? Video conferencing? Live talks? ===================================================================== ===== BERKELEY-TIP: WHAT IT IS, WHAT WE DO, YOU ARE INVITED ======= BerkeleyTIP is the MONTHLY GLOBAL / world wide GNU(Linux), BSD & all Free Software & Hardware MEETING. SIMULTANEOUS around the world. TIP = Talks, Installfest, Potluck & ProgrammingParty http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] The 1st Saturday of every month. We get together to LEARN, TALK, HELP, HAVE FUN, & PRODUCE more FREE SOFTWARE. And, wherever you are, you're invited. :) Come to Berkeley, or join with us on line, using VOIP & IRC. Beginner to Expert - Old to Young - Student, Working or Retired - Male or Female - Everyone is INVITED & WELCOME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROGRAM, OR BE A PROGRAMMER. END USERS WELCOME TO LEARN, CHAT, GET INSTALL HELP, etc. JOIN with the meeting FOR ALL OR JUST PART of the TIME. JOIN with the meeting FOR ALL OR JUST SOME of the ACTIVITIES. ===================================================================== ===== CONTENTS: ===== 1) IRC & VOIP Communication ===== 2) VIDEO Talks- Thanks to CLUG & NYLUG videographers! ===== 3) ProgrammingParty = VOIP ===== 4) INSTALLFEST ===== 1) IRC & VOIP Communication Join from home, or wherever you can get an IRC & VOIP connection. Join by yourself, or with friends. IRC: Freenode.net, Channel: #BerkeleyTIP VOIP: Use Ekiga SW & a VOIP headset, Do an Ekiga loopback test before the meeting, to ensure your system works properly. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/irc-voip Join the IRC channel & we'll help you get set up on VOIP. ===== 2) VIDEO Talks- Thanks to CLUG & NYLUG videographers! Times are Pacific USA time - Adjust for your local time zone: Ex: Eastern time = Pacific + 3, ie 12N PST = 3PM EST 12N - The Asterisk Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy NYLUG 2PM - GPU Computing - John Stone CLUG www.clug.org.za Download the videos the day or night before, so your connection is free for VOIP, not consumed by the video download. Videos are typically 100 MB - 1 GB. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal/web/videos == DOWNLOAD LINKS The Asterisk Free Software Telephone System - Paul Charles Leddy Run time: 1:22:15 http://nylug.org/meetings/index.shtml?20081000 http://www.archive.org/details/NYLUG_2008_10_23_General_Meeting_Video/ GPU Computing - John Stone Keywords: GPU Computing; Parallel computing; HPC; high performance computing; protein folding; vmd Run time: 01:42:37 http://www.archive.org/details/clug-28-10-2008-gpu-computing ===== 3) ProgrammingParty = VOIP We'll work on learning about the Ekiga & Asterisk software. Goal is to improve the SW or config to improve aspects of VOIP for the BTIP meeting - more end user info, details about the connection, communication between client & server, & server admin interface. ===== 4) INSTALLFEST In Berkeley we'll likely be working to figure out why a Dell Vostro 1 yr old with a new KUbuntu 8.04 (I chose that over 8.10 to avoid KDE 4 till its got more bugs out & more features in) is locking up, in fact might have messed up the booting SW, cause it hangs booting linux now, but boots the preinstalled-nonfreesw OS. Possible suspects: bad WiFi driver, bad NVidia HW or driver, perhaps leading to bad disk writes. Or, maybe bad disk or controller or MBoard? IF item 2: is a possible Ubuntu Intrepid install help. IF item 3: is a possible distro upgrade on a 5+yo IBM thinkpad with a several years old RH. The owner knows in the past there have been problems with the power management or battery driver, & hates dealing with the details of having to investigate & locate a driver, then patch & compile a custom kernel to make it work. ===== What questions do you have? Join the group mailing lists & say hi, or ask any questions. http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIP [Click "Join this group" on the right page side to join the mail list.] ===== You are welcome to forward this announcement anywhere you think appropriate. From btm at loftninjas.org Fri Jan 2 10:50:00 2009 From: btm at loftninjas.org (Bryan McLellan) Date: Fri Jan 2 10:45:57 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Really Cheap Linux Netboot In-Reply-To: <90312f880901012109u78133ac3vbe641485759b7db2@mail.gmail.com> References: <90312f880901012109u78133ac3vbe641485759b7db2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <893823750901021050s322c9046od1e9fad51d738b92@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Aaron Appelbaum wrote: > I found this $150 netbook deal through computergeeks.com. What do you guys > think about it? Good deal? > > http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ALPHA-400 I picked up an MSI Wind Desktop at Fry's last time I was there: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032 $140 + a disk + a 2GB stick of SO-DIMM DDR2. It has a 1.6Ghz Intel Atom on board. It's a nice little box with features like the CF card slot if you didn't want to use the SATA interfaces. I got one for my mother too, and bought her a SATA CDROM since it does lack a PATA interface. She's happy running Ubuntu on it to do everything she does at home. These days I have so many NIB 200GB - 500GB SATA disks kicking around I'm just itching for a use for them. I mainly use my as a x86 platform to guarantee not having to screw with flash, have an extra monitor for IRC and the likes without complex multi-video card configurations, etc. From dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 5 04:26:18 2009 From: dlg_grdnr7 at yahoo.com (Donald G) Date: Mon Jan 5 04:22:15 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu and PPPoE Message-ID: <185996.92542.qm@web57604.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know how to connect to internet using PPPoE on Ubuntu? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From ashex at chipnick.com Mon Jan 5 10:22:47 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Mon Jan 5 10:18:47 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? Message-ID: I'm curious if anyones knows the details or the general way of going about this. Currently I have a blackberry that when on trips I just plug in to my laptop to charge, to do so I have to run bcharge to increase the current on the port it is connected to, otherwise the phone won't charge properly. I'd like to automate this when I only plug in the blackberry device. I've read about setting up events on plugging in a mouse device (such as disabling the touchpad when a usb mouse is connected) so I'm assuming it is possible to do it with a blackberry. The phone is detected twice, once as the phone, and again as a storage device (if enabled). If anyone knows the method for going about this, I'd appreciate the insight :) If it helps, It's a T42 running Arch. -Ahmed Osman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090105/a7900663/attachment.htm From ashex at chipnick.com Mon Jan 5 12:24:59 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Mon Jan 5 12:20:58 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Reminder: meeting saturday In-Reply-To: <49621B84.1060303@foster.cc> References: <49621B84.1060303@foster.cc> Message-ID: Let me know if you want Cupcakes and I shall bring them! There will always be half-dozen there but they can go fast so knowing who wants gives me an idea of how many to bring! It's a Dollar donation to help cover the expense :) -Ahmed Osman On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > This is a reminder that the GSLUG meeting is next Saturday. > > http://www.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2009-01-10 > > Please RSVP and even sign up for a lightning talk if you are thinking of > one. > > -- > Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google > search. > Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | > http://conshell.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090105/fac4d087/attachment.html From konrad at tylerc.org Mon Jan 5 13:02:24 2009 From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer) Date: Mon Jan 5 12:59:01 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901051302.24714.konrad@tylerc.org> On Monday 05 January 2009 10:22:47 am Ahmed Osman wrote: > I'm curious if anyones knows the details or the general way of going about > this. > Currently I have a blackberry that when on trips I just plug in to my > laptop to charge, to do so I have to run bcharge to increase the current on > the port it is connected to, otherwise the phone won't charge properly. > > I'd like to automate this when I only plug in the blackberry device. I've > read about setting up events on plugging in a mouse device (such as > disabling the touchpad when a usb mouse is connected) so I'm assuming it is > possible to do it with a blackberry. The phone is detected twice, once as > the phone, and again as a storage device (if enabled). If anyone knows the > method for going about this, I'd appreciate the insight :) > > If it helps, It's a T42 running Arch. > > > -Ahmed Osman First google result for 'bcharge' here brings up [0] which details how to accomplish this automatically. [0]: http://rivviepop.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/bcharge-charge-your-blackberry-under-linux/ Regards, -- Conrad Meyer From ashex at chipnick.com Mon Jan 5 13:22:17 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Mon Jan 5 13:18:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? In-Reply-To: <200901051302.24714.konrad@tylerc.org> References: <200901051302.24714.konrad@tylerc.org> Message-ID: Ah, I shall take my foolish non-googling self and read up on this :) -Ahmed Osman On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Monday 05 January 2009 10:22:47 am Ahmed Osman wrote: > > I'm curious if anyones knows the details or the general way of going > about > > this. > > Currently I have a blackberry that when on trips I just plug in to my > > laptop to charge, to do so I have to run bcharge to increase the current > on > > the port it is connected to, otherwise the phone won't charge properly. > > > > I'd like to automate this when I only plug in the blackberry device. I've > > read about setting up events on plugging in a mouse device (such as > > disabling the touchpad when a usb mouse is connected) so I'm assuming it > is > > possible to do it with a blackberry. The phone is detected twice, once as > > the phone, and again as a storage device (if enabled). If anyone knows > the > > method for going about this, I'd appreciate the insight :) > > > > If it helps, It's a T42 running Arch. > > > > > > -Ahmed Osman > > First google result for 'bcharge' here brings up [0] which details how to > accomplish this automatically. > > [0]: > > http://rivviepop.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/bcharge-charge-your-blackberry-under-linux/ > > Regards, > -- > Conrad Meyer > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090105/571ffdd6/attachment.htm From lowbassman at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 14:34:49 2009 From: lowbassman at gmail.com (lowbassman@gmail.com) Date: Mon Jan 5 14:30:46 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? In-Reply-To: References: <200901051302.24714.konrad@tylerc.org> Message-ID: <44ff28390901051434h68cefd9dif4ca9d31e34a365a@mail.gmail.com> Heh... Google makes LUGs obsolete? :-/ On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Ah, I shall take my foolish non-googling self and read up on this :) > > -Ahmed Osman > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote: > >> On Monday 05 January 2009 10:22:47 am Ahmed Osman wrote: >> > I'm curious if anyones knows the details or the general way of going >> about >> > this. >> > Currently I have a blackberry that when on trips I just plug in to my >> > laptop to charge, to do so I have to run bcharge to increase the current >> on >> > the port it is connected to, otherwise the phone won't charge properly. >> > >> > I'd like to automate this when I only plug in the blackberry device. >> I've >> > read about setting up events on plugging in a mouse device (such as >> > disabling the touchpad when a usb mouse is connected) so I'm assuming it >> is >> > possible to do it with a blackberry. The phone is detected twice, once >> as >> > the phone, and again as a storage device (if enabled). If anyone knows >> the >> > method for going about this, I'd appreciate the insight :) >> > >> > If it helps, It's a T42 running Arch. >> > >> > >> > -Ahmed Osman >> >> First google result for 'bcharge' here brings up [0] which details how to >> accomplish this automatically. >> >> [0]: >> >> http://rivviepop.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/bcharge-charge-your-blackberry-under-linux/ >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Conrad Meyer >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090105/cb5bd0e0/attachment.html From technoshaman at liawol.org Mon Jan 5 14:40:30 2009 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Mon Jan 5 14:36:26 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? In-Reply-To: <44ff28390901051434h68cefd9dif4ca9d31e34a365a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901051302.24714.konrad@tylerc.org> <44ff28390901051434h68cefd9dif4ca9d31e34a365a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090105224030.GA28505@liawol.org> On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 02:34:49PM -0800, lowbassman@gmail.com wrote: > > Heh... Google makes LUGs obsolete? :-/ Not really. Sometimes you'll get an answer faster this way; sometimes an answer is complex and balky and needs incremental refinement (see also Mat's camera issue); sometimes there's tribal knowledge that you don't exactly know how to google for (like this morning I diagnosed a router/firewall box's failure to route *without even looking at it* - /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward hadn't had a 1 stuck in it, and I'd just happened to stub my toe on that one often enough to suggest it).... Google makes easy problems fast. LUGs make thornier problems *possible*. There's no substitute for a live human in the loop. Ask Jack Swigert. -- Glenn From paul.bartell at gmail.com Mon Jan 5 17:12:57 2009 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Mon Jan 5 17:08:57 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Reminder: meeting saturday In-Reply-To: References: <49621B84.1060303@foster.cc> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0901051712l57ae0040q81208ccdca71ac3d@mail.gmail.com> Wish i could come this time, but ive got to work on a robot for the FIRST Robotics Competition. (if any electrical engineers/mechanical engineers/people who know how to use labview are in the house, email me about mentoring) On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Let me know if you want Cupcakes and I shall bring them! There will always > be half-dozen there but they can go fast so knowing who wants gives me an > idea of how many to bring! > It's a Dollar donation to help cover the expense :) > > > > > -Ahmed Osman > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Mark Foster wrote: >> >> This is a reminder that the GSLUG meeting is next Saturday. >> >> http://www.gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2009-01-10 >> >> Please RSVP and even sign up for a lightning talk if you are thinking of >> one. >> >> -- >> Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google >> search. >> Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | >> http://conshell.net/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From frcaen at gmail.com Tue Jan 6 17:58:42 2009 From: frcaen at gmail.com (Francois Caen) Date: Tue Jan 6 18:01:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Events on connecting specific type of usb device? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58cfe2840901061758i181a6f33pe4998cc3cfd062d1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Currently I have a blackberry that when on trips I just plug in to my laptop > to charge, to do so I have to run bcharge to increase the current on the > port it is connected to, otherwise the phone won't charge properly. Oh thank you so much!!!! I tired plugging my BB to my laptop once or twice and saw it wasn't charging right. I figured the problem had to do with the built-in USB ports having less power than a desktop mobo and never investigated the topic. It never crossed my mind this could be a software issue. Sounds like bcharge is what I need. Woohoo!! -- Francois Caen From sweetandy at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 15:01:23 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Wed Jan 7 14:57:21 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iBook G4 Wireless -- Anybody solved this problem? Message-ID: Hi Gsluggers, I recently obtained an iBook G4. It's nice because it has 786MB RAM and battery is awesome despite its age, but the wireless won't work despite the supposed support of Broadcom's wireless. I've found that this problem is common in Mac users and even PC users. The model is 4306. I can't find the driver online, and nDisWrapper isn't "make"-ing properly and their sourceforge site is down. My real question is, since I've seen a few Mac-ers at the meeting, I'm wondering if anybody else has had and overcome this problem. I'm bringing my lappy to the meeting so in case somebody's done this before, help would be much appreciated. Thanks and thanks again, --Andrew Gray From andrew at becherer.org Wed Jan 7 15:13:42 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:09:51 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iBook G4 Wireless -- Anybody solved this problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1231370022.17953.2.camel@black.genius.local> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 15:01 -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: > I recently obtained an iBook G4. It's nice because it has 786MB RAM > and battery is awesome despite its age, but the wireless won't work > despite the supposed support of Broadcom's wireless. > The model is 4306. I can't find the driver online, and nDisWrapper > isn't "make"-ing properly and their sourceforge site is down. One quick tip: ndiswrapper requires an Intel CPU architecture and will not work on your PowerPC Mac. I had a 12" Powerbook G4 with broadcom wireless. I was able to connect to to unprotected wireless networks without any special modifications (so there is hope). I never did get WiFi encryption working. -- Andrew From andrew at becherer.org Wed Jan 7 15:17:23 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:13:34 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iBook G4 Wireless -- Anybody solved this problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1231370244.17953.5.camel@black.genius.local> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 15:01 -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: > I recently obtained an iBook G4. > supposed support of Broadcom's wireless. > The model is 4306. I can't find the driver online What distro are you using? Here are some dated note on using Ubuntu Feisty (07.04): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Will%20my%20wireless%20work? -- Andrew Becherer From jarod at wilsonet.com Wed Jan 7 15:28:43 2009 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:24:56 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iBook G4 Wireless -- Anybody solved this problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1231370923.22578.25.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 15:01 -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: > Hi Gsluggers, > > I recently obtained an iBook G4. It's nice because it has 786MB RAM > and battery is awesome despite its age, but the wireless won't work > despite the supposed support of Broadcom's wireless. I've found that > this problem is common in Mac users and even PC users. > > The model is 4306. I can't find the driver online, and nDisWrapper > isn't "make"-ing properly and their sourceforge site is down. > > My real question is, since I've seen a few Mac-ers at the meeting, > I'm wondering if anybody else has had and overcome this problem. I'm > bringing my lappy to the meeting so in case somebody's done this > before, help would be much appreciated. Pretty sure the bcm4306 is fully supported by the b43 driver (reasonably sure that's exactly what's in my PowerBook G4, which works just fine under Linux). However, you do need to come up with firmware files and put them in the right place. They're not redistributable, so you have to use b43-fwcutter to extract them from an appropriate 3rd-party driver package. Ah yes, see: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From sweetandy at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 16:03:53 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Wed Jan 7 15:59:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iBook G4 Wireless -- Anybody solved this problem? In-Reply-To: <1231370923.22578.25.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> References: <1231370923.22578.25.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: This is the part where I both hit myself over the head repeatedly and also say I LOVE YOU It works. Thank you. --Andrew On Jan 7, 2009, at 3:28 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 15:01 -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: >> Hi Gsluggers, >> >> I recently obtained an iBook G4. It's nice because it has 786MB RAM >> and battery is awesome despite its age, but the wireless won't work >> despite the supposed support of Broadcom's wireless. I've found that >> this problem is common in Mac users and even PC users. >> >> The model is 4306. I can't find the driver online, and nDisWrapper >> isn't "make"-ing properly and their sourceforge site is down. >> >> My real question is, since I've seen a few Mac-ers at the meeting, >> I'm wondering if anybody else has had and overcome this problem. I'm >> bringing my lappy to the meeting so in case somebody's done this >> before, help would be much appreciated. > > Pretty sure the bcm4306 is fully supported by the b43 driver > (reasonably > sure that's exactly what's in my PowerBook G4, which works just fine > under Linux). However, you do need to come up with firmware files and > put them in the right place. They're not redistributable, so you > have to > use b43-fwcutter to extract them from an appropriate 3rd-party driver > package. > > Ah yes, see: > > http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 > > > > -- > Jarod Wilson > jarod@wilsonet.com > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Wed Jan 7 19:05:17 2009 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Wed Jan 7 19:01:15 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: References: <1231370923.22578.25.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com> Well how is the atmosphere of the meetings and what are the target topics this month? The wiki stills doesn't say what people will talk about or anything and I'm mainly a FreeBSD user so if talks are going to mainly about the linux kernel or linux only apps (some exist that wont work on BSD or BSD has a replacement i.e. BSD watch and Linux watch commands) Anyways I just wanted to know if the target topics could be announced before hand and if so what are they. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The wiki stills doesn't say what people will talk about or > anything and I'm mainly a FreeBSD user so if talks are going to mainly about > the linux kernel or linux only apps (some exist that wont work on BSD or BSD > has a replacement i.e. BSD watch and Linux watch commands) Anyways I just > wanted to know if the target topics could be announced before hand and if so > what are they. > > > There are a couple of talks scheduled on: http://gslug.org/index.php/Meeting_2009-01-10 If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with people after the talks. .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd love to know more about this and the OS in general. On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Duncan Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:33:41PM -0800, RijilV wrote: >> If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about >> it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about >> FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with >> people after the talks. > > I'd just like to pop in and say that I for one would welcome a talk > about FreeBSD. What's it like? How does it differ from the Debian > that I'm used to? Why do you like it? > > -- > .oO0Oo. > O _-_ O _____ > O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith > O /__ __\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 > O - O +-----+ > ??OOO?? > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From ashex at chipnick.com Wed Jan 7 23:39:06 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Wed Jan 7 23:34:53 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: <8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> References: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com><5068c6420901071933n7787f7f4p582e9818488eacb5@mail.gmail.com><20090108064621.GA14212@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa><8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> Message-ID: <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I'll second that. My knowledge of BSD pretty much ends at my being aware of it. Would definitely be interested. -ahmed Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: "Jeremiah T. Gray" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:48:37 To: Gslug-General Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 I'll pile on. I'd be interested in a FreeBSD talk, too. I heard that the BSD folks don't even allow trolls in their community! I'd love to know more about this and the OS in general. On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Duncan Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:33:41PM -0800, RijilV wrote: >> If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about >> it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about >> FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with >> people after the talks. > > I'd just like to pop in and say that I for one would welcome a talk > about FreeBSD. What's it like? How does it differ from the Debian > that I'm used to? Why do you like it? > > -- > .oO0Oo. > O_-_ O_____ > O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith > O /____\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 > O - O +-----+ > ??OOO?? >_______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From mark at foster.cc Wed Jan 7 23:56:26 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Wed Jan 7 23:52:22 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com><5068c6420901071933n7787f7f4p582e9818488eacb5@mail.gmail.com><20090108064621.GA14212@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa><8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4965B1AA.1020306@foster.cc> Oh, hmm... I was going to blather on about LDAP but will do FreeBSD instead, unless someone else wants to step up. Glad to see all the interest, frankly. Ahmed Osman wrote: > I'll second that. My knowledge of BSD pretty much ends at my being aware of it. Would definitely be interested. > > -ahmed > > Sent Via Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jeremiah T. Gray" > > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:48:37 > To: Gslug-General > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 > > > I'll pile on. I'd be interested in a FreeBSD talk, too. I heard > that the BSD folks don't even allow trolls in their community! I'd > love to know more about this and the OS in general. > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Duncan Smith wrote: > > >> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:33:41PM -0800, RijilV wrote: >> >>> If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about >>> it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about >>> FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with >>> people after the talks. >>> >> I'd just like to pop in and say that I for one would welcome a talk >> about FreeBSD. What's it like? How does it differ from the Debian >> that I'm used to? Why do you like it? >> >> -- >> .oO0Oo. >> O_-_ O_____ >> O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith >> O /____\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 >> O - O +-----+ >> ??OOO?? >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -- Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google search. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From cdine at cdine.org Thu Jan 8 10:03:01 2009 From: cdine at cdine.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:59:05 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: <4965B1AA.1020306@foster.cc> References: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com> <5068c6420901071933n7787f7f4p582e9818488eacb5@mail.gmail.com> <20090108064621.GA14212@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> <8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4965B1AA.1020306@foster.cc> Message-ID: <4b5c15340901081003n45ef08c7nc161a655a0e02319@mail.gmail.com> Definitely nothing wrong with the BSD's :) Bring on the conversation. -Ian On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 23:56, Mark Foster wrote: > Oh, hmm... I was going to blather on about LDAP but will do FreeBSD instead, > unless someone else wants to step up. Glad to see all the interest, frankly. > > Ahmed Osman wrote: >> >> I'll second that. My knowledge of BSD pretty much ends at my being aware >> of it. Would definitely be interested. >> >> -ahmed >> >> Sent Via Blackberry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Jeremiah T. Gray" >> >> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:48:37 To: Gslug-General >> Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 >> >> >> I'll pile on. I'd be interested in a FreeBSD talk, too. I heard that >> the BSD folks don't even allow trolls in their community! I'd love to know >> more about this and the OS in general. >> >> >> On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Duncan Smith wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:33:41PM -0800, RijilV wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about >>>> it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about >>>> FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with >>>> people after the talks. >>>> >>> >>> I'd just like to pop in and say that I for one would welcome a talk >>> about FreeBSD. What's it like? How does it differ from the Debian >>> that I'm used to? Why do you like it? >>> >>> -- >>> .oO0Oo. >>> O_-_ O_____ >>> O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith >>> O /____\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 >>> O - O +-----+ >>> ??OOO?? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > -- > Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google > search. > Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | > http://conshell.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From aonoraha at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 10:18:31 2009 From: aonoraha at gmail.com (Aaron Appelbaum) Date: Thu Jan 8 10:21:28 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340901081003n45ef08c7nc161a655a0e02319@mail.gmail.com> References: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com> <5068c6420901071933n7787f7f4p582e9818488eacb5@mail.gmail.com> <20090108064621.GA14212@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa> <8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4965B1AA.1020306@foster.cc> <4b5c15340901081003n45ef08c7nc161a655a0e02319@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90312f880901081018r785082a8v750450c2ce31cc21@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Ian Gallagher wrote: > > Definitely nothing wrong with the BSD's :) Bring on the conversation. > > > -Ian > Hasn't Mac OSX replaced the need to use BSD? I kid, I kid! :-) From sweetandy at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 16:26:53 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:22:53 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 In-Reply-To: <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <49656D6D.9090902@gmail.com><5068c6420901071933n7787f7f4p582e9818488eacb5@mail.gmail.com><20090108064621.GA14212@5.7.5.5.6.6.6.6.0.2.1.e164.arpa><8962C835-F2E4-48E6-9EB4-46461790775C@intarcorp.com> <1071550383-1231400332-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-574383032-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: My first experience with free software was actually with freebsd, but besides managing to get X and enlightenment working, I am at least these days entirely lost. Count me in. I've heard amazing things about it. --Andrew On Jan 7, 2009, at 11:39 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > I'll second that. My knowledge of BSD pretty much ends at my being > aware of it. Would definitely be interested. > > -ahmed > > Sent Via Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jeremiah T. Gray" > > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:48:37 > To: Gslug-General > Subject: Re: [Gslug-general] Meeting Jan 7 > > > I'll pile on. I'd be interested in a FreeBSD talk, too. I heard > that the BSD folks don't even allow trolls in their community! I'd > love to know more about this and the OS in general. > > > On Jan 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Duncan Smith wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 07:33:41PM -0800, RijilV wrote: >>> If its not scheduled, then there isn't going to be a speech about >>> it. If you're personable and have interesting things to say about >>> FreeBSD, I'm sure you can strike up any number of conversations with >>> people after the talks. >> >> I'd just like to pop in and say that I for one would welcome a talk >> about FreeBSD. What's it like? How does it differ from the Debian >> that I'm used to? Why do you like it? >> >> -- >> .oO0Oo. >> O_-_ O_____ >> O | | O /_,-,_\ Duncan B. Smith >> O /____\ O / @ \ +1 206-279-2659 >> O - O +-----+ >> ??OOO?? >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From steven_coles at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 16:55:30 2009 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Siyazini_Coles) Date: Thu Jan 8 16:51:29 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] gcc, Arduino Compiler, PuTTY for Classes Message-ID: <857361.39800.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> All, I've just started three classes: C, BASH, and embedded microcontrollers?the latter using an Atmel Atmega168 on an Arduino board. http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?module=Freaks%20Devices&func=displayDev&objectid=78 Most students are running the software under XP. I don't have XP and would like to run the compiler under Mandriva 2009 on an Acer 4315 or Edubuntu 8.03 on a Lenova. http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software First Wi-Fi needs to work on the Lenova. Likewise, most students in the C class use an MS C. But the instructor says gcc is OK. gcc runs on the Acer. It sometimes does and sometimes does not complain about my permissions. One thing: Mandriva needs to go through login every power up. Currently, it retains a login when powered down. I'd also like to get gcc running on the Lenova. PuTTY serves for remote login in the BASH class. It's a three-click install under Mandriva. It's not working ideally. But the work-around is good enough. This has all gotten to be too much to grapple with at one time. I'd welcome suggestions on group or at the meeting. Thank you very much, Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090108/340e25a5/attachment.html From ian.furst at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 19:14:54 2009 From: ian.furst at gmail.com (Ian Furst) Date: Thu Jan 8 19:10:51 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] gcc, Arduino Compiler, PuTTY for Classes In-Reply-To: <857361.39800.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <857361.39800.qm@web36406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Siyazini, A quick google search turned up the following site: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Learning/Linux That seems like a pretty exhaustive effort showing how to use the arduino platform in Linux. Another quick apt-cache search reveals that the packages mentioned, gcc-ard, avr-libc, and the sun jre, are all available from your nearest friendly Ubuntu repository. Happy burning! IanEff On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Siyazini_Coles wrote: > All, > > > I've just started three classes: C, BASH, and embedded > microcontrollers?the latter using an Atmel Atmega168 on an Arduino board. > > > http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software > > > > http://www.avrfreaks.net/index.php?module=Freaks%20Devices&func=displayDev&objectid=78 > > > Most students are running the software under XP. I don't have XP and > would like to run the compiler under Mandriva 2009 on an Acer 4315 or > Edubuntu 8.03 on a Lenova. > > > http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software > > > First Wi-Fi needs to work on the Lenova. > > > Likewise, most students in the C class use an MS C. But the instructor > says gcc is OK. gcc runs on the Acer. It sometimes does and sometimes does > not complain about my permissions. One thing: Mandriva needs to go through > login every power up. Currently, it retains a login when powered down. I'd > also like to get gcc running on the Lenova. > > > PuTTY serves for remote login in the BASH class. It's a three-click > install under Mandriva. It's not working ideally. But the work-around is > good enough. > > > This has all gotten to be too much to grapple with at one time. > > > I'd welcome suggestions on group or at the meeting. > > > Thank you very much, > > > Steven > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090108/a916712f/attachment.htm From sweetandy at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 11:35:02 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Fri Jan 9 11:30:59 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Talk for new users? Message-ID: <78613fe30901091135t7bdbb8e2hf4632e7e9b5a410a@mail.gmail.com> I was thinking today about the new users who come to the meetings just to check out Linux. Sometimes we may have none, sometimes we may have one or two. I was thinking that maybe we should get a show of hands for newcomers/people interested in checking out Linux and free software for the first time at the meetings. If there are any, somebody might be able to have a brief talk prepared explaining what exactly free software is, what Linux is, etc. I know it's a pretty big topic and I know some of us could talk for hours about it (heh, like me), but I think such a presentation, however brief, would welcome in newcomers instead of diving them headfirst into complex talks about specific applications of Linux. I would note though that the dive-in method might be pretty effective as well because it gives them a good idea of what they could do with a Linux system. For example, the cell phone ringer talk from last month was a perfect example of something both venerable Linux users and newcomers alike might find interesting. I know I did. So perhaps a combination of the two? No? Yes? Maybe? Volunteers? The talk shouldn't take more than five minutes I'm thinking. --Andrew Gray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090109/aa4e7eee/attachment.html From ashex at chipnick.com Fri Jan 9 12:46:26 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Fri Jan 9 12:42:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Talk for new users? In-Reply-To: <78613fe30901091135t7bdbb8e2hf4632e7e9b5a410a@mail.gmail.com> References: <78613fe30901091135t7bdbb8e2hf4632e7e9b5a410a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2020526856-1231533970-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-962524505-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I would be interested in doing something like that. I've been a user for only 3 years or so but I could put something together. If it's for tomorrow though I would just end up rambling. -Ahmed Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: "Andrew Gray" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:35:02 To: GSLUG General Subject: [Gslug-general] Talk for new users? _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 13:19:52 2009 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Fri Jan 9 13:16:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Talk for new users? In-Reply-To: <2020526856-1231533970-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-962524505-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <78613fe30901091135t7bdbb8e2hf4632e7e9b5a410a@mail.gmail.com> <2020526856-1231533970-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-962524505-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4967BF78.9080303@gmail.com> I deal with teaching people linux/unix all the time, I would be willing to help but when it comes to speaking I think I'll let someone else do it :P but if anyone wants to know some good apps for noobs to learn there is fushi - http://fushi.sf.net which will allow someone to be walked through the basics of linux. Ahmed Osman wrote: > I would be interested in doing something like that. I've been a user for only 3 years or so but I could put something together. > If it's for tomorrow though I would just end up rambling. > > -Ahmed > Sent Via Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Andrew Gray" > > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:35:02 > To: GSLUG General > Subject: [Gslug-general] Talk for new users? > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't gotten anything out of them and I've done some searching and have had no luck so far. I'm stumped as to what it is, I've verified I have the right module loaded (snd-hda-intel) and Alsa is seeing the right audio device? It's the intergrated audio on my Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless. This is the output of lsmod|grep snd: http://pastebin.com/m4961241a This is the output of ls -l /dev/snd/: http://pastebin.com/m6174a7f3 -Ahmed Osman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090109/8c6e4d18/attachment.html From konrad at tylerc.org Fri Jan 9 17:28:45 2009 From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer) Date: Fri Jan 9 17:24:59 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Getting sound working on new Arch install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200901091728.45880.konrad@tylerc.org> On Friday 09 January 2009 05:25:25 pm Ahmed Osman wrote: > Anyone mind giving me some pointers on troubleshooting Alsa? I finally made > the step to replace Ubuntu with Arch on my desktop, and it appears as > though everything has been detected (haven't bothered with acpi and other > things yes) except for sound, kinda. > Alsa shows the device when I go in and I see all the expected channels > (snd_pcsp is blacklisted so it's not loading that) and they aren't muted. I > confirmed that my user is in the audio group and I can't get anything to > play through the speakers. I have tried aplay on an alsa test file and mpd > (runs as root since it's a daemon). I haven't gotten anything out of them > and I've done some searching and have had no luck so far. > > I'm stumped as to what it is, I've verified I have the right module loaded > (snd-hda-intel) and Alsa is seeing the right audio device? It's the > intergrated audio on my Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless. > > This is the output of lsmod|grep snd: http://pastebin.com/m4961241a > > This is the output of ls -l /dev/snd/: http://pastebin.com/m6174a7f3 > > -Ahmed Osman alsamixer? -- Conrad Meyer From ashex at chipnick.com Fri Jan 9 17:31:53 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Fri Jan 9 17:27:48 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Getting sound working on new Arch install In-Reply-To: <200901091728.45880.konrad@tylerc.org> References: <200901091728.45880.konrad@tylerc.org> Message-ID: Sorry, that's what I used to check the device and channels, alsamixer is listing everything out like I would expect it to. I also swapped speakers (plugged in my headset) and got nothing. -Ahmed Osman On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Friday 09 January 2009 05:25:25 pm Ahmed Osman wrote: > > Anyone mind giving me some pointers on troubleshooting Alsa? I finally > made > > the step to replace Ubuntu with Arch on my desktop, and it appears as > > though everything has been detected (haven't bothered with acpi and other > > things yes) except for sound, kinda. > > Alsa shows the device when I go in and I see all the expected channels > > (snd_pcsp is blacklisted so it's not loading that) and they aren't muted. > I > > confirmed that my user is in the audio group and I can't get anything to > > play through the speakers. I have tried aplay on an alsa test file and > mpd > > (runs as root since it's a daemon). I haven't gotten anything out of them > > and I've done some searching and have had no luck so far. > > > > I'm stumped as to what it is, I've verified I have the right module > loaded > > (snd-hda-intel) and Alsa is seeing the right audio device? It's the > > intergrated audio on my Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless. > > > > This is the output of lsmod|grep snd: http://pastebin.com/m4961241a > > > > This is the output of ls -l /dev/snd/: http://pastebin.com/m6174a7f3 > > > > -Ahmed Osman > > alsamixer? > > -- > Conrad Meyer > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090109/94825eb4/attachment.htm From sweetandy at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 20:13:27 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Fri Jan 9 20:09:25 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Arch connection throttled Message-ID: <78613fe30901092013t26dae571gcc4477041e3a8e5d@mail.gmail.com> Hey- I (like Ahmed) recently made the switch to Arch, wiping out my Ubuntu computer. Everything was working fine; I was even getting as much as 1000kbps for updates and browsing. I recently switched that computer's net connection through a third router. (One at the start of the house, two in my room so all my computers can have internet as well as my brother in the other room and my mom upstairs. anyway.) Ever since the switch to that router, my bandwidth has been throttled. My Mac also uses that router and gets a full connection. Is there anything about Arch I should know that might cause this? Thanks a bundle, --Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090109/aa5c320e/attachment.html From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Sat Jan 10 10:37:50 2009 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Sat Jan 10 10:33:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Getting sound working on new Arch install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Ahmed Osman wrote: > Anyone mind giving me some pointers on troubleshooting Alsa? I finally made I presume you are not utilizing Pulse Audio... http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio -- Kristian Erik Hermansen Have you tried Session Destroyer yet? From ashex at chipnick.com Sat Jan 10 19:23:01 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Sat Jan 10 19:19:01 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Getting sound working on new Arch install In-Reply-To: <1b044f780901100918vc194985v392a5f9e0c1d2698@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901091728.45880.konrad@tylerc.org> <1b044f780901100856g79118590tcf1d8d0679a9d455@mail.gmail.com> <1b044f780901100900t14091d55jf047e2f7591f146a@mail.gmail.com> <1b044f780901100918vc194985v392a5f9e0c1d2698@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Now that I think of it, this motherboard has auto-sensing jacks (Plug the speakers into any of the jacks in the back and you can define that as Audio out). On an old board I used the onboard on, it had autosensing and occasionally in linux it would forget what the jack was set so I had to boot into Windows occasionally and set it back. I've never had that problem with this motherboard, but it's something to check. Unfortunately, I can't get Vista or XP to boot right now despite using the exact same grub entries I had from Ubuntu (I backed up menu.lst). However my speakers can be connected via usb and that's working, so until I can get Vista to boot, I'm just sticking with that. Anyways, I did try plugging it into the other jacks, including the front panel. I'm rather stumped, I'm going to try loading the sound modules one by one to see if there's a conflict somewhere. -Ahmed Osman On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Josh Benner wrote: > Actually I just remembered that it wasn't my mbp it was a gateway m675 > laptop. But it definately was snd-hda-intel, and everything in looked ok in > alsamixer. > > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Josh Benner wrote: > >> I had trouble with that on my macbook pro. I think it was the same >> driver. Sound was coming out of the mic jack. I never figured out how to >> fix it. But you might try plugging your headphones into the mic to test if >> you are having a similar issue. >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090110/74a75606/attachment.htm From mark at foster.cc Sun Jan 11 10:20:05 2009 From: mark at foster.cc (Mark Foster) Date: Sun Jan 11 10:16:01 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] liberal licenses Message-ID: <496A3855.8020008@foster.cc> Yesterday (at the meeting) I was explaining how the BSD license is even more liberal than the GPL. Alas, I just ran across this from the netcat(1) man page, pretty funny... COPYRIGHT Netcat is entirely my own creation, although plenty of other code was used as examples. It is freely given away to the Internet community in the hope that it will be useful, with no restrictions except giving credit where it is due. No GPLs, Berkeley copyrights or any of that nonsense. The author assumes NO responsibility for how anyone uses it. If netcat makes you rich somehow and you?re feeling generous, mail me a check. If you are affiliated in any way with Microsoft Network, get a life. Always ski in control. Comments, questions, and patches to hob- bit@avian.org. -- Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another Google search. Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http://conshell.net/ From sweetandy at gmail.com Sun Jan 11 10:27:50 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Sun Jan 11 10:23:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] liberal licenses In-Reply-To: <496A3855.8020008@foster.cc> References: <496A3855.8020008@foster.cc> Message-ID: <143817FD-3913-4757-93FC-00D2ABC931B2@gmail.com> I'm honestly tempted to make this my official license. Perhaps even verbatim, though I wouldn't suppose the author or this would care that much about how this text is used if he applies such a liberal approach to his code. And yes, it's hilarious, but it's incredible at the same time. I love it. --Andrew On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > Yesterday (at the meeting) I was explaining how the BSD license is > even more liberal than the GPL. > Alas, I just ran across this from the netcat(1) man page, pretty > funny... > > COPYRIGHT > Netcat is entirely my own creation, although plenty of other code was > used as examples. It is freely given away to the Internet community in > the hope that it will be useful, with no restrictions except giving > credit where it is due. No GPLs, Berkeley copyrights or any of that > nonsense. The author assumes NO responsibility for how anyone uses it. > If netcat makes you rich somehow and you?re feeling generous, mail > me a > check. If you are affiliated in any way with Microsoft Network, get a > life. Always ski in control. Comments, questions, and patches to hob- > bit@avian.org. > > -- > Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another > Google search. > Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http:// > conshell.net/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From hgg9140 at seanet.com Sun Jan 11 14:27:41 2009 From: hgg9140 at seanet.com (Harry George) Date: Sun Jan 11 12:27:03 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] liberal licenses In-Reply-To: <143817FD-3913-4757-93FC-00D2ABC931B2@gmail.com> References: <496A3855.8020008@foster.cc> <143817FD-3913-4757-93FC-00D2ABC931B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090111142741.6676437f@fred.site> I think that is a "public domain" statement, though he should have used that phrase explicitly. Any of the OSI-compliant licenses will allow commercial use. All require you provide the source code if you pass it along (public domain doesn't). Most require attribution (public domain doesn't). I've released stuff to public domain, but it freaked out potential users, so my defaults are LGPL for code and "share-alike" (Creative Commons) for content. On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:27:50 -0800 Andrew Gray wrote: > I'm honestly tempted to make this my official license. Perhaps even > verbatim, though I wouldn't suppose the author or this would care > that much about how this text is used if he applies such a liberal > approach to his code. And yes, it's hilarious, but it's incredible at > > the same time. I love it. > > --Andrew > > On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:20 AM, Mark Foster wrote: > > > Yesterday (at the meeting) I was explaining how the BSD license is > > even more liberal than the GPL. > > Alas, I just ran across this from the netcat(1) man page, pretty > > funny... > > > > COPYRIGHT > > Netcat is entirely my own creation, although plenty of other code > > was used as examples. It is freely given away to the Internet > > community in the hope that it will be useful, with no restrictions > > except giving credit where it is due. No GPLs, Berkeley copyrights > > or any of that nonsense. The author assumes NO responsibility for > > how anyone uses it. If netcat makes you rich somehow and you___re > > feeling generous, mail me a > > check. If you are affiliated in any way with Microsoft Network, get > > a life. Always ski in control. Comments, questions, and patches to > > hob- bit@avian.org. > > > > -- > > Realization #2031: That the "meaning of life" is now just another > > Google search. > > Mark D. Foster http://mark.foster.cc/ | http:// > > conshell.net/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -- Harry George hgg9140@seanet.com Personal: www.seanet.com/~hgg9140 (Citizen/Activist) From steven_coles at yahoo.com Sun Jan 11 17:37:51 2009 From: steven_coles at yahoo.com (Siyazini_Coles) Date: Sun Jan 11 17:33:50 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] gcc, Arduino Compiler, PuTTY for Classes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823264.13210.qm@web36401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack and Ian, Thank you for your suggestions. I very much regret missing the meeting. I came down with a minor infection yesterday morning. I'm doing a bit better now. The software for my classes mostly works--at least with some minor work-arounds. Now I can improve the setups as time permits--which it does not so far. The Linux gcc works OK for C Class. The C for the microcontroller class does not. It still works under Windows only. The Arduino microcontroller board uses an Atmel ATmega168 (or some such) main IC. The main PCA (printed circuit assembly) board could sit on a Melba-toast slice without hanging over the edges. The Arduino "C" must be a hybrid between C and my neighbor's calico cat. It looks a little strange. But it's almost as friendly as C and much more so than the cat. Jerry Huri (the Edmonds Community College C and BASH instructor for my classes) prefers GNU, Linux, and gcc. On at least four occasions he's made it clear the environment the EdCC administration provides for these classes is not his choice. A long-time Windows user from the CEN (Computers , Electronics, and Networking) department is auditing Huri's UNIX, Linux, and BASH class. I don't remember that instructor's name. He has Mandriva on one of his computers. Thank you again, Steven -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090111/1a50a724/attachment.html From stan.dyck at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 11:31:31 2009 From: stan.dyck at gmail.com (Stan Dyck) Date: Mon Jan 12 11:27:31 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? Message-ID: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) * Tethering * General hackability * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. I think it was slashdot that pointed me to something called Barry last week (http://ostatic.com/blog/make-your-blackberry-double-as-a-modem-with-barry) which looks promising assuming you have blackberry. Anybody use it? Thanks, StanD. From ashex at chipnick.com Mon Jan 12 12:05:51 2009 From: ashex at chipnick.com (Ahmed Osman) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:01:38 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? In-Reply-To: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> References: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <556804054-1231790736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-882029429-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Barry is more of an API for the blackberries and setting it up to work with a mail/calendar client can be done. I do know that pocketmac is beta testing a blackberry client for linux. The best method of syncing a phone with a pc in regards to mail/calendar/contacts, is to have them both sync to a online resource. -Ahmed Sent Via Blackberry -----Original Message----- From: Stan Dyck Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:31:31 To: Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) * Tethering * General hackability * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. I think it was slashdot that pointed me to something called Barry last week (http://ostatic.com/blog/make-your-blackberry-double-as-a-modem-with-barry) which looks promising assuming you have blackberry. Anybody use it? Thanks, StanD. _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 12:21:59 2009 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:17:57 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? In-Reply-To: <556804054-1231790736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-882029429-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> <556804054-1231790736-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-882029429-@bxe122.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <496BA667.3000303@gmail.com> I do have a palm tx which syncs calendar and contacts, I dont know what tethering is, you can actually run full linux on it. also cool games, ebook readers and other crap. Ahmed Osman wrote: > Barry is more of an API for the blackberries and setting it up to work with a mail/calendar client can be done. I do know that pocketmac is beta testing a blackberry client for linux. > > The best method of syncing a phone with a pc in regards to mail/calendar/contacts, is to have them both sync to a online resource. > > > -Ahmed > > > > Sent Via Blackberry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Dyck > > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:31:31 > To: > Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? > > > It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective > mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > * Tethering > * General hackability > * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. > > I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. > > I think it was slashdot that pointed me to something called Barry last > week > (http://ostatic.com/blog/make-your-blackberry-double-as-a-modem-with-barry) > which looks promising assuming you have blackberry. Anybody use it? > > Thanks, > StanD. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jamesthefishy.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090112/c8fae3fd/jamesthefishy.vcf From andrew at becherer.org Mon Jan 12 12:40:46 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Mon Jan 12 12:36:45 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? In-Reply-To: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> References: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1231792846.7482.13.camel@black.genius.local> On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 11:31 -0800, Stan Dyck wrote: > Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? I have no doubt in my mind that the Google Android operating system will become the most Linux friendly mobile operating system. It is currently only held back by its limited distribution. We will find out in 2009 if it can catch on as a platform on par with the iPhone, Windows Mobile and Symbian. > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) There is currently no direct Linux sync (that I am aware of) although Funambol supports Android. > * Tethering There are currently limited, proof of concept, applications that allow Linux tethering. There is not yet a polished tethering application but the only thing preventing this is a developer taking up the task. > * General hackability The G1 and Android developer handsets are tiny Linux machines with a custom VM called Dalvik (which is the standard, although not the only, way to develop for the phone). Unlocked developer handsets can be purchased for $400 and the source code is freely available under the GPL. Currently there are only GSM handsets available which limits Android to T-Mobile and At&t. Furthermore the G1 does not support the frequencies required for At&t 3G (HSDPA and UMTS) access. It does support T-Mobile's, albeit limited, 3G network. More handsets should be released this year. -- Andrew Becherer From sweetandy at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 14:11:34 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Mon Jan 12 14:07:33 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! Message-ID: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> I know that most of you probably don't play Nethack, or have not even heard of Nethack. However! Nethack is one of the most complex text-based games ever made, if not the most complex. It's also the oldest game still in development, albeit the last version was released five years ago in 2004. My proposal is that the Gslug has a Nethack tournament for all of the people in the group who have ever given Nethack a try or who currently play Nethack (or even newcomers; read the postscript) to participate in a Nethack tournament. Other specifics can be determined if interest presents itself, which is unfortunately doubtful since there are many "cooler" games out there... and I'm also not sure how many gamers come to the meetings. But anyway. Nethack is a classic BSD/Linux gaming user's best friend, even before X took decent hold. --Andrew Gray PS. New users: If you're interested in trying the game for the first time, consult your own packages management system for nethack installation. I can speak for Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch as having Nethack in their repositories, though I'm sure others do too. To get started, type ? at the start of a game, then 'b', and it shows you movement. Numpad just be enabled in the shift+o options. Hack away! From starquestnerd at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 15:34:19 2009 From: starquestnerd at gmail.com (Joe moo) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:30:21 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> Message-ID: <296622aa0901121534y28144341kedfdadffe04f6fa2@mail.gmail.com> Better yet, we could do a multiplayer roguelike tournament, we would all be in the same world and we could host the server on a computer, connect that computer to a router (not necessarily connected to the internet) and connect clients to the router. (please correct me if I made a mistake) here is the link to ToMENet, a multiplayer roguelike (open source with a server and a client.): http://www.t-o-m-e.net/main.php?tome_current=1 Paul (aka pjwaffle) On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > I know that most of you probably don't play Nethack, or have not even heard > of Nethack. > > However! > > Nethack is one of the most complex text-based games ever made, if not the > most complex. It's also the oldest game still in development, albeit the > last version was released five years ago in 2004. > > My proposal is that the Gslug has a Nethack tournament for all of the > people in the group who have ever given Nethack a try or who currently play > Nethack (or even newcomers; read the postscript) to participate in a Nethack > tournament. > > Other specifics can be determined if interest presents itself, which is > unfortunately doubtful since there are many "cooler" games out there... and > I'm also not sure how many gamers come to the meetings. But anyway. Nethack > is a classic BSD/Linux gaming user's best friend, even before X took decent > hold. > > --Andrew Gray > > PS. > New users: If you're interested in trying the game for the first time, > consult your own packages management system for nethack installation. I can > speak for Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch as having Nethack in their repositories, > though I'm sure others do too. To get started, type ? at the start of a > game, then 'b', and it shows you movement. Numpad just be enabled in the > shift+o options. Hack away! > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090112/fab277e4/attachment.html From jamesthefishy at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 15:41:00 2009 From: jamesthefishy at gmail.com (james michael) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:36:58 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <296622aa0901121534y28144341kedfdadffe04f6fa2@mail.gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> <296622aa0901121534y28144341kedfdadffe04f6fa2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <496BD50C.3060604@gmail.com> Awesome. I can help host any servers as long as I don't have to punch the code. Joe moo wrote: > Better yet, we could do a multiplayer roguelike tournament, we would > all be in the same world and we could host the server on a computer, > connect that computer to a router (not necessarily connected to the > internet) and connect clients to the router. (please correct me if I > made a mistake) > here is the link to ToMENet, a multiplayer roguelike (open source with > a server and a client.): > http://www.t-o-m-e.net/main.php?tome_current=1 > > Paul (aka pjwaffle) > > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Gray > wrote: > > I know that most of you probably don't play Nethack, or have not > even heard of Nethack. > > However! > > Nethack is one of the most complex text-based games ever made, if > not the most complex. It's also the oldest game still in > development, albeit the last version was released five years ago > in 2004. > > My proposal is that the Gslug has a Nethack tournament for all of > the people in the group who have ever given Nethack a try or who > currently play Nethack (or even newcomers; read the postscript) to > participate in a Nethack tournament. > > Other specifics can be determined if interest presents itself, > which is unfortunately doubtful since there are many "cooler" > games out there... and I'm also not sure how many gamers come to > the meetings. But anyway. Nethack is a classic BSD/Linux gaming > user's best friend, even before X took decent hold. > > --Andrew Gray > > PS. > New users: If you're interested in trying the game for the first > time, consult your own packages management system for nethack > installation. I can speak for Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch as having > Nethack in their repositories, though I'm sure others do too. To > get started, type ? at the start of a game, then 'b', and it shows > you movement. Numpad just be enabled in the shift+o options. Hack > away! > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jamesthefishy.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 127 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090112/7073cf27/jamesthefishy.vcf From kormoc at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 15:56:24 2009 From: kormoc at gmail.com (Rob Smith) Date: Mon Jan 12 15:52:20 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> Message-ID: <456dee40901121556u27890873w3762b707d1265b6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > PS. > New users: If you're interested in trying the game for the first time, > consult your own packages management system for nethack installation. I can > speak for Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch as having Nethack in their repositories, > though I'm sure others do too. To get started, type ? at the start of a > game, then 'b', and it shows you movement. Numpad just be enabled in the > shift+o options. Hack away! (Spoiler warning!) http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page will become your bible soon enough... From ryanc at greengrey.org Mon Jan 12 16:24:09 2009 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Mon Jan 12 16:20:07 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Arch connection throttled In-Reply-To: <78613fe30901092013t26dae571gcc4477041e3a8e5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <78613fe30901092013t26dae571gcc4477041e3a8e5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090113002409.GA6151@greengrey.org> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 08:13:27PM -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: | I (like Ahmed) recently made the switch to Arch, wiping out my Ubuntu | computer. Everything was working fine; I was even getting as much as | 1000kbps for updates and browsing. Welcome to Arch, I hope it works as well for you as it has for me over the last 2 years. | I recently switched that computer's net connection through a third router. | (One at the start of the house, two in my room so all my computers can have | internet as well as my brother in the other room and my mom upstairs. | anyway.) Ever since the switch to that router, my bandwidth has been | throttled. My Mac also uses that router and gets a full connection. Is there | anything about Arch I should know that might cause this? What kind of proof do you have that your connection is throttled? Could you possible run an identical wget/curl command on both your Arch box and your Mac? What about duplex issues? What does the output of 'ifconfig -a' look like? -- Ryan Corder || () ASCII ribbon campaign || /\ against HTML email http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CB59D69 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The "freest" you can get (in a license) is MIT/X11 or WTFPL. > In one sense of the word freedom, it does not > encroach as it contains no if, ands, buts, or onlys. On the other hand, > it does nothing to ensure freedoms like the GPL and similar license do. Right, which is why it makes sense to use more restrictive licenses (like the LPGL or GPL). Regards, -- Conrad Meyer From kristian.hermansen at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 17:36:17 2009 From: kristian.hermansen at gmail.com (Kristian Erik Hermansen) Date: Mon Jan 12 17:32:11 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? In-Reply-To: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> References: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> Message-ID: Neo frerunner and openmoko? On 1/12/09, Stan Dyck wrote: > It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective > mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > * Tethering > * General hackability > * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. > > I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. > > I think it was slashdot that pointed me to something called Barry last > week > (http://ostatic.com/blog/make-your-blackberry-double-as-a-modem-with-barry) > which looks promising assuming you have blackberry. Anybody use it? > > Thanks, > StanD. > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Sent from my mobile device Kristian Erik Hermansen Have you tried Session Destroyer yet? From sweetandy at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 21:13:50 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Mon Jan 12 21:09:56 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <456dee40901121556u27890873w3762b707d1265b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> <456dee40901121556u27890873w3762b707d1265b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <380BE583-5C09-4122-82C7-A757EBDE7CEE@gmail.com> On Jan 12, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Rob Smith wrote: > On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Gray > wrote: >> PS. >> New users: If you're interested in trying the game for the first >> time, >> consult your own packages management system for nethack >> installation. I can >> speak for Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch as having Nethack in their >> repositories, >> though I'm sure others do too. To get started, type ? at the start >> of a >> game, then 'b', and it shows you movement. Numpad just be enabled >> in the >> shift+o options. Hack away! > > (Spoiler warning!) http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page will become > your bible soon enough... It's my homepage. ; ) Thanks for posting the link for others. 8 ) > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From sjbenner at gmail.com Mon Jan 12 22:28:00 2009 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Mon Jan 12 22:30:38 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? In-Reply-To: <1231792846.7482.13.camel@black.genius.local> References: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> <1231792846.7482.13.camel@black.genius.local> Message-ID: <1b044f780901122228n10d0f6fdi3fe81f19732c88ff@mail.gmail.com> T-mobile's 3G network is fairly new. I can confirm that it covers Seattle and Portland. On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Becherer wrote: > On Mon, 2009-01-12 at 11:31 -0800, Stan Dyck wrote: > > Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? > > I have no doubt in my mind that the Google Android operating system will > become the most Linux friendly mobile operating system. It is currently > only held back by its limited distribution. We will find out in 2009 if > it can catch on as a platform on par with the iPhone, Windows Mobile and > Symbian. > > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > > There is currently no direct Linux sync (that I am aware of) although > Funambol supports Android. > > > * Tethering > > There are currently limited, proof of concept, applications that allow > Linux tethering. There is not yet a polished tethering application but > the only thing preventing this is a developer taking up the task. > > > * General hackability > > The G1 and Android developer handsets are tiny Linux machines with a > custom VM called Dalvik (which is the standard, although not the only, > way to develop for the phone). Unlocked developer handsets can be > purchased for $400 and the source code is freely available under the > GPL. Currently there are only GSM handsets available which limits > Android to T-Mobile and At&t. Furthermore the G1 does not support the > frequencies required for At&t 3G (HSDPA and UMTS) access. It does > support T-Mobile's, albeit limited, 3G network. More handsets should be > released this year. > > -- > Andrew Becherer > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090112/f12ce45a/attachment.html From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Mon Jan 12 19:40:20 2009 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Tue Jan 13 01:01:44 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901121940.20310.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 12 January 2009 02:11:34 pm Andrew Gray wrote: > My proposal is that the Gslug has a Nethack tournament for all of the > people in the group who have ever given Nethack a try or who > currently play Nethack (or even newcomers; read the postscript) to > participate in a Nethack tournament. I've never ascended, but I'm in! Maybe it'll by me lucky day :) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Mon Jan 12 23:10:55 2009 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Tue Jan 13 03:05:37 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Nethack Tournament! In-Reply-To: <380BE583-5C09-4122-82C7-A757EBDE7CEE@gmail.com> References: <784F533C-6792-45D1-8C79-B4D2B1D83063@gmail.com> <456dee40901121556u27890873w3762b707d1265b6@mail.gmail.com> <380BE583-5C09-4122-82C7-A757EBDE7CEE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200901122310.55222.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 12 January 2009 09:13:50 pm Andrew Gray wrote: > > (Spoiler warning!) http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page will become > > your bible soon enough... > > It's my homepage. ; ) > > Thanks for posting the link for others. 8 ) So much for my secret advantage... :-P -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From vernon at drizzle.com Tue Jan 13 10:58:17 2009 From: vernon at drizzle.com (Vernon Van Steenkist) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:03:45 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> References: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> >> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:31:31 -0800 > From: Stan Dyck > Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective > mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > * Tethering > * General hackability > * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. > > I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. > Well, this is what works for me. Your mileage may vary. First of all, since I travel internationally, I need and have a GSM provider and a quad-band phone. This rules out SPRINT and Verizon as providers (Yes, I know that there are phones that support both CDMA and GSM but they are expensive). The Nokia 6085 offered by ATT and the Nokia 6086 or 6263 offered by T-Mobile are free and fit this bill admirably. I have the Nokia 6085 (not by choice). These phones can be tethered to Linux using bluetooth. The Nokia 6085 can be accessed using the Linux programs GAMMU and WAMMU. I also have have a Nokia 770 Webpad (now discontined) which can be tethered through bluetooth to my Nokia 6085. The Nokia 770 has WIFI (802.11b/g) capability as well. I just checked and someone is selling a new Nokia 770 on Amazon for $109. the Nokia 770 runs Linux and there are many third party apps available for it or you can download the SDK and build your own. You can install ssh which means you can ssh into the Nokia 770 and ssh and tunnel out of the Nokia 770. This means you can read your work and home e-mail through the ssh tunnel as well as stream MP3s, VNC etc. You can also install a vnc viewer application so whenever I need to do data analysis which is too computationally intensive for my Nokia 770, I just vnc through an ssh tunnel into my hone or work PC and the desktop appears on my Nokia 770. The Nokia 770 has 800x480 resolution so this works well. Files transfers can be accomplished with scp. The Nokia 770 is great for watching movies and television shows and is a great book reader as well. Flash movies can be viewed with mplayer. There are PIM and Office apps available like Gnumeric. The Nokia 770 supports USB host mode which means that you can connect USB flash drives, keyboads and hard disks to it. When I travel, all I need is my Nokia 6085 phone, Nokia 770 Webpad, my 2.5" 120GB USB hard drive, small battery pack and cable and I am ready to go. This is the lowest cost solution and gives be much more capability that any smartphone. From sjbenner at gmail.com Tue Jan 13 11:34:13 2009 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Tue Jan 13 11:31:45 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> References: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <1b044f780901131134w279dffc5n34ef514f6af1fa38@mail.gmail.com> I tethered the G1 to my MBP this morning. Worked like a charm. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:31:31 -0800 > > From: Stan Dyck > > Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? > > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > > Message-ID: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective > > mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: > > > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > > * Tethering > > * General hackability > > * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. > > > > I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. > > > > Well, this is what works for me. Your mileage may vary. First of all, > since I travel internationally, I need and have a GSM provider and a > quad-band phone. This rules out SPRINT and Verizon as providers (Yes, I > know that there are phones that support both CDMA and GSM but they are > expensive). The Nokia 6085 offered by ATT and the Nokia 6086 or 6263 > offered by T-Mobile are free and fit this bill admirably. I have the Nokia > 6085 (not by choice). > > These phones can be tethered to Linux using bluetooth. The Nokia 6085 can > be accessed using the Linux programs GAMMU and WAMMU. > > I also have have a Nokia 770 Webpad (now discontined) which can be > tethered through bluetooth to my Nokia 6085. The Nokia 770 has WIFI > (802.11b/g) capability as well. I just checked and someone is selling a > new Nokia 770 on Amazon for $109. > > the Nokia 770 runs Linux and there are many third party apps available for > it or you can download the SDK and build your own. You can install ssh > which means you can ssh into the Nokia 770 and ssh and tunnel out of the > Nokia 770. This means you can read your work and home e-mail through the > ssh tunnel as well as stream MP3s, VNC etc. > > You can also install a vnc viewer application so whenever I need to do > data analysis which is too computationally intensive for my Nokia 770, I > just vnc through an ssh tunnel into my hone or work PC and the desktop > appears on my Nokia 770. The Nokia 770 has 800x480 resolution so this > works well. Files transfers can be accomplished with scp. > > The Nokia 770 is great for watching movies and television shows and is a > great book reader as well. Flash movies can be viewed with mplayer. There > are PIM and Office apps available like Gnumeric. > > The Nokia 770 supports USB host mode which means that you can connect USB > flash drives, keyboads and hard disks to it. When I travel, all I need is > my Nokia 6085 phone, Nokia 770 Webpad, my 2.5" 120GB USB hard drive, small > battery pack and cable and I am ready to go. This is the lowest cost > solution and gives be much more capability that any smartphone. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm just about to hit google, but I thought I'd ask: Any ideas? -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From zjacreman at nasen.org Wed Jan 14 13:33:52 2009 From: zjacreman at nasen.org (zjacreman) Date: Wed Jan 14 13:30:01 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> No Comcast, no Qwest, in this state that basically means you're getting a Speakeasy line. It's worth checking to see If Verizon has moved into your neighborhood with FiOS, but that's a pretty small subset of neighborhoods. Jack T Mudge III wrote: > Hi! > > So, after dealing with the most recent in a long line of billing fiascos with > Qwest, I'm pretty much in the market for a new ISP. The budget is about > $45/mo, comcast is out of the question. We don't have any major speed demands > (we had 2mb from Qwest for quite a few years, it's been plenty, and we only > recently switched to 12mb). > > I'm just about to hit google, but I thought I'd ask: > Any ideas? > > From sjbenner at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 13:58:47 2009 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Wed Jan 14 13:54:44 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <1b044f780901141355v2f2cea8dpdd369e06824e1f93@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <1b044f780901141355v2f2cea8dpdd369e06824e1f93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b044f780901141358t3a6882d8scbe04cd916fc3511@mail.gmail.com> Clearwire would probably be worth considering. That solution would allow you to take it with you. If you buy the equipment outright then you avoid the monthly charge. Check on craigslist as people might be trying to get out of their two year contract (contracts are transferable). On Jan 14, 2009 12:50 PM, "Jack T Mudge III" wrote: Hi! So, after dealing with the most recent in a long line of billing fiascos with Qwest, I'm pretty much in the market for a new ISP. The budget is about $45/mo, comcast is out of the question. We don't have any major speed demands (we had 2mb from Qwest for quite a few years, it's been plenty, and we only recently switched to 12mb). I'm just about to hit google, but I thought I'd ask: Any ideas? -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com _______________________________________________ Gslug-general mailing list Gslug-general@gslug.org http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090114/16be78b3/attachment.html From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Wed Jan 14 14:28:20 2009 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Wed Jan 14 14:36:37 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> Message-ID: <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 01:33:52 pm zjacreman wrote: > No Comcast, no Qwest, in this state that basically means you're getting > a Speakeasy line. > > It's worth checking to see If Verizon has moved into your neighborhood > with FiOS, but that's a pretty small subset of neighborhoods. Well, we get our land line through Qwest, and according to the Verizon rep I talked to awhile ago, that means, basically, it's impossible for them to install FiOS here, sadly. :( Other than that, google seems to confirm it... speakeasy has T1 here but not much else, so I guess it's the choice of a lesser of an evil (comcast) and a hassle (qwest), and I'll take the hassle. Thanks for the help :) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From stan.dyck at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 14:34:36 2009 From: stan.dyck at gmail.com (Stan Dyck) Date: Wed Jan 14 14:38:52 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> Message-ID: <496E687C.4030507@gmail.com> I am using Earthlink DSL which is about $45/month. If you don't already have a phone line you can get a data only phone line with Qwest (no voicemail, conference calling, etc.) which you have to specifically ask them for since they don't want to sell you that. That's an extra $20/month. If you already have the phone line though... StanD. zjacreman wrote: > No Comcast, no Qwest, in this state that basically means you're > getting a Speakeasy line. > > It's worth checking to see If Verizon has moved into your neighborhood > with FiOS, but that's a pretty small subset of neighborhoods. > > Jack T Mudge III wrote: >> Hi! >> >> So, after dealing with the most recent in a long line of billing >> fiascos with Qwest, I'm pretty much in the market for a new ISP. The >> budget is about $45/mo, comcast is out of the question. We don't have >> any major speed demands (we had 2mb from Qwest for quite a few years, >> it's been plenty, and we only recently switched to 12mb). >> >> I'm just about to hit google, but I thought I'd ask: >> Any ideas? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jnicol at bluegecko.net Wed Jan 14 15:14:21 2009 From: jnicol at bluegecko.net (Jonathan Nicol) Date: Wed Jan 14 15:10:18 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> As I understand it, we don't have FiOS in Seattle because Qwest has a monopoly agreement with the city. The City was considering a public network, or a public/private venture, no idea what's happening with this recently. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004293823_brier20.html http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/227127_qwest04.html http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/03/seattle_fiber_broadband_plans.html At the rate things appear to be moving, we'll have Wimax (XOHM) long before FTTP... In the meantime, I'm very happy with Speakeasy DSL, which should be available anywhere you can get Qwest DSL Jonathan On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Wednesday 14 January 2009 01:33:52 pm zjacreman wrote: >> No Comcast, no Qwest, in this state that basically means you're >> getting >> a Speakeasy line. >> >> It's worth checking to see If Verizon has moved into your >> neighborhood >> with FiOS, but that's a pretty small subset of neighborhoods. > > Well, we get our land line through Qwest, and according to the > Verizon rep I > talked to awhile ago, that means, basically, it's impossible for > them to > install FiOS here, sadly. :( > > Other than that, google seems to confirm it... speakeasy has T1 here > but not > much else, so I guess it's the choice of a lesser of an evil > (comcast) and a > hassle (qwest), and I'll take the hassle. > > Thanks for the help :) > > -- > Sincerely, > Jack Mudge > jakykong@theanythingbox.com > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From info at ross154.net Wed Jan 14 18:39:38 2009 From: info at ross154.net (Info) Date: Wed Jan 14 18:41:31 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> References: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> Message-ID: <1231987178.7672.2.camel@natasha> on a side note, the 770 is two generations old.. anyone interested in the nokia built, linux powered, webpad he's talking about, should really check out the latest version, complete with hardware keyboard and 800x480 screen.. I have a 16GB MicroSD card in mine.. The latest version is the Nokia n810, runs Maemo Linux out of the box, and rocks for all the reasons he's stated, and more.. ask to see mine at the next meeting.. http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=products,n810#l=products,n810 cheers, -m On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 10:58 -0800, Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: > >> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 11:31:31 -0800 > > From: Stan Dyck > > Subject: [Gslug-general] Linux friendly phones? > > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > > Message-ID: <496B9A93.8040506@gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > It's quiet around here this morning. I thought I'd poll the collective > > mind. Any recommendations for linux friendly phones? Requirements are: > > > > * Calendar and contact syncing (with open formats, please) > > * Tethering > > * General hackability > > * Other cool things I'm not thinking about. > > > > I'm on Verizon, but tell us what works for you regardless of the carrier. > > > > Well, this is what works for me. Your mileage may vary. First of all, > since I travel internationally, I need and have a GSM provider and a > quad-band phone. This rules out SPRINT and Verizon as providers (Yes, I > know that there are phones that support both CDMA and GSM but they are > expensive). The Nokia 6085 offered by ATT and the Nokia 6086 or 6263 > offered by T-Mobile are free and fit this bill admirably. I have the Nokia > 6085 (not by choice). > > These phones can be tethered to Linux using bluetooth. The Nokia 6085 can > be accessed using the Linux programs GAMMU and WAMMU. > > I also have have a Nokia 770 Webpad (now discontined) which can be > tethered through bluetooth to my Nokia 6085. The Nokia 770 has WIFI > (802.11b/g) capability as well. I just checked and someone is selling a > new Nokia 770 on Amazon for $109. > > the Nokia 770 runs Linux and there are many third party apps available for > it or you can download the SDK and build your own. You can install ssh > which means you can ssh into the Nokia 770 and ssh and tunnel out of the > Nokia 770. This means you can read your work and home e-mail through the > ssh tunnel as well as stream MP3s, VNC etc. > > You can also install a vnc viewer application so whenever I need to do > data analysis which is too computationally intensive for my Nokia 770, I > just vnc through an ssh tunnel into my hone or work PC and the desktop > appears on my Nokia 770. The Nokia 770 has 800x480 resolution so this > works well. Files transfers can be accomplished with scp. > > The Nokia 770 is great for watching movies and television shows and is a > great book reader as well. Flash movies can be viewed with mplayer. There > are PIM and Office apps available like Gnumeric. > > The Nokia 770 supports USB host mode which means that you can connect USB > flash drives, keyboads and hard disks to it. When I travel, all I need is > my Nokia 6085 phone, Nokia 770 Webpad, my 2.5" 120GB USB hard drive, small > battery pack and cable and I am ready to go. This is the lowest cost > solution and gives be much more capability that any smartphone. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From konrad at tylerc.org Wed Jan 14 19:05:30 2009 From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer) Date: Wed Jan 14 19:01:57 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <1231987178.7672.2.camel@natasha> References: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> <1231987178.7672.2.camel@natasha> Message-ID: <200901141905.30985.konrad@tylerc.org> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 06:39:38 pm Info wrote: > on a side note, the 770 is two generations old.. > > anyone interested in the nokia built, linux powered, webpad he's talking > about, should really check out the latest version, complete with > hardware keyboard and 800x480 screen.. I have a 16GB MicroSD card in > mine.. > > The latest version is the Nokia n810, runs Maemo Linux out of the box, > and rocks for all the reasons he's stated, and more.. ask to see mine at > the next meeting.. > > http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=products,n810#l=products,n810 > > cheers, > -m Amazon is selling these new for $360; anyone know anywhere else to get them cheaper? -- Conrad Meyer From paul.bartell at gmail.com Wed Jan 14 20:13:10 2009 From: paul.bartell at gmail.com (Paul Bartell) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:09:11 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> Message-ID: <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> Eh. Well.. .Verizon is no angel company either. Frankly, i think blocking inbound port 80 traffic is a crime, even if its not a business plan. Bascially, they are all evil. Speakeasy might be more expensive (IS more expensive) but well worth it. Frankly, im saddened that ADSL2 hasent caught on. We dont need fiber networks yet, and upgrading to fiber is an un needed cost. I cant see people needing more than 24mbps (downstreme), at least in the next 7 years. (after that all bets are off and the internet will probably be so congested it will be unusable.) I think this thread attests to the US' telecom problem. In greece, and probably elsewhere in the world, I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL for less than $30 a month. (20 euros). There are so many ISPs to choose from that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few years ago when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned telecom (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much lower. When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jonathan Nicol wrote: > As I understand it, we don't have FiOS in Seattle because Qwest has a > monopoly agreement with the city. The City was considering a public network, > or a public/private venture, no idea what's happening with this recently. > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004293823_brier20.html > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/227127_qwest04.html > http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/brierdudley/2008/03/seattle_fiber_broadband_plans.html > > At the rate things appear to be moving, we'll have Wimax (XOHM) long before > FTTP... > > In the meantime, I'm very happy with Speakeasy DSL, which should be > available anywhere you can get Qwest DSL > > Jonathan > > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 2:28 PM, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > >> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 01:33:52 pm zjacreman wrote: >>> >>> No Comcast, no Qwest, in this state that basically means you're getting >>> a Speakeasy line. >>> >>> It's worth checking to see If Verizon has moved into your neighborhood >>> with FiOS, but that's a pretty small subset of neighborhoods. >> >> Well, we get our land line through Qwest, and according to the Verizon rep >> I >> talked to awhile ago, that means, basically, it's impossible for them to >> install FiOS here, sadly. :( >> >> Other than that, google seems to confirm it... speakeasy has T1 here but >> not >> much else, so I guess it's the choice of a lesser of an evil (comcast) and >> a >> hassle (qwest), and I'll take the hassle. >> >> Thanks for the help :) >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Jack Mudge >> jakykong@theanythingbox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From vernon at drizzle.com Wed Jan 14 20:42:34 2009 From: vernon at drizzle.com (Vernon Van Steenkist) Date: Wed Jan 14 20:38:33 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <20090115040918.288E27DF@drowsy.ifokr.org> References: <20090115040918.288E27DF@drowsy.ifokr.org> Message-ID: <496EBEBA.2040500@drizzle.com> gslug-general-request@gslug.org wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:51:21 -0800 > From: Jack T Mudge III > Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs > To: gslug-general@gslug.org > Message-ID: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi! > > So, after dealing with the most recent in a long line of billing fiascos with > Qwest, I'm pretty much in the market for a new ISP. The budget is about > $45/mo, comcast is out of the question. We don't have any major speed demands > (we had 2mb from Qwest for quite a few years, it's been plenty, and we only > recently switched to 12mb). > > > When you say Qwest as an ISP I am not sure what you mean. You can use Qwest as your DSL provider and use someone else as an ISP. For example, I use Qwest as my DSL provider and Drizzle (www.drizzle.com) as my ISP. I have been pretty happy with Drizzle and you can get a fixed IP for $5 a month. I have not had any issues with Drizzle and Linux or running servers. Pricing appears to be at http://www.drizzle.com/internet_access_res.php From a political standpoint, I like to support Qwest verses Verizon and others since Qwest was the only phone company to not provide user information and wiretapping to the Bush Administration (Qwest ask them where is your warrant and never heard from them again). Good Luck! From rijilv at riji.lv Wed Jan 14 21:48:55 2009 From: rijilv at riji.lv (RijilV) Date: Wed Jan 14 21:44:51 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5068c6420901142148x77a5fd2fp569c1d910a85bc4@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/14 Paul Bartell > Eh. Well.. .Verizon is no angel company either. Frankly, i think > blocking inbound port 80 traffic is a crime, even if its not a > business plan. Bascially, they are all evil. Speakeasy might be more > expensive (IS more expensive) but well worth it. Yeah, I use speakeasy. Normal ADSL interleave issues (eg: high ping times), I think it costs too much, but eh, they don't filter and I know alot of cool guys working there. > Frankly, im saddened that ADSL2 hasent caught on. We dont need fiber > networks yet, and upgrading to fiber is an un needed cost. I cant see > people needing more than 24mbps (downstreme), at least in the next 7 > years. (after that all bets are off and the internet will probably be > so congested it will be unusable.) > Is that kinda like the "640k is enough" story :) ? Seriously though, doesn't MPEG2 @ 1080P have a max bit rate of 40mbps? > I think this thread attests to the US' telecom problem. In greece, and > probably elsewhere in the world, I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL for less > than $30 a month. (20 euros). There are so many ISPs to choose from > that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few years ago > when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned telecom > (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much lower. > When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when > companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. > Eh, we don't have many if any ISPs that give customers NAT'ed addresses. I don't have numbers handy, but I know in various contries they do.. And fwiw I'd sign up for govt run health care :) Cheers! .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Speakeasy might be more >> expensive (IS more expensive) but well worth it. > > Yeah, I use speakeasy. Normal ADSL interleave issues (eg: high ping times), > I think it costs too much, but eh, they don't filter and I know alot of cool > guys working there. > > agreed. For seattle at least, they are pretty much the best choice. >> >> Frankly, im saddened that ADSL2 hasent caught on. We dont need fiber >> networks yet, and upgrading to fiber is an un needed cost. I cant see >> people needing more than 24mbps (downstreme), at least in the next 7 >> years. (after that all bets are off and the internet will probably be >> so congested it will be unusable.) > > Is that kinda like the "640k is enough" story :) ? Seriously though, > doesn't MPEG2 @ 1080P have a max bit rate of 40mbps? > Right... I knew that would come up. But i can't see how even FiOS could handle that reliably (we all know how wonderful verizon is in fufilling their contracts. > >> >> I think this thread attests to the US' telecom problem. In greece, and >> probably elsewhere in the world, I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL for less >> than $30 a month. (20 euros). There are so many ISPs to choose from >> that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few years ago >> when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned telecom >> (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much lower. >> When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when >> companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. > > Eh, we don't have many if any ISPs that give customers NAT'ed addresses. I > don't have numbers handy, but I know in various contries they do.. And fwiw > I'd sign up for govt run health care :) > err actually.. .They are Dynamic, but not NATed. loosely translated from http://www.hol.gr/default.asp?pID=23&ct=6&itmID=51&la=1 under addons Static IP. So really, they offer more than ISPs here would offer. It still baffles me that this can be possible. > > Cheers! > > .r' > -- Random quote of the week/month/whenever i get to updating it: "Opportunity knocked. My doorman threw him out." - Adrienne Gusoff "At school you don't get parole, good behavior only brings a longer sentence." - The History Boys From benjamin at seattlefenix.net Wed Jan 14 22:50:16 2009 From: benjamin at seattlefenix.net (Benjamin Krueger) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:46:13 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901142148x77a5fd2fp569c1d910a85bc4@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090115065015.GQ23300@seattlefenix.net> * Paul Bartell (paul.bartell@gmail.com) [090114 22:35]: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM, RijilV wrote: > > 2009/1/14 Paul Bartell > >> that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few years ago > >> when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned telecom > >> (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much lower. > >> When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when > >> companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. > > > > Eh, we don't have many if any ISPs that give customers NAT'ed addresses. I > > don't have numbers handy, but I know in various contries they do.. And fwiw > > I'd sign up for govt run health care :) > > > err actually.. .They are Dynamic, but not NATed. > > loosely translated from http://www.hol.gr/default.asp?pID=23&ct=6&itmID=51&la=1 > > under addons > > Static IP. > > So really, they offer more than ISPs here would offer. > > It still baffles me that this can be possible. The answer is simple. We have incredibly large and entrenched telecom institutions that fight change and consumer friendly competition at every turn. If given the opportunity, they would even destroy the internet and their long term viability if it served their short term goals (and they're seriously trying with their war to charge tiered rates and break network neutrality). Across the globe the United States is the outlier, not everyone else. We engineer much of the technology, and everyone else reaps the benefits because they have market systems and/or governments that work correctly to implement it. -- Benjamin From jtg at intarcorp.com Wed Jan 14 22:55:03 2009 From: jtg at intarcorp.com (Jeremiah T. Gray) Date: Wed Jan 14 22:51:00 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <20090115065015.GQ23300@seattlefenix.net> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901142148x77a5fd2fp569c1d910a85bc4@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> <20090115065015.GQ23300@seattlefenix.net> Message-ID: <21493DB6-7517-4803-B998-4BC12BEC7183@intarcorp.com> i hear canada's got it worse: http://www.cbc.ca/searchengine/blog/ 2008/11/is_canada_becoming_a_digital_g.html not that that improves our situation. On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Benjamin Krueger wrote: > * Paul Bartell (paul.bartell@gmail.com) [090114 22:35]: >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM, RijilV wrote: >>> 2009/1/14 Paul Bartell > >>>> that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few >>>> years ago >>>> when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned >>>> telecom >>>> (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much >>>> lower. >>>> When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when >>>> companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. >>> >>> Eh, we don't have many if any ISPs that give customers NAT'ed >>> addresses. I >>> don't have numbers handy, but I know in various contries they >>> do.. And fwiw >>> I'd sign up for govt run health care :) >>> >> err actually.. .They are Dynamic, but not NATed. >> >> loosely translated from http://www.hol.gr/default.asp? >> pID=23&ct=6&itmID=51&la=1 >> >> under addons >> >> Static IP. >> >> So really, they offer more than ISPs here would offer. >> >> It still baffles me that this can be possible. > > The answer is simple. We have incredibly large and entrenched > telecom institutions that fight change and consumer friendly > competition at every turn. If given the opportunity, they would > even destroy the internet and their long term viability if it > served their short term goals (and they're seriously trying with > their war to charge tiered rates and break network neutrality). > Across the globe the United States is the outlier, not everyone > else. We engineer much of the technology, and everyone else reaps > the benefits because they have market systems and/or governments > that work correctly to implement it. > > -- > Benjamin > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Wed Jan 14 22:28:22 2009 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Wed Jan 14 23:23:04 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <496EBEBA.2040500@drizzle.com> References: <20090115040918.288E27DF@drowsy.ifokr.org> <496EBEBA.2040500@drizzle.com> Message-ID: <200901142228.22323.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 08:42:34 pm Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: > When you say Qwest as an ISP I am not sure what you mean. You can use > Qwest as your DSL provider and use someone else as an ISP. For example, > I use Qwest as my DSL provider and Drizzle (www.drizzle.com) as my ISP. > I have been pretty happy with Drizzle and you can get a fixed IP for $5 > a month. I have not had any issues with Drizzle and Linux or running > servers. Pricing appears to be at > http://www.drizzle.com/internet_access_res.php Just qwest :) Maybe "DSL provider" would be a better term, but as far as I can tell, I get every internet service I use at home from Qwest. Called them up when we got sick of comcast, and that's about the end of that story. (by the way, I can log onto qwest.net and request a fixed IP for about $5 a month as well. I don't think qwest with MSN does that; I specifically requested quest with qwest.net, which worked out quite a bit better) > From a political standpoint, I like to support Qwest verses Verizon and > others since Qwest was the only phone company to not provide user > information and wiretapping to the Bush Administration (Qwest ask them > where is your warrant and never heard from them again). That I didn't know. Not sure how I missed it. Thanks for the update! -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From sjbenner at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 10:16:42 2009 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:14:32 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Low latency audio interfaces? Message-ID: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody have any recomendations for audio interfaces? I'm using an maudio fast track usb 1.1 device right now and I can't get below ~8.7 ms latency. Running ubuntu studio 8.04 with the linux-rt kernel. I'm looking at the maudio 1010 pci interface or maybe the newer usb 2.0 with preamps. Advice? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090115/bde1d0bd/attachment-0001.html From rijilv at riji.lv Thu Jan 15 10:36:18 2009 From: rijilv at riji.lv (RijilV) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:32:12 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Low latency audio interfaces? In-Reply-To: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5068c6420901151036o1398c9tbffcb2479312113e@mail.gmail.com> 2009/1/15 Josh Benner > Does anybody have any recomendations for audio interfaces? I'm using an > maudio fast track usb 1.1 device right now and I can't get below ~8.7 ms > latency. > Running ubuntu studio 8.04 with the linux-rt kernel. > > I'm looking at the maudio 1010 pci interface or maybe the newer usb 2.0 > with preamps. Advice? > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general "The snd-usb-audio module has an undocumented parameter "nrpacks" which is equivalent to the number of milliseconds between USB interrupts. The default value is 4. You can try setting it to lower values; the minimum is 1." -- http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2004/07/1011.html honestly though, depending on what your sample rate is, 8.7ms isn't a ton over USB .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090115/5da81a38/attachment.htm From cdine at cdine.org Thu Jan 15 10:45:40 2009 From: cdine at cdine.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:41:39 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <200901142228.22323.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <20090115040918.288E27DF@drowsy.ifokr.org> <496EBEBA.2040500@drizzle.com> <200901142228.22323.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340901151045y727e0b62pe0d8f794a7b029d2@mail.gmail.com> http://zipcon.net/dsl.html Janky website, good, hacker friendly service. Static IP's for cheap, no filtering, doesn't care that you run servers/p2p, local & small. I don't have them as I'm friends with someone who runs an ISP and have a line through them, but I have several friends with Zipcon in Seattlle & Olympia and they're quite happy with him (Dan is the owner of the company) He also breaks down the cost of the line (qest/verizon) vs his service, so that's useful for checking the competitors price, if nothing else. Happy hunting! -Ian On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:28, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Wednesday 14 January 2009 08:42:34 pm Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: > >> When you say Qwest as an ISP I am not sure what you mean. You can use >> Qwest as your DSL provider and use someone else as an ISP. For example, >> I use Qwest as my DSL provider and Drizzle (www.drizzle.com) as my ISP. >> I have been pretty happy with Drizzle and you can get a fixed IP for $5 >> a month. I have not had any issues with Drizzle and Linux or running >> servers. Pricing appears to be at >> http://www.drizzle.com/internet_access_res.php > > Just qwest :) Maybe "DSL provider" would be a better term, but as far as I can > tell, I get every internet service I use at home from Qwest. Called them up > when we got sick of comcast, and that's about the end of that story. > > (by the way, I can log onto qwest.net and request a fixed IP for about $5 a > month as well. I don't think qwest with MSN does that; I specifically > requested quest with qwest.net, which worked out quite a bit better) > >> From a political standpoint, I like to support Qwest verses Verizon and >> others since Qwest was the only phone company to not provide user >> information and wiretapping to the Bush Administration (Qwest ask them >> where is your warrant and never heard from them again). > > That I didn't know. Not sure how I missed it. Thanks for the update! > > > -- > Sincerely, > Jack Mudge > jakykong@theanythingbox.com > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From cdine at cdine.org Thu Jan 15 10:48:01 2009 From: cdine at cdine.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Thu Jan 15 10:43:57 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Re: Gslug-general Digest, Vol 16, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: <200901141905.30985.konrad@tylerc.org> References: <20090112200005.B88DC705@drowsy.ifokr.org> <43693.199.64.0.252.1231873097.squirrel@webmail.drizzle.com> <1231987178.7672.2.camel@natasha> <200901141905.30985.konrad@tylerc.org> Message-ID: <4b5c15340901151048q4d1b0118pa4873f19d0d8dbbd@mail.gmail.com> Internet. :) http://www.google.com/products?q=nokia+n810+tablet&btnG=Search+Products&show=dd On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 19:05, Conrad Meyer wrote: > On Wednesday 14 January 2009 06:39:38 pm Info wrote: >> on a side note, the 770 is two generations old.. >> >> anyone interested in the nokia built, linux powered, webpad he's talking >> about, should really check out the latest version, complete with >> hardware keyboard and 800x480 screen.. I have a 16GB MicroSD card in >> mine.. >> >> The latest version is the Nokia n810, runs Maemo Linux out of the box, >> and rocks for all the reasons he's stated, and more.. ask to see mine at >> the next meeting.. >> >> http://www.nseries.com/index.html?l=products,n810#l=products,n810 >> >> cheers, >> -m > > Amazon is selling these new for $360; anyone know anywhere else to get them > cheaper? > > -- > Conrad Meyer > > > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > From sjbenner at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 11:49:10 2009 From: sjbenner at gmail.com (Josh Benner) Date: Thu Jan 15 11:45:07 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Low latency audio interfaces? In-Reply-To: <5068c6420901151036o1398c9tbffcb2479312113e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901151036o1398c9tbffcb2479312113e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1b044f780901151149q37de3f44x1e0bb5f556c7ea7@mail.gmail.com> I'll try fiddling with the nrpacks setting. Thanks for the tip. 8.7 is pretty good but I still get hundreds of xruns using bristol. The xruns are in the 5xx usec range so I could probably get the fast track to work. But it only has 1 line/1 mic input so I'd like to upgrade to something with 4+ inputs. On Jan 15, 2009 10:36 AM, "RijilV" wrote: 2009/1/15 Josh Benner > > > Does anybody have any recomendations for audio interfaces? I'm using > an maudio fast track usb 1... > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general "The snd-usb-audio module has an undocumented parameter "nrpacks" which is equivalent to the number of milliseconds between USB interrupts. The default value is 4. You can try setting it to lower values; the minimum is 1." -- http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2004/07/1011.html honestly though, depending on what your sample rate is, 8.7ms isn't a ton over USB .r' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090115/79fe99fb/attachment.html From hgg9140 at seanet.com Thu Jan 15 23:18:02 2009 From: hgg9140 at seanet.com (Harry George) Date: Thu Jan 15 21:10:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Low latency audio interfaces? In-Reply-To: <1b044f780901151149q37de3f44x1e0bb5f556c7ea7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901151036o1398c9tbffcb2479312113e@mail.gmail.com> <1b044f780901151149q37de3f44x1e0bb5f556c7ea7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090115231802.4615befb@fred.site> I tried using ubuntu studio64 but never got all the pieces working, so went back to Fedora Core 9 (non-realtime). So this is maybe not relevant, except that I happen to have the m-audio 1010LT, and have some hardware and software hooked up to it via jack. http://www.seanet.com/~hgg9140/art/music/computer.html On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:49:10 -0800 Josh Benner wrote: > I'll try fiddling with the nrpacks setting. Thanks for the tip. 8.7 > is pretty good but I still get hundreds of xruns using bristol. The > xruns are in the 5xx usec range so I could probably get the fast track > to work. But it only has 1 line/1 mic input so I'd like to upgrade to > something with 4+ inputs. > > On Jan 15, 2009 10:36 AM, "RijilV" wrote: > > > > 2009/1/15 Josh Benner > > > > > Does anybody have any recomendations for audio interfaces? I'm > > > > using > > an maudio fast track usb 1... > > _______________________________________________ > > Gslug-general mailing list > > Gslug-general@gslug.org > > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general > > > > "The snd-usb-audio module has an undocumented parameter "nrpacks" > which is equivalent to the number of milliseconds between USB > interrupts. The default value is 4. You can try setting it to lower > values; the minimum is 1." > > -- http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2004/07/1011.html > > > honestly though, depending on what your sample rate is, 8.7ms isn't a > ton over USB > > > .r' -- Harry George hgg9140@seanet.com Personal: www.seanet.com/~hgg9140 (Citizen/Activist) From andrew at becherer.org Fri Jan 16 10:57:51 2009 From: andrew at becherer.org (Andrew Becherer) Date: Fri Jan 16 10:53:48 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] iSEC Open Forum Seattle Thursday, January 22nd, 2009 at 6:00 PM Message-ID: Morning all, It is time for another iSEC Seattle Open Forum. This time we have Billy Rios, Rachel Engel and Ian Hellen speaking on a variety of security topics. For 2009 I have resolved to set the agenda earlier. As such we have settled on a quarterly schedule with events on the fourth Thursday of the month. Future events will occur on April 23rd, 2009, July 23rd, 2009 and October 22nd, 2009. I am soliciting speakers for future events. If you plan on attending please RSVP either directly to me or to rsvp@isecpartners.com so we can ensure there is enough food and drink. -- Andrew Becherer -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= iSEC Open Forum Seattle -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= DATE: Thursday, January 22nd, 2009 TIME: 6pm-9pm LOCATION: iSEC Seattle Office (1st Floor Conference Room) 810 Third Avenue Seattle, WA 98104 Please RSVP to rsvp@isecpartners.com if you wish to attend! ***appetizers and beverages to be served*** ***technical managers and engineers only please*** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= AGENDA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SPEAKER: Billy Rios / Security Engineer / Microsoft Corp. PRESENTATION TITLE: "Cross domain leakiness: Divulging sensitive information and attacking SSL sessions" PRESENTATION SUMMARY: In this presentation, we'll see that cross-domain issues are still relatively common in browsers. The cross-domain issues can be split into two groups. First, there are out-and-out bugs that can be fixed relatively easily. These bugs tend to be in the less common cross-domain functional areas, and are often introduced with new cross-domain capable features. Interesting examples of such bugs will be discussed, and some new examples released. Secondly, there are cross-domain leakages resulting from how browsers generally work by design or intent. These are unfortunately hard to fix without breaking things, and the regrettable consequence is often that web app developers have to beware of an increasing list of dangers. We will look at some new pitfalls here in the areas of cross-domain CSS, scripting and cookie handling. Finally, there will be an interesting diversion that takes "sidejacking" to the max -- looking at what you really can do if you are an active man-in-the-middle attacker looking to attack a victim who is carefully using only SSL sessions. SPEAKER: Rachel Engel / Security Consultant / iSEC Partners PRESENTATION TITLE: "Why I wrote my own web proxy (when there are so many already available)." PRESENTATION SUMMARY: Web proxies with a graphical editor mode are a staple of web penetration testing. The current round of web penetration proxies are a good start, but I think we can do a little better, and am working on doing so. Current approaches mix being web proxies with attempts at automated analysis of security vulnerabilities. The best approach is to leave automated analysis to tools that do such things, and have the web proxy act as an attack surface browser for web attacks, putting the security analyst firmly in the drivers seat of the web pentesting experience. Gizmo is a the beginning of a new attack surface browser, and I'll be talking about the thought process that led me to reinvent the wheel, what features I think attack surface browsers should include, and where I'm going with gizmo. SPEAKER: Ian Hellen / Senior Security Engineer in Windows Security Assurance / Microsoft Corp. PRESENTATION TITLE: "Probing the Far Corners of Windows ? Using Code Characteristics to Find Security Bugs" PRESENTATION SUMMARY: The talk will focus on methods we've used to identify high risk components that need special attention in the form of design and code reviews. We will be covering the following topics: * Recap on security review process for Windows ? where do we need to improve things? * What makes code high risk ? combination of attackable surface, the security guarantees made and the quality of the design and code. * How we identify and measure attack surface components * How we identify components that make security guarantees * How we identify code quality (or at least where code is likely to be poor, more bug prone or simply naive) * How we add all this together to produce meaningful metrics * How this all fits (or will fit) into the Windows security review process * Case studies of where we've used this to help track down serious bugs * Future plans to automate security testing based on the risk score outcome and code characteristics Interested in presenting at a future Forum? Email forum@isecpartners.com. Talks should be 20-30 minutes max. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= About the iSEC Open Security Forum -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The iSEC Open Security Forum is an informal and open venue for the discussion and presentation of security related research and tools, and an opportunity for security researchers from all fields to get together and share work and ideas. The Forum aims to meet in the Bay Area and Seattle quarterly. Forum agendas are crafted with the specific needs/interests of its members in mind and consist of brief 20-30 minute talks. Talks are not product pitches or strongly vendor preferential. Attendance is by invite only and is limited to engineers and technical managers. Any area of security is welcome including reversing, secure development, new techniques or tools, application security, cryptography, etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To unsubscribe from further communication regarding iSEC Partners Events, please email events@isecpartners.com with UNSUBCRIBE in the subject. From dereks at realloc.net Fri Jan 16 10:21:42 2009 From: dereks at realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Fri Jan 16 11:32:16 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Low latency audio interfaces? In-Reply-To: <20090115231802.4615befb@fred.site> References: <1b044f780901151016v1d892a10m9e8f243f854a45e4@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901151036o1398c9tbffcb2479312113e@mail.gmail.com> <1b044f780901151149q37de3f44x1e0bb5f556c7ea7@mail.gmail.com> <20090115231802.4615befb@fred.site> Message-ID: <4970D036.5020007@realloc.net> This may or may not be relevant, but yesterday I caught a story on Slashdot about a current bug in the Linux kernel that affects I/O performance: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/15/049201 Perhaps that was a factor in why you saw so much latency under the RT Ubuntu...? --Derek Harry George wrote: > I tried using ubuntu studio64 but never got all the pieces working, so > went back to Fedora Core 9 (non-realtime). So this is maybe not > relevant, except that I happen to have the m-audio 1010LT, and have some > hardware and software hooked up to it via jack. > > http://www.seanet.com/~hgg9140/art/music/computer.html > > > On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:49:10 -0800 > Josh Benner wrote: > > >> I'll try fiddling with the nrpacks setting. Thanks for the tip. 8.7 >> is pretty good but I still get hundreds of xruns using bristol. The >> xruns are in the 5xx usec range so I could probably get the fast track >> to work. But it only has 1 line/1 mic input so I'd like to upgrade to >> something with 4+ inputs. >> >> On Jan 15, 2009 10:36 AM, "RijilV" wrote: >> >> >> >> 2009/1/15 Josh Benner >> >> >>>>> Does anybody have any recomendations for audio interfaces? I'm >>>>> using >>>>> >>> an maudio fast track usb 1... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gslug-general mailing list >>> Gslug-general@gslug.org >>> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >>> >> >> "The snd-usb-audio module has an undocumented parameter "nrpacks" >> which is equivalent to the number of milliseconds between USB >> interrupts. The default value is 4. You can try setting it to lower >> values; the minimum is 1." >> >> -- http://lalists.stanford.edu/lau/2004/07/1011.html >> >> >> honestly though, depending on what your sample rate is, 8.7ms isn't a >> ton over USB >> >> >> .r' >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From thushw at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 19:19:03 2009 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Sat Jan 17 19:15:02 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520901171919n40dbff46m3132194ad12aa1@mail.gmail.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I actually do recognize that build failure. The iwe_stream functions all require an additional argument as of 2.6.28 or 2.6.29's wireless stack, which is closer to what F10's 2.6.27.x kernels have in them, at least on this front. The acx driver simply needs to be updated to add that additional argument. See the following other out-of-tree wireless driver patches for hints: http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/rt2870-kmod/F-9/rt2870-2.6.25-iwe_stream-fix.patch?revision=1.1&root=free&view=markup http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/wl-kmod/F-8/broadcom-wl-5.10.27.12-kernel-2.6.26-fedora.patch?revision=1.1&root=nonfree&view=markup > i must say that i couldn't find the rpm packages through yum (i > think freshrpms has them for fedora 9 but not 10), so hunted around > for these: FreshRPMs is one of the repositories that joined forces and ultimately resulted in RPMFusion[1], so Thias stopped building most of FreshRPMs after Fedora 9, instead only building in RPMFusion. Doesn't look like any acx bits have made it in there yet though. [1] http://rpmfusion.org/ -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From thushw at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 20:57:16 2009 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Sat Jan 17 20:53:14 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <548C708D-B23E-4D9D-A1DD-C61D450E2688@wilsonet.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520901171919n40dbff46m3132194ad12aa1@mail.gmail.com> <548C708D-B23E-4D9D-A1DD-C61D450E2688@wilsonet.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520901172057p1806b24ek8b363444e2f733ff@mail.gmail.com> thanks. seems like my driver is missing the first parameter - a struct iw_request_info*. seems to be a struct not used by many drivers? can i allocate one, zero the fields and pass that? the function calling this doesn't get a suitable struct passed in: static char* acx_s_scan_add_station( acx_device_t *adev, char *ptr, char *end_buf, struct client *bss) { struct iw_event iwe; char *ptr_rate; FN_ENTER; /* MAC address has to be added first */ iwe.cmd = SIOCGIWAP; iwe.u.ap_addr.sa_family = ARPHRD_ETHER; MAC_COPY(iwe.u.ap_addr.sa_data, bss->bssid); acxlog_mac(L_IOCTL, "scan, station address: ", bss->bssid, "\n"); ptr = iwe_stream_add_event(ptr, end_buf, &iwe, IW_EV_ADDR_LEN); .... thanks, thushara On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > On Jan 17, 2009, at 22:19, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > > hi Jarod - >> >> i tried to move onto RH, i'm almost there, having some trouble with my >> ACX111 wireless. >> i followed this: >> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Fedora >> >> and it failed doing the dkms build. >> >> looks like mismatching headers. i'm attaching the build.log. >> > > I actually do recognize that build failure. The iwe_stream functions all > require an additional argument as of 2.6.28 or 2.6.29's wireless stack, > which is closer to what F10's 2.6.27.x kernels have in them, at least on > this front. The acx driver simply needs to be updated to add that additional > argument. See the following other out-of-tree wireless driver patches for > hints: > > > http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/rt2870-kmod/F-9/rt2870-2.6.25-iwe_stream-fix.patch?revision=1.1&root=free&view=markup > > > http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/wl-kmod/F-8/broadcom-wl-5.10.27.12-kernel-2.6.26-fedora.patch?revision=1.1&root=nonfree&view=markup > > > i must say that i couldn't find the rpm packages through yum (i think >> freshrpms has them for fedora 9 but not 10), so hunted around for these: >> > > FreshRPMs is one of the repositories that joined forces and ultimately > resulted in RPMFusion[1], so Thias stopped building most of FreshRPMs after > Fedora 9, instead only building in RPMFusion. Doesn't look like any acx bits > have made it in there yet though. > > [1] http://rpmfusion.org/ > > -- > Jarod Wilson > jarod@wilsonet.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090117/1e3f91a6/attachment.html From thushw at gmail.com Sat Jan 17 21:41:23 2009 From: thushw at gmail.com (Thushara Wijeratna) Date: Sat Jan 17 21:37:20 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <2625b9520901172057p1806b24ek8b363444e2f733ff@mail.gmail.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520901171919n40dbff46m3132194ad12aa1@mail.gmail.com> <548C708D-B23E-4D9D-A1DD-C61D450E2688@wilsonet.com> <2625b9520901172057p1806b24ek8b363444e2f733ff@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2625b9520901172141x1a905c9p46111a604fb9ffcf@mail.gmail.com> i may have figured this out - there was only a single place that called that function and the caller had the right struct, so i passed that in. but the dkms build overwrites the file, so i ran the cmd manually: make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686 -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686/build M=/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build i may have hit another bug : http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1434 here is the compiler output: [thushara@gini-sisila build]$ sudo make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686 -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686/build M=/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build make: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686' CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/ioctl.o CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.o /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c: In function 'acx_l_rxmonitor': /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:2429: error: 'struct sk_buff' has no member named 'mac' /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6620:14: error: macro "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c: In function 'acx_init_task_scheduler': /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: 'INIT_WORK' undeclared (first use in this function) /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: for each function it appears in.) make[1]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.o] Error 1 make: *** [_module_/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build] Error 2 make: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686' should i grab the kernel/include/linux/skbuff.h from the trunk as suggested, or is there an easier fix for this? thanks, thushara On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > thanks. seems like my driver is missing the first parameter - a struct > iw_request_info*. > seems to be a struct not used by many drivers? can i allocate one, zero the > fields and pass that? > the function calling this doesn't get a suitable struct passed in: > > static char* > acx_s_scan_add_station( > acx_device_t *adev, > char *ptr, > char *end_buf, > struct client *bss) > { > struct iw_event iwe; > char *ptr_rate; > > FN_ENTER; > > /* MAC address has to be added first */ > iwe.cmd = SIOCGIWAP; > iwe.u.ap_addr.sa_family = ARPHRD_ETHER; > MAC_COPY(iwe.u.ap_addr.sa_data, bss->bssid); > acxlog_mac(L_IOCTL, "scan, station address: ", bss->bssid, "\n"); > ptr = iwe_stream_add_event(ptr, end_buf, &iwe, IW_EV_ADDR_LEN); > > .... > > thanks, > thushara > > > > On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Jarod Wilson wrote: > >> On Jan 17, 2009, at 22:19, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: >> >> hi Jarod - >>> >>> i tried to move onto RH, i'm almost there, having some trouble with my >>> ACX111 wireless. >>> i followed this: >>> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Fedora >>> >>> and it failed doing the dkms build. >>> >>> looks like mismatching headers. i'm attaching the build.log. >>> >> >> I actually do recognize that build failure. The iwe_stream functions all >> require an additional argument as of 2.6.28 or 2.6.29's wireless stack, >> which is closer to what F10's 2.6.27.x kernels have in them, at least on >> this front. The acx driver simply needs to be updated to add that additional >> argument. See the following other out-of-tree wireless driver patches for >> hints: >> >> >> http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/rt2870-kmod/F-9/rt2870-2.6.25-iwe_stream-fix.patch?revision=1.1&root=free&view=markup >> >> >> http://cvs.rpmfusion.org/viewvc/rpms/wl-kmod/F-8/broadcom-wl-5.10.27.12-kernel-2.6.26-fedora.patch?revision=1.1&root=nonfree&view=markup >> >> >> i must say that i couldn't find the rpm packages through yum (i think >>> freshrpms has them for fedora 9 but not 10), so hunted around for these: >>> >> >> FreshRPMs is one of the repositories that joined forces and ultimately >> resulted in RPMFusion[1], so Thias stopped building most of FreshRPMs after >> Fedora 9, instead only building in RPMFusion. Doesn't look like any acx bits >> have made it in there yet though. >> >> [1] http://rpmfusion.org/ >> >> -- >> Jarod Wilson >> jarod@wilsonet.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090117/c8ad9f24/attachment.htm From ryanc at greengrey.org Mon Jan 19 11:14:36 2009 From: ryanc at greengrey.org (Ryan Corder) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:10:37 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] syslog-ng splitting large messages In-Reply-To: <939070.44544.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <939070.44544.qm@web51107.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090119191436.GA25087@greengrey.org> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:00:19PM -0800, James Affeld wrote: | Whether I use udp or tcp it appears the message is split at a point that is | larger than 1024 (the default) but smaller than on the MTU boundary. | | Anybody have experience with using large messages on syslog-ng? Anybody | have this experience? Could logger be introducing limits? Here is a tidbit from the syslog-ng FAQ: syslog defaults to 1024 byte long messages, but this value is tunable in syslog-ng 1.5 where you can set it to a higher value. options { log_msg_size(8192); }; b) Andreas Schulze points out: "We are running snmptrapd and syslog-ng 1.5.x under Solaris 8 and observed exactly the same problem. This doesn't fix the problem for us. It seems that there is a problem in the syslog(3) implementation at least on Solaris. Maybe on Linux, too. This is important, because snmptrapd feeds its messages via syslog(3) to syslog-ng. So syslog-ng never gets the correct message, because its truncated in libc before syslog-ng receive it. [snip] Basically you're screwed on Solaris, but hopefully other implementations aren't as brain-dead. You have to remember that logger is part of the util-linux-ng package as does it's logging via syslog(3) and not directly to syslog-ng. I looked through logger.c and noticed there are some hard-coded values defined -- most likely you are either running up against those or a similar limitation in libc like that mentioned above in the FAQ. Your solution could be this: per the logger(1) man page, check out the '-u' switch. This will allow you to send your log messages directly to a socket instead of going through the builtin syslog routines. You may also need to test with the '-d' switch in logger to see which works better on your platform, a datagram or a stream. syslog-ng makes it a breeze to setup a socket and gather logs from it: source logger_socket { unix-stream("/tmp/logger_stream"); }; OR source logger_socket { unix-dgram("/tmp/logger_dgram"); }; THEN log { source(logger_socket); destination(some_destination); }; unix-stream and unix-dgram accomplish the same thing, just one type may work better on different platforms. For instance, unix-stream works the best on my Linux boxes, while unix-dgram works the best on my OpenBSD boxes. good luck. ryanc -- Ryan Corder || () ASCII ribbon campaign || /\ against HTML email http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CB59D69 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090119/df3da181/attachment.pgp From starquestnerd at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 13:19:48 2009 From: starquestnerd at gmail.com (Joe moo) Date: Fri Jan 23 13:15:49 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Corewar - The emulated programming game Message-ID: <296622aa0901231319ydacee37na3c40cf10053e89f@mail.gmail.com> Just a note: This is not meant to be read as spam or an ad or something, this is just me telling my friends about a game I enjoy. Corewar is a fun game in which you either program some bots in it's version of pseudo assembly or you have an evolver do it for you. It is a great way for people to get started on programming assembly and eventually to hacking the kernel (well at least the parts in assembly!) I am going to put up a site soon for Corewar. I discovered corewar recently and already hacked out a short makefile for the CRE project (they acctually didn't have one...). Anyway here is my site for it: Sincerely, Paul aka Pjwaffle From sweetandy at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 16:08:07 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:04:06 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Last Resort... Broadcom firmware mixup Message-ID: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> Okay. I've taken this problem to IRC, with no result. All suggestions I had already tried. Forums have left me hanging; nobody has replied yet after a few days. (Am I being impatient?) I thought I'd ask a favor from someone who might have had a similar problem. I've got a PPC iBook G4 with a Broadcom 4306 wireless card. The laptop's a beaut and fast. At first I was dismayed to find the wireless not working from a fresh Debian Lenny install, but after some looking around (linuxwireless) I found a solution. It was called b43-fwcutter. I installed it, and to my amazement, I had wireless! Huzzah! That lasted a week or two. At the newest kernel update, my wireless was gone. (I sure learned my lesson - never update the kernel). Just, gone. I tried dpkg -L b43- fwcutter and found the install script for the driver itself and ran it directly. I restarted and... nada. The little network connection dealy in the gnome-panel has only a grayed out "Wired Network." Apparently, the firmware was replaced with the new kernel's firmware in the update. That's the only logical thing that I think could have happened. I browed a few forums to see what others have said, and there's nothing that I could do that worked. Has anybody had any luck with an iBook G4, or even just with a broadcom driver being overridden? Fresh install?!? I'm about ready to do a fresh install. Suggestions? Thanks a bundle, --Andrew Gray -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090123/167ff300/attachment.htm From technoshaman at liawol.org Fri Jan 23 16:39:12 2009 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Fri Jan 23 16:35:10 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Last Resort... Broadcom firmware mixup In-Reply-To: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> References: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090124003912.GG5126@liawol.org> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:08:07PM -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: > I've got a PPC iBook G4 with a Broadcom 4306 wireless card. The > > At the newest kernel update, my wireless was gone. (I sure learned my > install?!? I'm about ready to do a fresh install. Suggestions? OK, I learned this stunt with an rt61; it ought to work similarly. Find the firmware file (it's probably a .bin file; anything with a suspicious extension is probably your victim) in /lib/modules/oldkernelversion. Drop it in place in /lib/modules/newkernelversion (BACK THE NEW ONE UP!). POWER CYCLE the box. Pray. That's my two bits' on a Friday afternoon looming on 5pm. And don't forget the rule about changing production on a Friday... tell me you don't depend on this box for email. -- Glenn From sweetandy at gmail.com Fri Jan 23 17:20:41 2009 From: sweetandy at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:16:42 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Last Resort... Broadcom firmware mixup In-Reply-To: <20090124003912.GG5126@liawol.org> References: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> <20090124003912.GG5126@liawol.org> Message-ID: Haha, no, I don't rely on this computer for email ; ) I love the idea. It sounds like a rather creative work-around. I checked the different kernel's wireless folders and the old one has one (bcm43xx) and the new one has two (b43 and b43legacy). None of the files within match names. Also, there's not weird module extension... only .ko. I think despite reinstalling the Broadcom firmware it still doesn't show up. I even looked at the ouput for the install script and none of those files seem to exist in this area (although they claim to). /lib/modules/2.*/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ That's the directly I'm looking in. Grrrr --Andrew On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Glenn Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:08:07PM -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: >> I've got a PPC iBook G4 with a Broadcom 4306 wireless card. The >> >> At the newest kernel update, my wireless was gone. (I sure >> learned my > >> install?!? I'm about ready to do a fresh install. Suggestions? > > OK, I learned this stunt with an rt61; it ought to work similarly. > Find the > firmware file (it's probably a .bin file; anything with a suspicious > extension is probably your victim) in /lib/modules/ > oldkernelversion. Drop > it in place in /lib/modules/newkernelversion (BACK THE NEW ONE > UP!). POWER > CYCLE the box. Pray. > > That's my two bits' on a Friday afternoon looming on 5pm. And > don't forget > the rule about changing production on a Friday... tell me you don't > depend > on this box for email. > > -- Glenn > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jarod at wilsonet.com Fri Jan 23 17:46:48 2009 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Fri Jan 23 17:42:52 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Last Resort... Broadcom firmware mixup In-Reply-To: References: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> <20090124003912.GG5126@liawol.org> Message-ID: Another (saner) idea: Look at dmesg. See what sort of messages you can see around the time the b43 driver tries to load. If I'm remembering correctly, recent kernels changed the location they're looking for the firmware files in, so you should see a message about failing to load firmware file / lib/firmware/b43/ucode5.fw. If you see that, I betcha your firmware files are directly in /lib/firmware, so all you should have to do to get things working again is create /lib/firmware/b43/ and move appropriate firmware file(s) in there. On Jan 23, 2009, at 20:20, Andrew Gray wrote: > Haha, no, I don't rely on this computer for email ; ) > > I love the idea. It sounds like a rather creative work-around. > > I checked the different kernel's wireless folders and the old one > has one (bcm43xx) and the new one has two (b43 and b43legacy). None > of the files within match names. Ah. So previously, you were using the (defunct) bcm43xx driver -- that's relatively ancient now (deprecated at least a year ago, maybe two). Now you should be using the b43 driver, which uses a different firmware file than the bcm43xx. Refer back to the above passage about looking at dmesg and seeing if there are firmware load errors. > Also, there's not weird module extension... only .ko. I think > despite reinstalling the Broadcom firmware it still doesn't show up. > I even looked at the ouput for the install script and none of those > files seem to exist in this area (although they claim to). > > /lib/modules/2.*/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ > > That's the directly I'm looking in. > > Grrrr > > --Andrew > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 4:39 PM, Glenn Stone wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 04:08:07PM -0800, Andrew Gray wrote: >>> I've got a PPC iBook G4 with a Broadcom 4306 wireless card. The >>> >>> At the newest kernel update, my wireless was gone. (I sure >>> learned my >> >>> install?!? I'm about ready to do a fresh install. Suggestions? >> >> OK, I learned this stunt with an rt61; it ought to work similarly. >> Find the >> firmware file (it's probably a .bin file; anything with a suspicious >> extension is probably your victim) in /lib/modules/ >> oldkernelversion. Drop >> it in place in /lib/modules/newkernelversion (BACK THE NEW ONE >> UP!). POWER >> CYCLE the box. Pray. >> >> That's my two bits' on a Friday afternoon looming on 5pm. And >> don't forget >> the rule about changing production on a Friday... tell me you don't >> depend >> on this box for email. Oy. That is fraught with peril if the kernel is even marginally different in just the wrong way. Unless you're running a kernel where there's a guaranteed stable ABI (read: an enterprise distro), I'd really stay away from that approach. -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From technoshaman at liawol.org Sat Jan 24 08:28:11 2009 From: technoshaman at liawol.org (Glenn Stone) Date: Sat Jan 24 08:24:11 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Last Resort... Broadcom firmware mixup In-Reply-To: References: <8C75C27F-5600-4521-8DE3-203B1D903E8C@gmail.com> <20090124003912.GG5126@liawol.org> Message-ID: <20090124162811.GI5126@liawol.org> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 08:46:48PM -0500, Jarod Wilson wrote: > Another (saner) idea: > > Look at dmesg. See what sort of messages you can see around the time the > b43 driver tries to load. If I'm remembering correctly, recent kernels > changed the location they're looking for the firmware files in, so you > should see a message about failing to load firmware file / > lib/firmware/b43/ucode5.fw. If you see that, I betcha your firmware > files are directly in /lib/firmware, so all you should have to do to get > things working again is create /lib/firmware/b43/ and move appropriate > firmware file(s) in there. Point. I actually discovered which firmware the rt61 was looking for this way (i.e. rtflf), but forgot about that... -- Glenn From dereks at realloc.net Mon Jan 26 11:18:00 2009 From: dereks at realloc.net (Derek Simkowiak) Date: Mon Jan 26 11:14:04 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901142148x77a5fd2fp569c1d910a85bc4@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> Paul B: >> In greece, and >> probably elsewhere in the world, I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL for less >> than $30 a month. (20 euros). Just catching up on some old mail here, but had to throw in my $0.02 (EUR0.01): Paul B> /When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people./ Agreed 100%. Thanks to a neutered FCC, the U.S. telecoms have spent the last few years merging together. AT&T, after multiple mergers (Cingular, BellSouth, SBC, etc.), is now almost as big as it was in the Ma Bell days. Because of conglomeration, phone service is more expensive (as was predicted in 2004 by The Phoenix Center). The consumer price for SMS text messaging has doubled in the last three years. Another example: the number of major media companies in the US has gone from 50 in 1983 to about 6 today (with some fuzziness, depending on your definitions of "major" and "media"). That says something about why ~40% of Americans still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11. Comcast's Terms Of Service are horrible. So are Verizon's. Comcast recently (arbitrarily) blocked a port on me. I'd love to have more competition for net access. RijilV> And fwiw I'd sign up for govt run health care :) So would I, but that's because a greater risk pool means lower costs. (Some things, like schools, roads, police, and defense, belong in the commonwealth.) --Derek Paul Bartell wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:48 PM, RijilV wrote: > >> 2009/1/14 Paul Bartell >> >>> Eh. Well.. .Verizon is no angel company either. Frankly, i think >>> blocking inbound port 80 traffic is a crime, even if its not a >>> business plan. Bascially, they are all evil. Speakeasy might be more >>> expensive (IS more expensive) but well worth it. >>> >> Yeah, I use speakeasy. Normal ADSL interleave issues (eg: high ping times), >> I think it costs too much, but eh, they don't filter and I know alot of cool >> guys working there. >> >> >> > agreed. For seattle at least, they are pretty much the best choice. > > >>> Frankly, im saddened that ADSL2 hasent caught on. We dont need fiber >>> networks yet, and upgrading to fiber is an un needed cost. I cant see >>> people needing more than 24mbps (downstreme), at least in the next 7 >>> years. (after that all bets are off and the internet will probably be >>> so congested it will be unusable.) >>> >> Is that kinda like the "640k is enough" story :) ? Seriously though, >> doesn't MPEG2 @ 1080P have a max bit rate of 40mbps? >> >> > Right... I knew that would come up. But i can't see how even FiOS > could handle that reliably (we all know how wonderful verizon is in > fufilling their contracts. > > >>> I think this thread attests to the US' telecom problem. In greece, and >>> probably elsewhere in the world, I can get 20mbit/1mbit ADSL for less >>> than $30 a month. (20 euros). There are so many ISPs to choose from >>> that there is actually competition. This contrasts to a few years ago >>> when DSL was limited to being provided only by the state owned telecom >>> (which is no longer state owned), and in which speeds were much lower. >>> When competition exists, the people simply do better, but when >>> companies have monopolies, it simply hurts the people. >>> >> Eh, we don't have many if any ISPs that give customers NAT'ed addresses. I >> don't have numbers handy, but I know in various contries they do.. And fwiw >> I'd sign up for govt run health care :) >> >> > err actually.. .They are Dynamic, but not NATed. > > loosely translated from http://www.hol.gr/default.asp?pID=23&ct=6&itmID=51&la=1 > > under addons > > Static IP. > > So really, they offer more than ISPs here would offer. > > It still baffles me that this can be possible. > > >> Cheers! >> >> .r' >> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090126/b517f214/attachment.html From cdine at cdine.org Mon Jan 26 15:05:50 2009 From: cdine at cdine.org (Ian Gallagher) Date: Mon Jan 26 15:01:50 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <4b5c15340901151045y727e0b62pe0d8f794a7b029d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090115040918.288E27DF@drowsy.ifokr.org> <496EBEBA.2040500@drizzle.com> <200901142228.22323.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4b5c15340901151045y727e0b62pe0d8f794a7b029d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4b5c15340901261505u2fc9c7e9x6674c5a41142f726@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, accidentaly didn't include the list in this response (included below) http://zipcon.net/dsl.html Janky website, good, hacker friendly service. Static IP's for cheap, no filtering, doesn't care that you run servers/p2p, local & small. I don't have them as I'm friends with someone who runs an ISP and have a line through them, but I have several friends with Zipcon in Seattlle & Olympia and they're quite happy with him (Dan is the owner of the company) He also breaks down the cost of the line (qest/verizon) vs his service, so that's useful for checking the competitors price, if nothing else. Happy hunting! -Ian > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:28, Jack T Mudge III > wrote: >> On Wednesday 14 January 2009 08:42:34 pm Vernon Van Steenkist wrote: >> >>> When you say Qwest as an ISP I am not sure what you mean. You can use >>> Qwest as your DSL provider and use someone else as an ISP. For example, >>> I use Qwest as my DSL provider and Drizzle (www.drizzle.com) as my ISP. >>> I have been pretty happy with Drizzle and you can get a fixed IP for $5 >>> a month. I have not had any issues with Drizzle and Linux or running >>> servers. Pricing appears to be at >>> http://www.drizzle.com/internet_access_res.php >> >> Just qwest :) Maybe "DSL provider" would be a better term, but as far as I can >> tell, I get every internet service I use at home from Qwest. Called them up >> when we got sick of comcast, and that's about the end of that story. >> >> (by the way, I can log onto qwest.net and request a fixed IP for about $5 a >> month as well. I don't think qwest with MSN does that; I specifically >> requested quest with qwest.net, which worked out quite a bit better) >> >>> From a political standpoint, I like to support Qwest verses Verizon and >>> others since Qwest was the only phone company to not provide user >>> information and wiretapping to the Bush Administration (Qwest ask them >>> where is your warrant and never heard from them again). >> >> That I didn't know. Not sure how I missed it. Thanks for the update! >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> Jack Mudge >> jakykong@theanythingbox.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Gslug-general mailing list >> Gslug-general@gslug.org >> http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general >> > From jakykong at theanythingbox.com Mon Jan 26 13:39:53 2009 From: jakykong at theanythingbox.com (Jack T Mudge III) Date: Mon Jan 26 17:34:38 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> Message-ID: <200901261339.53394.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> On Monday 26 January 2009 11:18:00 am Derek Simkowiak wrote: > ? ? Comcast's Terms Of Service are horrible. ?So are Verizon's. ?Comcast > recently (arbitrarily) blocked a port on me. ?I'd love to have more > competition for net access. That's exactly the reason we left comcast a few years back. Qwest may have its share of problems, but blocking ports isn't one of them. (Actually, comcast blocked port 25 when we left. That was a straw that broke several camels' backs. I don't know if they're still blocking that port, but I can't imagine the massive number of calls about e-mail helped them any.) -- Sincerely, Jack Mudge jakykong@theanythingbox.com From jnicol at bluegecko.net Mon Jan 26 17:46:59 2009 From: jnicol at bluegecko.net (Jonathan Nicol) Date: Mon Jan 26 17:43:12 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ISPs In-Reply-To: <200901261339.53394.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> <200901261339.53394.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> Message-ID: <15B64E5D-8E2A-4C0F-91C3-F75BB510163D@bluegecko.net> FWIW, Comcast only blocked my port 25 after a windoze box on the LAN got a worm and started spamming (and I'm glad they did). Give them a call and promise it's fixed, and they'll unblock it. Jonathan On Jan 26, 2009, at 1:39 PM, Jack T Mudge III wrote: > On Monday 26 January 2009 11:18:00 am Derek Simkowiak wrote: >> Comcast's Terms Of Service are horrible. So are Verizon's. >> Comcast >> recently (arbitrarily) blocked a port on me. I'd love to have more >> competition for net access. > > That's exactly the reason we left comcast a few years back. Qwest > may have its > share of problems, but blocking ports isn't one of them. (Actually, > comcast > blocked port 25 when we left. That was a straw that broke several > camels' > backs. I don't know if they're still blocking that port, but I can't > imagine > the massive number of calls about e-mail helped them any.) > > -- > Sincerely, > Jack Mudge > jakykong@theanythingbox.com > _______________________________________________ > Gslug-general mailing list > Gslug-general@gslug.org > http://lists.gslug.org/mailman/listinfo/gslug-general From jarod at wilsonet.com Tue Jan 27 18:35:57 2009 From: jarod at wilsonet.com (Jarod Wilson) Date: Tue Jan 27 18:32:03 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] ubuntu kernel In-Reply-To: <2625b9520901172141x1a905c9p46111a604fb9ffcf@mail.gmail.com> References: <2625b9520812261511h42c0465aw7fd45516ca05d4b6@mail.gmail.com> <1230334369.3575.75.camel@icarus.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812271100k3f8236d0n82d64885a967264c@mail.gmail.com> <1230500679.3781.4.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520812281943u4e32bce9ja35d75d53c917a2d@mail.gmail.com> <1230532048.6027.18.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> <2625b9520901171919n40dbff46m3132194ad12aa1@mail.gmail.com> <548C708D-B23E-4D9D-A1DD-C61D450E2688@wilsonet.com> <2625b9520901172057p1806b24ek8b363444e2f733ff@mail.gmail.com> <2625b9520901172141x1a905c9p46111a604fb9ffcf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1233110157.4009.19.camel@xavier.wilsonet.com> Sorry for the delay, been pre-occupied... On Sat, 2009-01-17 at 21:41 -0800, Thushara Wijeratna wrote: > i may have figured this out - there was only a single place that > called that function and the caller had the right struct, so i passed > that in. > but the dkms build overwrites the file, so i ran the cmd manually: > > make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686 > -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686/build > M=/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build > > i may have hit another bug : http://madwifi-project.org/ticket/1434 > > here is the compiler output: > > [thushara@gini-sisila build]$ sudo make > KERNELRELEASE=2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686 > -C /lib/modules/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686/build > M=/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build > make: Entering directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686' > CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/ioctl.o > CC [M] /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.o > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c: In function > 'acx_l_rxmonitor': > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:2429: error: 'struct > sk_buff' has no member named 'mac' > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6620:14: error: macro > "INIT_WORK" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2 > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c: In function > 'acx_init_task_scheduler': > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: 'INIT_WORK' > undeclared (first use in this function) > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: (Each > undeclared identifier is reported only once > /var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.c:6619: error: for each > function it appears in.) > make[1]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build/common.o] Error 1 > make: *** [_module_/var/lib/dkms/tiacx/0.4.7-3/build] Error 2 > make: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kernels/2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686' > > should i grab the kernel/include/linux/skbuff.h from the trunk as > suggested, or is there an easier fix for this? Sorry, not a clue on this one offhand. Mixing and matching headers sounds like a path destined for pain and suffering though. This right here is a lesson in why out-of-tree drivers generally suck. :) -- Jarod Wilson jarod@wilsonet.com From pencil_pusher at hotmail.com Sat Jan 31 01:08:25 2009 From: pencil_pusher at hotmail.com (David Hamilton) Date: Sat Jan 31 01:09:26 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Asus Eee 10" xp, 1gb, 160gb hd, 802.11 b/g/n, bluetooth, ~5hr battery $349 In-Reply-To: <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <496E5A40.3000006@nasen.org> <200901141428.20623.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <4FF6298B-1156-445D-9826-3CF58CE73D08@bluegecko.net> <2b5bab0f0901142013w2922e4v7c009735f5522e03@mail.gmail.com> <5068c6420901142148x77a5fd2fp569c1d910a85bc4@mail.gmail.com> <2b5bab0f0901142234h34bf0197s1a56dc8e9ca49f87@mail.gmail.com> <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> Message-ID: It's over on ZipZoomFly http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10009714 It's more pink than red, but at that price is a killer deal. No tax, free ship. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live? Hotmail?:?more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.ifokr.org/pipermail/gslug-general/attachments/20090131/05cb414a/attachment.htm From konrad at tylerc.org Sat Jan 31 01:16:31 2009 From: konrad at tylerc.org (Conrad Meyer) Date: Sat Jan 31 02:08:41 2009 Subject: [Gslug-general] Asus Eee 10" xp, 1gb, 160gb hd, 802.11 b/g/n, bluetooth, ~5hr battery $349 In-Reply-To: References: <200901141251.21627.jakykong@theanythingbox.com> <497E0C68.6090907@realloc.net> Message-ID: <200901310116.31210.konrad@tylerc.org> On Saturday 31 January 2009 01:08:25 am David Hamilton wrote: > It's over on ZipZoomFly > http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10009714 > > It's more pink than red, but at that price is a killer deal. No tax, free > ship. Comes with Windows, so it should be about $50 cheaper. -- Conrad Meyer